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Post by tito on Nov 28, 2008 4:16:05 GMT -5
27. 11. 2008. Zamjenik ministra odbrane BiH Igor Crnadak potpisao je danas Sporazum o vojnom grantu izmeðu Vijeæa ministara BiH i vlade Republike Turske. Radi se o donaciji turske vlade od 400.000 USA dolara, namijenjenoj razvoju i modernizaciji Oružanih snaga BiH u skladu sa NATO-standardima. Istovremeno, pomoænik ministra za logistiku Ministarstva odbrane BiH mr.Trpimir Rebac potpisao je Logistièki implementacioni protokol, koji podrazumijeva implementaciju potpisanog Sporazuma u logistici.
Zamjenik ministra odbrane Igor Crnadak izrazio je zahvalnost za višegodišnju pomoæ Republike Turske i istakao da æe pomoæ vlade Republike Turske "znaèajno doprinijeti dostizanju viših standarda Oružanih snaga BiH i za napredovanje ka NATO-u".
"Ova donacija potvrðuje jaèanje vojne i tehnièke saradnje i dugogodišnje prijateljske odnose Bosne i Hercegovine i Republike Turske, koji se temelje na Okvirnom sporazumu o saradnji u oblasti vojne obuke, tehnike i nauke koji je potpisan izmeðu Vijeæa ministara BiH i vlade Republike Turske u februaru 2007. godine".
Potpisivanju Sporazuma prisustvovao je turski vojni ataše u BiH brigadir Fedai Unsal, saopšteno je iz Ureda za odnose sa javnošæu Ministarstva odbrane BiH.
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Post by MiG on Nov 28, 2008 4:23:01 GMT -5
400,000 will get you complete uniforms for a Division. It's still helpful though.
OSBiH and its respective branches have one hell of a long way to go until NATO integration and standard. A very LONG way.
Glad to see some steps are in the process.
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Post by tito on Nov 28, 2008 4:28:38 GMT -5
After joining the Partnership for Peace in 2006, Bosnia and Herzegovina signed an agreement on security cooperation in March 2007.[24] The nation began further cooperation with NATO within their Individual Partnership Action Plan in January 2008.[14] Bosnia then started the process of Intensified Dialogue at the 2008 Bucharest summit and expects to join NATO between 2012 and 2015.[25] A joint announcement from the Defense Minister and NATO Mission Office in Sarajevo suggested that Bosnia and Herzegovina could join NATO by 2011 if it continues with the reforms made in the defense-area so far. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO#cite_note-24
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Post by MiG on Nov 28, 2008 4:34:26 GMT -5
^ I was talking Military Equipment-wise. Relax man, you take everything so seriously. Can you, yourself, give me a list of at least 10 military vehicles that OSBiH uses that is currently up to "NATO Standard"? Thanks, 'preciate it.
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Post by tito on Nov 28, 2008 4:38:13 GMT -5
^ Your just upset because BiH is getting stronger
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Post by markosijekira on Nov 28, 2008 6:20:19 GMT -5
What I see in that pic are bunch of donated MARPAT uniforms and soldiers holding old JNA SKS rifles. Getting new equipment is one thing, having the logistic structure in place to maintain and support is another. for every fighting soldier there is 3 soldiers in logistics.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 28, 2008 7:08:06 GMT -5
Guns, guns, guns. markosijekira, your type only in America. I'll never understand it.
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Post by bog on Nov 28, 2008 7:33:36 GMT -5
What I see in that pic are bunch of donated MARPAT uniforms and soldiers holding old JNA SKS rifles. Getting new equipment is one thing, having the logistic structure in place to maintain and support is another. for every fighting soldier there is 3 soldiers in logistics. LoL, what army had a 3:1 ratio front-logistics anyways, does the OSBiH make use of the M16A1, or am I totally wrongly informed?
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Post by whateva on Nov 28, 2008 9:25:29 GMT -5
You are right, they do use the M16A1 which is absolutely atrocious. It is a Vietnam era rifle with all kinds of problems. Only good thing about it is the light weight. Good thing they have thousands of Ak47 in reserve.
Regarding NATO standard and vehicles that are up to it the MBT of OSBiH is the M60A3 which is still the MBT of Turkish armed forces and it's as good if not better than anything that any former Yugoslav state can field. Don't come with stories about "Degman" and similar projects that will never see the light of day because of technical and financial dificulties in Croatia. If Croatia gets some of old Leo 2A4's from Germany then a Balkan country other than Greece will be able to claim that they have a better tank than Bosnia. M60A3 is equiped with a 105mm rifled gun also found on original M1 Abrams tank. Don't let the caliber of it fool you. In first Gulf war the Marine units equipped with the M60A3 could engage Iraqi T-72 tanks 1.5km out of range of the T-72 and successfully destroy them. Another thing, those M60A3 tanks could be easily upgraded to Sabra specifications for a very low price.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Nov 28, 2008 10:56:24 GMT -5
Why dont they just buy som Kalashnikovs? Cheap, relaible, good weapons...
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Nov 28, 2008 10:59:32 GMT -5
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Post by whateva on Nov 28, 2008 11:28:24 GMT -5
In short there is no need to buy them because there are so many of them in the country. Only reason we are using those M16 rifles is because Americans unloaded them on us so we can work with weapons similar to the ones US and its NATO allies are using (it uses the NATO standard 5.56x45mm rounds) The drawback is that it doesn't have the range nor stopping power of the 7.62 round but soldiers can carry almost twice as much of 5.56 ammo compared to the 7.62 round.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Nov 28, 2008 12:03:52 GMT -5
aah ok But its strange that people are arguing about weapons and how they look... I mean it isnt a car show its just a weapon, and the important thing is how it preforms...
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Post by bog on Nov 28, 2008 15:13:49 GMT -5
You are right, they do use the M16A1 which is absolutely atrocious. It is a Vietnam era rifle with all kinds of problems. Only good thing about it is the light weight. Good thing they have thousands of Ak47 in reserve. Regarding NATO standard and vehicles that are up to it the MBT of OSBiH is the M60A3 which is still the MBT of Turkish armed forces and it's as good if not better than anything that any former Yugoslav state can field. Don't come with stories about "Degman" and similar projects that will never see the light of day because of technical and financial dificulties in Croatia. If Croatia gets some of old Leo 2A4's from Germany then a Balkan country other than Greece will be able to claim that they have a better tank than Bosnia. M60A3 is equiped with a 105mm rifled gun also found on original M1 Abrams tank. Don't let the caliber of it fool you. In first Gulf war the Marine units equipped with the M60A3 could engage Iraqi T-72 tanks 1.5km out of range of the T-72 and successfully destroy them. Another thing, those M60A3 tanks could be easily upgraded to Sabra specifications for a very low price. I don't know, if it was a later M16 then okey, but the A1, thats the one that jams al the time, and was the first in Vietnam. We should have kept the Zastavas we had. But then again, as you say these weapons were just dumped on us. But at least you have some type of accuracy, unlike the AK-47s, who are a bitch to control...
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 28, 2008 15:21:30 GMT -5
Are you really from the Balkans? Lol, I shot my first gun at the age of seven at a shooting range... I think it was a .45, its all a blur at this point though
Yea, the losses were never even reported until recently either. So many soldiers reported stories of friends dying simply because their gun jammed in the heat of the moment. The weapon took years to finally get right.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 29, 2008 15:33:37 GMT -5
FVuck Guns. Seriously. Go find another hobby loosers.
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Post by bog on Nov 29, 2008 19:32:46 GMT -5
FVuck Guns. Seriously. Go find another hobby loosers. I can collect souvenir's from you small Serb shop what do you sell?
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Post by tito on Dec 1, 2008 14:38:48 GMT -5
Govor predsjedavajuæeg Predsjedništva BiH Nebojše Radmanoviæa na sveèanosti obilježavanja Prvog decembra, Dana Oružanih snaga BiH 1.12.2008 Vaše ekselencije, gospodo generali, oficiri, podoficiri, vojnici, dame i gospodo! Posebno mi je zadovoljstvo da Vam se, u ime Predsjedništva BiH, kao civilne komande Oružanih snaga, mogu obratiti na treæu godišnjicu uspostave Dana Oružanih snaga BiH.
Obilježavanje Prvog decembra, Dana Oružanih snaga, naše je zajednièko podsjeæanje na doprinos mnogih ljudi koji su uložili puno energije, truda, znanja i struènosti u procesu uspostavljanja Oružanih snaga BiH.
I danas, kada treæi put sveèano obilježavamo Dan Oružanih snaga, trebamo se prisjetiti svih teškoæa i prepreka koje smo morali savladati na našem putu, da bismo došli do zajednièke organizacije Oružanih snaga BiH, ali i odati priznanje svima onima koji su zaslužni što smo na kraju uspjeli u tome.
Možda su tri godine kratko vrijeme da shvatimo važnost i znaèaj ovog poduhvata. Tek æe vrijeme ispred nas pokazati koliko je formiranje Oružanih snaga bio znaèajan reformski korak za BiH, za mir, stabilnost, povjerenje i ravnopravnost tri konstitutivna naroda.
Zašto smo uspjeli ostvariti planirane reforme u oblasti odbrane i sigurnosnog sektora, te efikasno uspostaviti Oružane snage BiH?
Zato što smo radili strpljivo, predano, korak po korak, razvijajuæi meðusobno povjerenje, poštujuæi ravnopravnost tri konstitutivna naroda, kao vodeæi princip naših odnosa, kao i zato što smo konsultovali mišljenja i prijedloge struke i nauke iz ove oblasti i imali savjetodavnu pomoæ meðunarodne zajednice.
U Bosni i Hercegovini smo postigli širok konsenzus za pristupanje u Evropsku uniju i NATO savez, što je respektabilan politièki stav, s obzirom da o mnogim pitanjima u zemlji imamo razlièita mišljenja. Bosna i Hercegovina je do sada imala mnoge reforme i promjene u raznim oblastima politièkog, ekonomskog i uopæe društvenog života. Meðutim, reforma Oružanih snaga je primjer uspješne reforme u jednom postkonfliktnom društvu koja nam daje za pravo da vjerujemo da æe se ona nastaviti i u buduænosti istim, ili još snažnijim tempom. Ova reforma je primjer i za druge oblasti, ako želimo uspjeti u provoðenju potrebnih reformi i promjena na našem putu u evroatlantske integracije. Kako se radilo o veoma složenom, postupnom i izbalansiranom procesu reformi, za njihov uspjeh bile su potrebne vizija, odluènost i strpljenje svih uèesnika.
Dame i gospodo!
Obilježavajuæi 1. decembar, ne smijemo zaboraviti da su nekada samostalne komponente, a sada jedinstvene Oružane snage BiH, dale ogroman doprinos implementaciji Daytonskog mirovnog sporazuma, razvijanju povjerenja i saradnje meðu stranama u sukobu i izgradnji trajnog i održivog mira na prostoru BiH.
U okviru opæih aktivnosti približavanja BiH Evropskoj uniji i drugim evroatlantskim integracijama, ove godine uspostavljen je „Intenzivni dijalog“ sa NATO savezom, èime smo uèinili još jedan važan korak na putu do konaènog èlanstva u ovoj organizaciji.
Nakon pristupanja NATO programu „Partnerstvo za mir“, to je nova stepenica napredovanja naših Oružanih snaga, koja æe u buduænosti zahtijevati nove obaveze i dostizanje i ostalih standarda koje traži punopravno èlanstvo u NATO savezu.
Oružane snage BiH, u okviru svojih moguænosti, daju potreban doprinos kolektivnoj sigurnosti u svijetu kroz angažovanje u zajednièkim aktivnostima osiguranja mira u kriznim podruèjima.
Prije nekoliko dana Predsjedništvo BiH je usvojilo Odbrambenu politiku, dokument koji zajedno sa Sigurnosnom politikom i Opæim pravcima i prioritetima za provoðenje vanjske politike BiH predstavlja dugoroèni, opæi, strateški i konceptualni okvir politièkog djelovanja zemlje.
Takoðer, Predsjedništvo BiH je na posljednjoj sjednici imenovalo tri oficira za vezu u Misiji BiH pri NATO-u u Bruxellesu, što æe našu komunikaciju sa evroatlantskim sigurnosnim strukturama uèiniti efikasnijom i kvalitetnijom.
Na kraju, sreæan Vam Dan Oružanih snaga i puno uspjeha u buduæem radu.
Hvala Vam.
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Post by MiG on Dec 1, 2008 14:42:26 GMT -5
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Post by tito on Jun 11, 2009 12:39:06 GMT -5
11.06.2009. Naèelnik Generalštaba Oružanih snaga Turske Ilker Basbuk istakao je da su Oružane snage /OS/ BiH dostigle nivo u kojem na kvalitetan naèin mogu zaštiti zemlju i njene graðane.
Naèelnik Zajednièkog štaba Oružanih snaga BiH Miladin Milojèiæ prezentovao je danas u Sarajevu delegaciji Generalštaba Oružanih snaga Turske dostignuti nivo reforme odbrambenog sistema i oružanih snaga BiH.
"Nakon današnje posjete uvjeren sam da je veliki dio patnje koji je pogodio ovu zemlju u proteklom periodu ostao u prošlosti, i odlazim iz BiH sa velikom nadom u buduænost ove zemlje", rekao je Basbuk novinarima nakon posjete turske delegacije Ministarstvu odbrane i Zajednièkom štabu Oružanim snagama BiH.
On je istakao da Oružane snage Turske podržavaju integraciju BiH u NATO, te da su spremne za dalju podršku i pomoæ zbog stalnog mira na ovom prostoru, koja može ukljuèivati i školovanje vojnih kadrova, logistike i drugih detalja.
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