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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 25, 2009 20:06:48 GMT -5
"Novi Ruse doesnt need to teach you anthing, if you are indeed Torlakians you by definition know simple Bulgarian . You know it Novi (thats considering that you know Torlakian,etc. which you claimed you didnt know.) In case you do not know Torlakian: just learn it and you ll be fruent in Bulgarian." C'mon boys teach me Hasli Bulgar, l feel like a Turkic now. Torlakian is old serbian, everybody knows that, its part of the linguistic west like sop ;D
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Post by ioan on Sept 25, 2009 22:46:56 GMT -5
C'mon boys teach me Hasli Bulgar, We dont know what that is. I think you are refering with this deragatory term to the simple Bulgarian that you speak (IF YOU KNOW TORLAKIAN AT ALL). then start learning turkish, azarbaiganic and move there. your new nationality would be as fake as your present. Everyone? Are you sure? Even the Torlakians themselves were refering to their language as simple Bulgarian. So even your grandpas though they were speaking Bulgarian, I ll not mention all the REAL linguists that classify it as Bulgarian. Keep on living in your dream world Novi.
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Post by rusebg on Sept 26, 2009 2:42:24 GMT -5
That's tough, considering you have huge problems with the language of your parents.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Sept 26, 2009 11:06:07 GMT -5
Torlakian is old serbian, everybody knows that, its part of the linguistic west like sop ;D In albanian Torlakian means are Budalla (Dumb) People. Torolak+ian Torolak=Budalla ian=are
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Post by rusebg on Sept 26, 2009 18:06:20 GMT -5
So Novi is Budala Asthmatic. Cool.
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Post by spilios on Sept 26, 2009 18:32:01 GMT -5
Milan get lost hang out on the Serb forum u troll!!!!!!!!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 27, 2009 10:13:09 GMT -5
"We dont know what that is. I think you are refering with this deragatory term to the simple Bulgarian that you speak (IF YOU KNOW TORLAKIAN AT ALL)."
Why is it derogatory?, Hasli Bulgar (Gagauz) is a Turkic they are your blood people. I speak original serbian and modern serbian, but you embarressingly don't know your Turkic language.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Sept 27, 2009 12:06:07 GMT -5
that has something to do with turkish. In albanian Turkish means people with strong ass that take life straight and seriously. Tur+kish (Gun Ass) Tur=ass kish=have Don't mess with Turkey and Turkish they gonna get you.
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Post by ioan on Sept 27, 2009 12:41:47 GMT -5
Why is it derogatory?, Hasli Bulgar (Gagauz) is a Turkic they are your blood people. Its not proven Bulgars were Turkic but if they were, you partly desend from them too, as all Bulgarians, so congratulations, simple BUlgarian . aha so you ve been assimilated to the serbs and you speak no simple Bulgarian? Bulgarian was never Turkic as you should ve known from your grandpas.
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Post by Digenis on Sept 27, 2009 13:47:21 GMT -5
So after The etimologi of the word Thessaloniki lets see where the problem is. The slavoBulgras of Fyrom how want to call them self Makedon can't even pronounce the name of the city where the Makedon of Alexander built and give the name Θεσσαλονικη-Thessaloniki. I am wondering if they are so stupid the can't see this easy examble . Can someone explaine me Its IQ problem??? or not??
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Sept 27, 2009 14:27:23 GMT -5
So after The etimologi of the word Thessaloniki lets see where the problem is. The slavoBulgras of Fyrom how want to call them self Makedon can't even pronounce the name of the city where the Makedon of Alexander built and give the name Θεσσαλονικη-Thessaloniki. I am wondering if they are so stupid the can't see this easy examble . Can someone explaine me Its IQ problem??? or not?? I think that you are mistaken people from FYROM and serbia as well CAN pronounce Thessaloniki. The thing is that we (all south Slavs) call it Solun which is much shorter and simplier. I will give one exaple, we Serbians call Italian city Trieste - Trst not because we can not pronounce Trieste but because it is the way we call it. for many cities that have any conection with our history we have our own name for it. Another example can be city in Hungary called Pecs, it is not problem for us (Serbians) to call it as it is but we have our own name for it and it is Pecuj, Croatians call it Pecuh.Same way Greeks call Thessaloniki Salonika because it is shorter and more simple/easy to say.
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Post by gavrilo on Sept 27, 2009 15:13:18 GMT -5
smiles get off my meat i know its you
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Post by Digenis on Sept 27, 2009 15:31:31 GMT -5
So, with a one word rename !!! ok? They want to call them self makedon but they raname the, bigest city of the ancient makedon. If the Fyrom ppl was makedon they sould pronaounce it withoute any rename . They can not even understand the meaning of the name Ancient makedon gave to the city . For the Ancient makedon wasn't hard to pronounce ,this was their language, thats why they gave the name of their city Thessaloniki. 100% an name of Greek languge modern or ancient. Lets me continue. I continue to say the Fyromanians, say that they are makedon from the ancient makedon but they hardly cann;t pronounce or understnd the name of the city founded by ancient makedon-Thessaloniki . And the question continues , Have they(fyrom ppl) low IQ to believe that their forefathers was the ancient or the middel age makedon And a last . The greek Makedon ,the real makedon how can undestand the langugage of ancient makedon and everything the ancient makedon ppl left as ,like our president Karamanlis from Serres should be unger with the modern slavs of fyrom How try to steal their ancestors!!! The rushers south slavs of Fyrom can't have a name or history or clam to forefahters, where belongs to an other enthic ppl ,with the reason they haven't their own and leave in a part of their ancient teritory. Makedon suffer from the slavic invaison , killed by slavs fougnt the slavs ,now slavs what their identity??? Its the same like we say . Turks wants to have the name Greeks because they live in modern anatolia where before some years and ancient times half anatolia was leaving the Greeks . Its just Gelio .
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Post by Digenis on Sept 27, 2009 15:51:28 GMT -5
I forgot,my city is Thessaloniki . I am leaving here . And of course its a super beautiful city . The most beautiful city in Greece .
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Sept 27, 2009 17:50:33 GMT -5
Digenis you do not get it. I will try to explain it to you again (Πρέπει να σύ εξηγήσω την ελληνική γλώσσα?).
Same way Greeks call Belgrade (Beograd on Serbian) Veligradi, not because you can not pronounce Mpeokgrant it is because you call it in your language like that and because of that I do not think that Greeks have low IQ. I think there is a certain dose of hatred inside of you towards Makedonians (FYROmians, Skopians..... call them as you like) and that is stopping you to understand it. Me personally do not have any problems with Makedonians nor Greeks (I speak both languages) but you have between each other. And both of the sides are almost equally guilty. The whole fight is started by both government and the simple people are those who "suffer".
How come Greeks did not have any problem in 1944 when Tito named Vardarian dukedom into Makedonia? Then none had complained about it and suddenly it is a problem? What happened for those 50 years when SR Makedonija was part of SFR Jugoslavija?
I think Makedonians (FYROMians, Skopians...) and Greeks have same common enemy (Albanians) and they should find a simple compromise about a simple name (let it be for example Northen Makedonia) and stop BSs it.
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 27, 2009 18:35:51 GMT -5
How come Greeks did not have any problem in 1944 when Tito named Vardarian dukedom into Makedonia? Then none had complained about it and suddenly it is a problem? What happened for those 50 years when SR Makedonija was part of SFR Jugoslavija? How do you know that we didn't and what are you basing all this from ? We have met them half way, for the sake of peace and prosperity in the region we allowed them to have some usage to the name "Macedonia" and that is it " there is a red line". We can't do any more for them I am afraid. My friend it is their problem now a problem they allowed to fester while spewing their venom on to the very country that could help them, rather then building a friendly relationship with the Greeks and her surrounding neighbors they build fences sitting there cursing us all, even recognizing Kosava. They are getting what is coming for them unfortunately by their own doing. .
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Post by spilios on Sept 27, 2009 20:02:29 GMT -5
smiles get off my meat i know its you OXI!!!!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 27, 2009 22:17:02 GMT -5
"How come Greeks did not have any problem in 1944 when Tito named Vardarian dukedom into Makedonia? Then none had complained about it and suddenly it is a problem? What happened for those 50 years when SR Makedonija was part of SFR Jugoslavija?"
Sh Shonic, l think honesty that the Greeks underestimated the whole situation regarding the Yugoslavia vardaria. They probably thought, since it was a communist country, the region of vardaria would pose no threat and would be locked away into that country. It became a threat when vardaria obtained its nationhood in 1992 and the inhabitants became super nationalistic and territorially ambitious toward ancient Greek Macedonia. Eventhou we all may believe this isn't so serious, l believe it is, the Balkans is a volatile region and something seen as not so serious can be deadly in the long term.
If a name compromise is reached and the nation is to call itself nothern macedonia, what would stop them from continuing to claim Alexander and northern greece?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 27, 2009 22:19:10 GMT -5
Torlakian (old serbian) is classified as second shtokavian dialect.
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Post by Digenis on Sept 28, 2009 4:22:40 GMT -5
Sh1 Shonić I understand the thnings you say . And i continue !!!!
Beograd for the Greek pronounced Belgrade, because as a city name of serbian slavic language can't be pronounced by others like Greeks exactly the same.
if i was saying that i am serbias, should i pronounce the city name as serbians call it ,without any hard ???beogrand and not Belgrade???
make the same examble for the fyroms ppl and Thessaloniki .
As for the the 1944 tito and previous slavs gave many many many names to this part of yugo. Many many times Greece complaine (konstantine karamanlis) to Tito. But thoes times was not exist any real problem.
Slavs leaving in south yugo.geograficaly in a small north part of ancient Makedonian wasn't any problem. They had the Big name SLAVS. And that is what they are a Kind of slavs closer to Bulgras leave in a small north part of ancient Makedonia .They are not makedon.
As of the diferences between slavs.. Popof or Popofski or Popovic. the same slavic Popo is .
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