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Post by Patrinos on Dec 15, 2010 13:50:01 GMT -5
these little commies in 2:00 must be dangerous...
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Post by eaglesson on Dec 15, 2010 15:40:05 GMT -5
Did the minister of transport survived??? xD he took some bad hits xD.
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 15, 2010 17:16:05 GMT -5
(ex minister)
lol...poor fragile man...:
well, actually he wasn't that bad. other ministers were much worse in managing public money and organization. next target must be : Papantoniou, Papathanasiou, Tsohatzopoulos, Alogoskoufis, Pangalos, Simitis, Karamanlis, Rousopoulos. after them arranged... i'll post a new list...
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 15, 2010 17:53:21 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Dec 15, 2010 18:00:20 GMT -5
back to the drachma and own sovereignty
just what Rexxy been saying all along from the get go
resign from the Euro and get the tourists back ...
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 15, 2010 22:15:20 GMT -5
They won't let us.... every time we try they pull us back in...I hope we do so this will start the ball rolling for Italy,Spain,Portugal and Ireland.....
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Post by drinus123 on Dec 15, 2010 23:23:58 GMT -5
clearly a rift between peripheries vs. core countries. especially between spain vs. france+germany. greek companies are doing well and turning a profit in albania. latest example medical company hygeia hospital in tirana. antea cement(subsidiary of titan group) near durres. they have plan for expansion into other cities.
not all is doom and gloom.
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Post by donnie on Dec 16, 2010 2:39:01 GMT -5
"back into the real world, and not having it flying around in some cereal world"
Haha, got to love the Danish accent.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 16, 2010 4:10:03 GMT -5
the secret plan of strange powers to destroy greece and bring instability was planned. anarchy in greece may affect the stability of the region. the balkans are becoming, in effect, a quasi-protectorate of the usa and the west now.
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 16, 2010 5:34:58 GMT -5
Every Greek is in a dillema. We know that the party is over. Many many lose their benefits, by rule those who work as civil servants, and every reasonable person knew that we couldn't continue with this situation..
The workers in public transfers are one of the targets of the government/Troika, and this is one of the cases where all Greeks are with the latter... amazing things happens(happened...) in this sector, eg: guys who work as "kleidouchoi"(key-holders) in the Trains , which is siting 8 hours in a chair and stand up every 3 hours and switch of/on some railways... they take 2,800 monthly!! with zero education...and minimum qualifications.
In the same time a young who just finished university, have one-two languages with certificates, computers certificate, various seminars, etc gets only 900-1000 euros in the first years of work in private sector, living with the insecurity since his job isn't guaranteed.
BUT, Germany's stance against the economies with debts and various problems is unacceptable. Germans are fed up with the idea that they give money to the rest of Europeans because they are good guys and are ...victims... It doesn't pass through their minds that they are extremely benefited by Greece's, Ireland's, Spain's, Italy's, Portugal's, Belgium's huge mismanagemnt of public debt and macroeconomics generally.
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Post by Kastorianos on Dec 16, 2010 6:04:47 GMT -5
The German government's stance is criticized a lot right now by almost all European governments...and also by the German opposition. The problem is that the German people is against any further help for countries like Greece...what they want is to get out of the Eurozone and to reintroduce the good old Deutsche Mark. The government is afraid of the voters...so they are trying to take a supposed "happy medium".
The problem is that there is no way back now...reintroducing the DM would probably lead to an extrem revaluation of this new currency which would lead again to a break in of the German exports.
The middle course of the Germany government is wrong in my opinion...what Europe needs right now are absolute courses....halfhearted actions wont rescue Europe.
And Greece....Greece will never be able to pay the debts back...this country is condemned to save for nothing...under a king or a Giorgos Papadopoulos this would never have happened.
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Post by atdhetari on Dec 16, 2010 6:37:45 GMT -5
what the govt bond yeild now? still in duble figures?
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 16, 2010 7:20:59 GMT -5
The German government's stance is criticized a lot right now by almost all European governments...and also by the German opposition. The problem is that the German people is against any further help for countries like Greece...what they want is to get out of the Eurozone and to reintroduce the good old Deutsche Mark. The government is afraid of the voters...so they are trying to take a supposed "happy medium". The problem is that there is no way back now...reintroducing the DM would probably lead to an extrem revaluation of this new currency which would lead again to a break in of the German exports. The middle course of the Germany government is wrong in my opinion...what Europe needs right now are absolute courses....halfhearted actions wont rescue Europe. And Greece....Greece will never be able to pay the debts back...this country is condemned to save for nothing...under a king or a Giorgos Papadopoulos this would never have happened. ;D
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 16, 2010 7:37:22 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 16, 2010 7:46:56 GMT -5
for those who don't know what the above means "We haven't eaten them(the money) together" its a response to the statement by Pankalos, vice president of the government, that "we ate them together"...looking at him...is it possible that anything left not eaten by him:
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 16, 2010 7:54:30 GMT -5
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Post by Kastorianos on Dec 16, 2010 8:19:00 GMT -5
O Pagkalos echei dikaio fisika, akouste kala ta logia tou...oso ki an den sas aresei....o enas perissotero o allos ligotero...pano kato ta chrimata mirastikan ston kosmo...den einai tichaio pou o Ellinas echei megaliteri periousia apo ton meso Europaio. Pou ta vrikate? Eiste toso douleutarades kai den to kserame?
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 16, 2010 8:51:04 GMT -5
O Pagkalos echei dikaio fisika, akouste kala ta logia tou...oso ki an den sas aresei....o enas perissotero o allos ligotero...pano kato ta chrimata mirastikan ston kosmo...den einai tichaio pou o Ellinas echei megaliteri periousia apo ton meso Europaio. Pou ta vrikate? Eiste toso douleutarades kai den to kserame? the majority of Greeks are not civil servants... so we couldn't have eaten them all together as this tunker claims... but its not totally false to say that we all have some benefit from that party...
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 16, 2010 9:02:53 GMT -5
One of my friends was working as a pilot for Olympic Air... he was a captain.His salary was 10 thousand Euros a month based on 14 months a year.... Then Olympic got sold ...there were two choices he had... take a pay cut to 4800 Euros a month or take 5000 Euros a month for 60 months and sit at home and do nothing... Thats what the Nea Dimokratia was offering all pilots then... then the ship sank... Now he is getting 3000 euros a month and it's rapidly diminishing and his pension is in peril..and he hasn't worked in 2 years... He should have taken the pay cut and kept on working... I can't believe a first Captain can sit on his ass and cry about the govt and do nothing.... I spoke to him bluntly... he has stopped sending emails... tough love...someone had to say something.
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 16, 2010 9:14:38 GMT -5
One of my friends was working as a pilot for Olympic Air... he was a captain.His salary was 10 thousand Euros a month based on 14 months a year.... Then Olympic got sold ...there were two choices he had... take a pay cut to 4800 Euros a month or take 5000 Euros a month for 60 months and sit at home and do nothing... Thats what the Nea Dimokratia was offering all pilots then... then the ship sank... Now he is getting 3000 euros a month and it's rapidly diminishing and his pension is in peril..and he hasn't worked in 2 years... He should have taken the pay cut and kept on working... I can't believe a first Captain can sit on his ass and cry about the govt and do nothing.... I spoke to him bluntly... he has stopped sending emails... tough love...someone had to say something. you know who was the minister who gave all these to Olympic airlines...: lol...read the comments... i think we are starting to wake up...
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