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Post by rusebg on Jun 21, 2009 9:41:15 GMT -5
Novi, will you give me the permission to live in a country, founded by Bulgars? Thank you for your generousity. ? A source for such a name?
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Post by ioan on Jun 21, 2009 10:44:35 GMT -5
Omg, Novi your lack of knowledge on Bulgarian history is astonishing. Do you know that the founder of Bulgaria was called Asparuch? And that Asparuch in Persian means White Rider? Except that no one denies that Bulgarian history is balkanic and slavic. Our state was created by the Bulgars but it is far from established what tribe they were.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2009 11:14:48 GMT -5
Of course that really suits a highly cultural Hellene. Oops I forget u were not Hellene and deffinately not cultural. You are disgrace for the Greek race. believe me i am the only true Greek around.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2009 11:15:56 GMT -5
You may hope to 'nauciti bolje' after your trip, no one is bothering you to 'ucis bolje' at the moment if you want to. You are not a fast learner, Pyrro, are you? maybe you work 09:00->19:00, have 2 kids to raise, a family to run and yet manage to learn 100 japanese words per day. I am not that smart.
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Post by ioan on Jun 21, 2009 11:26:39 GMT -5
Of course that really suits a highly cultural Hellene. Oops I forget u were not Hellene and deffinately not cultural. You are disgrace for the Greek race. believe me i am the only true Greek around. i find it very very hard to believe it. as far as I am concerned, you deffinately are not.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2009 13:31:14 GMT -5
believe me i am the only true Greek around. i find it very very hard to believe it. as far as I am concerned, you deffinately are not. but you are a hateful bulgarian hasnt even been to fyrom yet, and you dont know basic things about greece. Allow the experts (me) to know better.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 21, 2009 19:25:25 GMT -5
"Omg, Novi your lack of knowledge on Bulgarian history is astonishing. Do you know that the founder of Bulgaria was called Asparuch? And that Asparuch in Persian means White Rider? Except that no one denies that Bulgarian history is balkanic and slavic. Our state was created by the Bulgars but it is far from established what tribe they were."
So Okhsun isn't Bulgar name now, its iranic like Asparuch?.....I just want to rediscover my Altaic ancestry and l want to learn my lost Bulgar language....what am l doing speaking a slavic tongue, tell me Ioan, you enlighted wise man from the orient.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 21, 2009 19:59:09 GMT -5
" ? A source for such a name?" Alright Ruse (Tsog) your not happy with this name then he will be called: UTURGUR!......lmao
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Post by ioan on Jun 21, 2009 23:29:09 GMT -5
i find it very very hard to believe it. as far as I am concerned, you deffinately are not. but you are a hateful bulgarian hasnt even been to fyrom yet, and you dont know basic things about greece. Allow the experts (me) to know better. So what if I havent been to fyrom? I know much more about it than you, because Bulgarian history is connected to it. Hateful? The only hateful person I can think of on this boards is deffinately you. I know alot about Greece. If according to u someone have to have been in a place to know it: I m expert on Greece I ve been there countless times. By the way I ve never met Greeks like you: hateful, narrow-minded or hating Bulgarians. IT prooves once again you are not from the hellenic race.
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Post by ioan on Jun 21, 2009 23:35:20 GMT -5
"Omg, Novi your lack of knowledge on Bulgarian history is astonishing. Do you know that the founder of Bulgaria was called Asparuch? And that Asparuch in Persian means White Rider? Except that no one denies that Bulgarian history is balkanic and slavic. Our state was created by the Bulgars but it is far from established what tribe they were." So Okhsun isn't Bulgar name now, its iranic like Asparuch?.....I just want to rediscover my Altaic ancestry and l want to learn my lost Bulgar language....what am l doing speaking a slavic tongue, tell me Ioan, you enlighted wise man from the orient. First I am saying this for a millionth time: 1. Bulgarians do not equal BULGARS; 2. Bulgarians descedent from Bulgars, Slavs (from Bulgaria and fyrom) and Thracians; 3. The language of the BUlgarians is the language of those slavs who were most numerous compared to the Thracians and the Bulgars; 4. Most probably the Thracians were already slavicized by the Bulgarian slavs (Peonians in fyrom and Bessians, Moesians in Bulgaria); 5. So to be proper Bulgarian you have to speak slavic so you are on the right track: you just have to speak casefree-its a feature of the language of the Bulgarian slavs.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 21, 2009 23:35:51 GMT -5
^ Ioan (Uturgur), who taught you these pseudo histories, was it your mum and dad?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 22, 2009 0:07:18 GMT -5
but you are a hateful bulgarian hasnt even been to fyrom yet, and you dont know basic things about greece. Allow the experts (me) to know better. So what if I havent been to fyrom? I know much more about it than you, because Bulgarian history is connected to it. Hateful? The only hateful person I can think of on this boards is deffinately you. I know alot about Greece. If according to u someone have to have been in a place to know it: I m expert on Greece I ve been there countless times. By the way I ve never met Greeks like you: hateful, narrow-minded or hating Bulgarians. IT prooves once again you are not from the hellenic race. I am the only one here from the hellenic race (along with expat - chalkedon, who is equally muted if you noticed), like the majority of Pontians, Cretans, Minor Asians. Its only arvanites-vlahs ancient-greek wannabe's who cheer and shout for "ancient greece" , who form short-term alliances with any scum in the balkans in order to retain or enhance their position. They want a backwards Greece, so that the bright GREEK minds dont take their positions, its the kind of guys who will start speaking english even with no apparent reason, the guys who will not lift a finger to do smth VALUABLE for their country. Well i am certainly NOT such a .... greek (if they can be called like that). Stop wasting your time, speaking of things you dont know, just because i found quite provocative the way you started presenting your FYROM positions.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 22, 2009 0:13:33 GMT -5
My dear bulgarians, please let me ask you this: You claim that: "When Bulgars arrived they found slavs from the Bulgarian group in both places." (meaning bulgaria-fyrom) That means that either - Bulgar turks (or whatever they were) grouped a team of slavs, named them "Bulgarians" and then sent them to the balkans 100+ years before their arrival or - A group of Slavs, predicting the future, named themselves "Bulgarians" or named their group "Bulgarian" group, after the name of their "FUTURE" masters which would come to rule them after 100+ years and who hadn't appeared yet. makes sense hey? How can a nation take its name by a nation (or group of ppl) that has not appeared yet?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 22, 2009 0:28:01 GMT -5
^ Their history is a contradiction ;D
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Post by terroreign on Jun 22, 2009 0:42:36 GMT -5
Guys, this topic is on Serb catholics and Croat orthodox, not the origin of the Bulgarians, lets stick to the topic.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 22, 2009 0:45:03 GMT -5
^ hang on terroreign we have Ioan for the 100th time refering back to vardarians as Bulgars.
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Post by rusebg on Jun 22, 2009 4:23:10 GMT -5
Bulgur Pazar, how can anyone speak to you seriously when 90% of your posts make no sense? I see you are now involved in the art of inventing new unexisting names, presenting them as a source and then laughing at your wit. What kind of conversation do you expect?
For Pyrro Gyrro: I have no time to write the history of the formation of the Bulgarian nation as such. If you spare just half an hour checking some info, you wouldn't ask such stupid questions. It is really sad that the biggest ignorants like you and Novi Bulgur are the noisiest in this forum but life is never fair.
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Post by ioan on Jun 22, 2009 4:32:03 GMT -5
My dear bulgarians, please let me ask you this: You claim that: "When Bulgars arrived they found slavs from the Bulgarian group in both places." (meaning bulgaria-fyrom) That means that either - Bulgar turks (or whatever they were) grouped a team of slavs, named them "Bulgarians" and then sent them to the balkans 100+ years before their arrival or - A group of Slavs, predicting the future, named themselves "Bulgarians" or named their group "Bulgarian" group, after the name of their "FUTURE" masters which would come to rule them after 100+ years and who hadn't appeared yet. makes sense hey? How can a nation take its name by a nation (or group of ppl) that has not appeared yet? I dont see your logic. OOPS. I was asking for too much, didnt I? Well first: why did those Bulgarian slavs had to be called Bulgars? They had different tribes names, but they were relatives, they were related. They spoke a language that became Bulgarian in time. That is a fact proven by most linguists - there were 2 types of slavs on the Bolkans: Eastern (Bulgarian) slavic group that included Bulgarian and fyromnian slavs and Western (Serbo0Croatian) group. The Bulgarian group mixed with the Thracians and then Bulgars. There is nothing inlogical here.
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Post by rusebg on Jun 22, 2009 4:46:44 GMT -5
I don't understand where is the complexity in understanding this: Bulgars had a state and some ethnicities (including Slavs) were incorporated into this state. Is it so tough? Pyrro, you know storks? They have small brains but every year they fly south and then return without making any mistakes during their journey. Such small sized brain creatures and yet so smarter than you.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 22, 2009 4:51:06 GMT -5
My dear bulgarians, please let me ask you this: You claim that: " When Bulgars arrived they found slavs from the Bulgarian group in both places." (meaning bulgaria-fyrom) That means that either - Bulgar turks (or whatever they were) grouped a team of slavs, named them "Bulgarians" and then sent them to the balkans 100+ years before their arrival or - A group of Slavs, predicting the future, named themselves "Bulgarians" or named their group "Bulgarian" group, after the name of their "FUTURE" masters which would come to rule them after 100+ years and who hadn't appeared yet. makes sense hey? How can a nation take its name by a nation (or group of ppl) that has not appeared yet? I dont see your logic. OOPS. I was asking for too much, didnt I?Well first: why did those Bulgarian slavs had to be called Bulgars?They had different tribes names, but they were relatives, they were related. They spoke a language that became Bulgarian in time. That is a fact proven by most linguists - there were 2 types of slavs on the Bolkans: Eastern (Bulgarian) slavic group that included Bulgarian and fyromnian slavs and Western (Serbo0Croatian) group. The Bulgarian group mixed with the Thracians and then Bulgars. There is nothing inlogical here. Bulgars came on the Bolkans in Macedonia with Kuber in the 7th century and in Moesia with Asparuch in 7th century also. Macedonia was called by Bulgarian archont Omurtag "the land of my uncles". When Bulgars arrived they found slavs from the Bulgarian group in both places. The slavs have absorbed the Thracians in those places (Peonians in fyrom, BEssians, Moesians etc in Moeasia and Thrace). if you start remembering your own BS, then it would be a first step to at least start sounding coherent.
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