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Post by raven on Feb 26, 2009 16:12:11 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 26, 2009 18:50:45 GMT -5
Hungarians are a very composite nation. Overall they are a mainly a baltic-dinaric-alpine nation. They are similar to the czechs and slovaks.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 26, 2009 18:58:18 GMT -5
I dont think these types in the above photos are specific or exclusive to Hungary , in my opinion I have seen these types in most East European countries. In terms of physical presentation I think there is a wide range of presentations amongst Hungarians. Some Hungarian writers/historians have been Turanophiles and have a tendency to have an over focus on any Turanian ideas. In reality if you go to Hungary and look around you will see a wide variety of physical types.
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Post by raven on Feb 26, 2009 19:17:30 GMT -5
I dont think these types in the above photos are specific or exclusive to Hungary , in my opinion I have seen these types in most East European countries. In terms of physical presentation I think there is a wide range of presentations amongst Hungarians. Some Hungarian writers/historians have been Turanophiles and have a tendency to have an over focus on any Turanian ideas. In reality if you go to Hungary and look around you will see a wide variety of physical types. [/quote] would you say that the Jász (Ossetians from the Caucasus who migrated to Hungary) left a visible legacy? can subraces which are found in the Caucasus such as Mtebids be found in Hungary?
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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 27, 2009 0:20:44 GMT -5
I dont think these types in the above photos are specific or exclusive to Hungary , in my opinion I have seen these types in most East European countries. In terms of physical presentation I think there is a wide range of presentations amongst Hungarians. Some Hungarian writers/historians have been Turanophiles and have a tendency to have an over focus on any Turanian ideas. In reality if you go to Hungary and look around you will see a wide variety of physical types. [/quote] Possibly to some degree in the Jaszbereny region you might find those types as the Jasz mostly settled in that area, they settled there around 13th century and had their own recognised identity untill around 1800's I think. I understand their is a Jasz museum there too so they did leave some legacy. I dont know much about Mtebids, are they Ossetians/Jasz? Otherwise some historians believe that Hungarians (Savard Hungarians)at one point in time lived around the Caucasus region and were joined by a few caucasian tribes that eventually travelled with them to Hungary. It is also mentined that Hungarians lived nearby Iranian peoples and were influenced by Iranian tribes and some very old Iranian words are still evident in Hungarian language.
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Post by wbb on Feb 27, 2009 5:48:28 GMT -5
Im of Medditeranean-Turanid-Dinaric-Arabid type which looks quite foreign for typical europeans of Baltic-Nordic-Alpine type.
Novi, that's incorrect unless you are talking about the Germans and Slavic element that was introduced into Hungarian menu. However these types were quickly disappears and were overtaking by those of Dinaric-Medditeranean-Caucasian-Turanid-Turko-Iranic type as it still shown among Hungarians. Now with the Gypo element in modern world, those type quickly than expected eliminates the Baltic-Alpine type.
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Post by raven on Feb 27, 2009 14:05:37 GMT -5
Possibly to some degree in the Jaszbereny region you might find those types as the Jasz mostly settled in that area, they settled there around 13th century and had their own recognised identity untill around 1800's I think. I understand their is a Jasz museum there too so they did leave some legacy. I dont know much about Mtebids, are they Ossetians/Jasz? Mtebids are basically the Caucasian form of Armenoid so they are quite common amongst the Ossetians. Thats very interesting. quoting from this website: hargita.awardspace.com/hogyvolt/kissumen.html"the ancient Hungarians came from two ethincs into being; the Hungarian speaking Sabir-Huns and the Turkish speaking Onogur Turks". did the Savard Hungarians split from the other Hungarians before or after the 2 above groups merged? also is it true the Cumans settled mainly in the great plains in eastern Hungary? I have a Hungarian friend who claims to have some Cuman ancestry and says that it is quite common to do so in the more eastern regions of Hungary. sorry for all these questions its just that I find the diversity that exists amongst Hungarians very interesting.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 27, 2009 16:29:14 GMT -5
Have you taken your pills? If not ,hurry up, time is running short.
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Post by wbb on Feb 28, 2009 2:26:24 GMT -5
Rusey will u stop being a little pathetic chithead?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 2, 2009 6:11:20 GMT -5
Hungary = 35% Neo-Danubian (most common in the northeast), 25% Turanid (of Magyar derivation), 20% Dinaric (most common in the southwest), 15% Alpine (most common in the south), 2% Nordic, 2% Noric, 1% East Mediterranean = 39% Nordish (2% central and 37% periphery types) www.racialcompact.com/nordishrace.html
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Post by yeni on Mar 3, 2009 3:37:57 GMT -5
yes they settled in the Nagy Alföld (Great Plains) Here is a map which show it (Kunok in Hungarian).
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 4, 2009 22:20:20 GMT -5
"Novi, that's incorrect unless you are talking about the Germans and Slavic element that was introduced into Hungarian menu."
I found it interesting that the Hungarians have a higher incidence of the slavic marker than all the south slavic countries excluding the Croats and Slovenes.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Mar 4, 2009 23:57:29 GMT -5
"Novi, that's incorrect unless you are talking about the Germans and Slavic element that was introduced into Hungarian menu." I found it interesting that the Hungarians have a higher incidence of the slavic marker than all the south slavic countries excluding the Croats and Slovenes. they have 35% Neo Danubian but southern Slavs I think have about 5% and Romanians have either 20% or 25%. The ethnologist Coones believes Hungarians already had this incidence of Neo Danubian presentation on their arrival to Carpathians. I have read Hungarians were involved in selling Slav slaves somewhere north of black sea so obviously they had contacts with Slavs before they entered Carpathians and quite possibly they could have started mixing with them or otherwise a percentage of Hungarians were earlier on already Magyarised Baltics.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Mar 5, 2009 0:17:33 GMT -5
Im of Medditeranean-Turanid-Dinaric-Arabid type which looks quite foreign for typical europeans of Baltic-Nordic-Alpine type. Let us see your photo.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 6, 2009 19:34:44 GMT -5
"they have 35% Neo Danubian but southern Slavs I think have about 5% and Romanians have either 20% or 25%"
Thats absolutely correct. As l have said its more commonest amoungst the croats of slavonia region and slovenes, hence the 5%. In those regions the slavic marker is higher than the rest of ex-YU.
"The ethnologist Coones believes Hungarians already had this incidence of Neo Danubian presentation on their arrival to Carpathians. I have read Hungarians were involved in selling Slav slaves somewhere north of black sea so obviously they had contacts with Slavs before they entered Carpathians and quite possibly they could have started mixing with them or otherwise a percentage of Hungarians were earlier on already Magyarised Baltics."
That could be true also.
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