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Post by Anittas on Apr 26, 2010 7:31:05 GMT -5
When Romania was formed, we were given the task to keep the balance in the Balkans and to keep the Ottomans, the Austrians, and the Russians away from each other.
When Bulgaria wanted to expand its imperialistic ambitions, we warned them, but they did not listen. When they terrorized and invaded Macedonia, we occupied Sofia and forced them to retreat and sign a peace treaty.
If Bulgaria tries anything funny, we will act to protect the Macedonian nation! I will myself enroll in the army.
I'm really glad Macedonia is an independent country. You recognize the Vlach minority and treat them well--unlike Bulgaria which assimilated them and denied their contributions.
Long live Macedonia! Hurray, hurray, hurray!
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Post by Nikola on Apr 26, 2010 7:47:11 GMT -5
Long live Macedonia! Hurray, hurray, hurray! This thread gets a: from me.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 26, 2010 7:47:53 GMT -5
Just give the Serbs in western Romania all their rights, and leave alone Macedonia. As a nation, you are even more fictious than the Bulgarians, and yes, you may take that as a compliment, since its takes a long way of modification for 20 millions of obscure slavo-Dacians to begin talking latin, while using "DA" for yes! LMAO
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Post by ivo on Apr 26, 2010 12:53:20 GMT -5
I’ve dated 3 Romanian girls thus far, one of them for nearly 4 years. I used to hang around a lot of Romanians and still have one friend that I keep in touch with. Even though there are many similarities between us, there are several huge differences in our national characters. It is those differences that I think would give Bulgaria the edge over Romania in any such conflict.
The main thing that could possibly help Romania is superior technology. Thus far, however, the Bulgarian soldier has a proven track record of doing that which had been deemed impossible.
The topic that you’ve started is rather idiotic because Bulgaria has absolutely no desire to annex Macedonia, and we want nothing more but peaceful relations with all our neighbors.
Regarding the Second Balkan War, Bulgaria was fighting Serbia along with a Montenegrin contingent, and Greece. Turkey entered the war against Bulgaria, and finally Romania, our forces were stretched out on too many fronts, hence the signing of an armistice. Politically, Romania wanted Dobruja in order to remain neutral. If Bulgaria ceded Dobruja to Romania, we’d be looking at a much different map of the Balkans today.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 26, 2010 23:07:48 GMT -5
Ha ha, if Romania indeed invaded Sofia, i would like to find that map and put it in my signature. kidding. Asen, imagine how irritating and disturbing it would be if after 1000 years the (grand)* children of yours will have to face the "historical" maps that the (grand)* children of Annitas show to them.... quite disturbing for an insignificant historical event. (in the same spirit, your maps with Bosnia/Croatia/Serbia as simply "Bulgarian" are just low level garbage and nothing more)
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 28, 2010 3:50:56 GMT -5
^ Vardar will never be occupied Bulgarska, ever. Anittas is right, the Bulgars have assimilated many Vlachs in this central asian and european nation.
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Post by Anittas on Apr 28, 2010 6:00:06 GMT -5
I’ve dated 3 Romanian girls thus far, one of them for nearly 4 years. I used to hang around a lot of Romanians and still have one friend that I keep in touch with. Even though there are many similarities between us, there are several huge differences in our national characters. It is those differences that I think would give Bulgaria the edge over Romania in any such conflict. I don't know how scientific your analysis is. You dated 3 Ro chicks and knew a couple of dudes and based on your experience concluded that Bulgarians are hardass and Romanians are soft. Hmmm, sounds a bit dubious... The facts are: We, together with the Russians, liberated you from the Turkish yoke. You couldn't do it yourself. We occupied Sofia. We also occupied the whole of Hungary for a year in 1919. The Two Principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia put on a good fight to managed to keep their autonomy with short periods of independence. Not so for Bulgaria and Serbia. So yes, you might be rough on the edges and we might be more civilized and pacifistic, but when it comes to the bone, we will fight to the death for our country. And what was that? What an illusion... this Bulgarian mythology you people believe in. So you took a Turkish fortress which few thought you could take. Great. Military history is full of such wonders. We did more of such "impossible" deeds. However, it's when you maintain a military tradition that proves your worth, when we can start talking about superior discipline and tactics. On that front, your nation is not more relevant than the region in question. Bulgaria was never a Prussia of the Balkans. Your past glory is explained by the Turkic Bulgars who kept a war tradition and which proved successful when it was applied on a weak and corrupt Eastern Empire. Your southern Turkic brothers succeeded even further. I respect your Turkic war tactics and your passion for war and pillage, but that's where it ends.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 28, 2010 7:25:30 GMT -5
Arv-annitas dude, calm down.
You speak the most bizarre language of the balkans, you dont know who you really are. Dacians? Thracians? Latins? Romans? Slavs? Saxons?
it seems that (like vlahs) Romanian is a person who cannot categorize himself anywhere else more specific. In that regard, you are far inferior to bulgarians, because roms have a language pretty much rectified to the bone only few years ago, while all your basic agricultural vocabulary used to be 100% slavic!
Jesus, you even use slav words for basic meanings (like yes)
gimme a break arv-annita, frankly i dont believe you differ from the bulgarians in the slightest. (you might even be more slav than they are)
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Post by Anittas on Apr 28, 2010 9:07:02 GMT -5
Arv-annitas dude, calm down. You speak the most bizarre language of the balkans, you dont know who you really are. Dacians? Thracians? Latins? Romans? Slavs? Saxons? it seems that (like vlahs) Romanian is a person who cannot categorize himself anywhere else more specific. In that regard, you are far inferior to bulgarians, because roms have a language pretty much rectified to the bone only few years ago, while all your basic agricultural vocabulary used to be 100% slavic! Jesus, you even use slav words for basic meanings (like yes) gimme a break arv-annita, frankly i dont believe you differ from the bulgarians in the slightest. (you might even be more slav than they are) You got it all backwards. Our "agricultural vocabulary" consists of mostly Latin origin and it is also the one where we least borrowed from other languages. Ruric words that originate from our language can be found in as far as Slovakia, Czech Rep. and Poland. In what way is our language bizarre? That it is a Romance language with Slavic and some Greek and Turkish elements? That is not bizarre. It is normal to be influenced by your neighbors. As for our identity: Romanians living in Romania are confident about who they are. We have a regional identity and a national identity. The two don't contradict each other. As for our origins (which is not the same as knowing your identity)--we, as other people in the Balkans--such as the Macedonians and the Greeks, are mostly native to the region. Whether that is Dacian or Thracian is of less significance, since Dacians were a subgroup of Thracians. Being Latin designates a linguistic herritage. Our language borrowed a significant amount of words from French, but so have other languagues: such as Swedish and Danish. The reason why Slavic nations in the Balkans haven't done that is not because you are more authentic, but because you didn't have an elite that could introduce you to Renaissance ideas, liberalism and literature. Shortly put: you are a pack of trash. You seem to have a poor image of Romanians being insecure of their identity. This could be due to your encounterance with Romanians (Vlach) from Serbia. I'll agree with you there: they are morons--but they have an excuse: they can blame it on their host country. Whereas our identity has been consistent since time immemorial, the Serb, Croat, Bosniac and Bulgarian identity has not. A few concrete examples: Serb, Croat, Bosniac: You used to promote a Pan-Slavic identity; more recently, Croat and Serbs claim Sarmatian herritage. As for Bosniacs--they confuse identity and herritage with religion. Montenegrin: didn't they use to be Serb? What happened! Bulgarians: some Bulgarian scholars claim Turkic origins, other keep on to their Slavic identity, others say Iranian; and more recently, some say Thracian. Bulgarians are by far the most confused people in Europe, if not in the world. They are having an identity crisis and even their old royalty claimed they are Thracian. I believe they even opened a 'university' (Bulgarian standard) that was to promote that idea. In the old forum, the Bulgarian members used to argue among themselves about their origins and how that may affect their identity. As for the other thing you brought up:-- the Serbs in Banat have always enjoyed full rights. They are treated like royalty there. It is the Vlachs/Romanians in Serbia that have been discriminated against. You won't even allow them to attend church services in their own language. On top of that, it must be mentioned that you weren't present in Banat since some 400 years ago--give or take a few decades. Yet we let you keep a big part of Banat as a gesture of goodwill. I don't know what the problem with Serbs is. It's an old tradition of Serbia--to discriminate people who don't speak a despicable language and who don't behave in a vulgar way--which to Serbs is a sign of strength and determination. Have you spared any of your neighbors from that evil? Romania is a tolerant country to its minorities. That is also why the country is unified and why we didn't encounter the problems and the violence that you have. Serbs are quite immature in that respect and when somethings goes wrong, it's the West that's to be blamed for it. Maybe you should try to learn more from the Albanians. They could teach you a thing or two.
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Post by Anittas on Apr 28, 2010 9:09:00 GMT -5
We might, but that is hardly the issue. In fact, I don't believe you know the issue. I don't believe you have a point to make. I think you just like to rant, you Yugo-teen, you...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 28, 2010 9:21:45 GMT -5
I know that when some supposed latin says "da" for "si", and "dragoste" for "amor", he better have an identity research, and fast! www.101languages.net/romanian/influences.htmlif now, 20% of words in the overhauled romanian are of slavic origin, i dont dare to imagine the situation back in 17th century, mr alvane-ita. PS i am not Yugoslav, but a neutral Greek.
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Post by Anittas on Apr 28, 2010 9:34:56 GMT -5
Our vocabulary has always had Latin as its dominant factor. Yes, we have texts written in Romanian from the 15th century and there's no problem reading them. So we have 20-percent Slavic vocabulary and say Da to yes. Should we call ourselves Slavs and deny the Latin dominant factor? Is that your argument? What is your argument?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 28, 2010 9:54:42 GMT -5
Our vocabulary has always had Latin as its dominant factor. Yes, we have texts written in Romanian from the 15th century and there's no problem reading them. So we have 20-percent Slavic vocabulary and say Da to yes. Should we call ourselves Slavs and deny the Latin dominant factor? Is that your argument? What is your argument? My argument, is that this situation looks like the result of the most bizarre bastardization, where the dominant culture is not clear.
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Post by Anittas on Apr 28, 2010 9:56:08 GMT -5
Our vocabulary has always had Latin as its dominant factor. Yes, we have texts written in Romanian from the 15th century and there's no problem reading them. So we have 20-percent Slavic vocabulary and say Da to yes. Should we call ourselves Slavs and deny the Latin dominant factor? Is that your argument? What is your argument? My argument, is that this situation looks like the result of the most bizarre bastardization, where the dominant culture is not clear. That's nice; and that can be said about much of Southeastern Europe (Greece included). What does that argument have to do with this thread, tho?
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Post by ivo on Apr 28, 2010 10:31:55 GMT -5
There’s really no point in talking about some hypothetical conflict between Bulgaria and Romania, as I said, this is a rather idiotic topic. Bulgaria wants nothing but peaceful relations with its neighbors. The past is in the past, and Bulgaria has proven herself on the battlefield on many occasions.
Regarding the Romanian national character, I’d say I have a fairly good understanding of it. I’ve been to Romania briefly and in Toronto over the years I’ve gone to many Romanian events, I’ve gone to Romanian religious gatherings, festivals, and a variety of other celebrations. This supposed claim that you are ‘civilized’ is just a perceived notion of sophistication that is not really true. Romanians are as civilized as all other nations on the Balkans. About you being ‘pacifistic’, I’ll have to agree.
Regarding the Bulgarian identity, you’ve contradicted yourself, as you yourself mentioned that origin and identity is not the same thing. The Bulgarian identity has existed for many centuries, our ethnicity is formed by three main ethnic groups; Bulgars, Slavs, and Thracians. There have also been other ethnic groups that have played a role in our ethnogenesis to a much lesser degree. Some of the people who perceive themselves to be “ethnically superior” or “ethnically pure” may think that this is a negative, however, the fact that so many different ethnicities have been assimilated into being Bulgarian is a testament to our great past. Bulgarians have a varied opinion on which of the three main ethnic groups has contributed the most to our ethno-genetic makeup, however, we all see ourselves as Bulgarians/Bulgars (there’s only one word in Bulgarian) and our Bulgarian identity has been clear cut for a long long time.
The fact that we discuss and sometimes debate our origins and history is really more for ‘sport’, for fun, and out of interest toward learning the details of the past, at the same time, we are all united in our Bulgarian identity.
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Post by Anittas on Apr 29, 2010 4:39:37 GMT -5
Asen, you're moderate in your opinions and reasonble in your assessments. Although I disagree on some of your statements, I think we would get along. Unfortunatelly, most Bulgarians seem to be like Edlund, Stoikov and RuseBG.
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Post by ivo on Apr 29, 2010 9:52:49 GMT -5
Anitas, I assure you, I'm not different from the Bulgars on this forum.
From what I've read, you are quite anti-Bulgarian and I think this hate you have for my people is hindering your objectivity regarding Bulgarians as a whole.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 30, 2010 3:37:17 GMT -5
^ everybody is not objective, except for the Bulgars ofcourse
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Post by ivo on Apr 30, 2010 9:29:50 GMT -5
Ethnicity has nothing to do with it. The problem is that you have some rather significant anti-Bulgarian biases, which are clearly impairing your judgment regarding Bulgars in general.
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Post by rusebg on Apr 30, 2010 16:36:16 GMT -5
Fvcking hell, the second time in just a month I have to agree with Pyrros...what on earth is going on? Anittas, tell me this: you are mighty Romanian. Moldavian, in particular. Have you read your 11th book in Romanian since the last time we spoke to each other?! If not...you know what to do. Oh, I almost forgot: Novi, you are an idiot. When you don't know what to say, just stay aside from the topic.
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