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Post by rex362 on Dec 26, 2011 10:36:03 GMT -5
Alexander of Macedonia painted in the church in Radovish as a Christian saint 300 years before Christianity 23 December 2011 | 13:41 | FOCUS News Agency Home / Southeast Europe and Balkans Skopje. Alexander the Macedonian has been painted in the new Trinity Church in Radovish, as a Christian saint, nearly 300 years before the advent of Christianity, Macedonian media announced. The idea is of the founder of the temple - Risto Gushterov, U.S. businessman who has decided that among the Christian saints must place not only Alexander than, and his father - Philip II of Macedonia. In an interview for Dnevnik daily Risto Gushterov, the businessman who sponsored the building of the church, said: "I wanted to mark the Macedonian people historically. Therefore Macedonians Alexander the Great and his father - Philip II of Macedonia, Saints Cyril and Methodius, Saint Clement of Ohrid, Saint Naum of Ohrid have their prominent place. Here is the star of Vergina, for which we tolerate attacks from our southern neighbor, which what us to remove it from our national flag. Interestingly, the paintings are made by masters of Russians and Ukrainians. Before paint them, they had visited the most beautiful Macedonian churches and monasteries. In their paintings are intertwined traditions that were created here since 2000 years, but also - and modern art. Because it is a shame that the Macedonian Radio and Television declined the request of the Macedonian Orthodox Church for the direct transmission of the blessing ceremony of the temple ...". Businessman Risto Gushterov is connected with Bulgaria; it became clear from the same interview. On question - where lies his business activity Gushterov replied that currently his business is in Skopje. I have certain activities in the construction industry in Poland, I have business in USA, Florida, he said. In Bulgaria I have hotel business in Sofia and Varna, as well - I have business in Russia, Gushterov says. The painting of the temple is associated with a scandal. Originally the businessman from Florida Risto Gushterov, leader of the Liberal Party, gave a USD 90,000 for the painting.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Dec 26, 2011 19:16:06 GMT -5
^Roflllll....a Christian saint before Christianity even existed. Posht fyrom sa më shpejt!!!!!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 26, 2011 19:52:43 GMT -5
"Businessman Risto Gushterov is connected with Bulgaria"
Oh mother BuLgarska, why have you given birth to stupids like you?
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Post by uz on Dec 26, 2011 21:10:49 GMT -5
this is pretty stupid of the macedonians, if this is what they are now going to accept... some would even go as far as saying it's insulting to christian orthodoxy, let's face it, Alexander the Great was a barbarian/warrior, what enlighten divity did he propose to the world while butchering his enemies... many being women and children?
Alexander the Great, was great for what he was able to accomplish, and being the barbarian he was can only be seen as acceptable concidering the age/time.
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Post by Nikola on Dec 27, 2011 3:39:03 GMT -5
this is pretty stupid of the macedonians This was the action of one man, not an entire population.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 27, 2011 4:57:47 GMT -5
^ Nikola, the teachings in Fyrom will ATTRACT the entire population to the actions of one man.
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 27, 2011 6:25:12 GMT -5
Don't you have to be a member of the faith, to become a saint of the faith?
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Post by uz on Dec 27, 2011 18:02:03 GMT -5
this is pretty stupid of the macedonians This was the action of one man, not an entire population. I understand that, I meant the ones who accept it.
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Post by Sokol on Dec 27, 2011 18:06:24 GMT -5
Risto Gusterov is a fuckwit and the picture should be painted over.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 27, 2011 22:01:55 GMT -5
^ It never will, your people are too deluded and scared to do otherwise......must be your Bulgarian genes from east asia.
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Post by uz on Dec 27, 2011 22:10:00 GMT -5
easy there Novi, not all Mac's approve this. I refuse to beleive that the majority of Macedonians actually beleive their connection to him.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 27, 2011 22:25:15 GMT -5
^ Uz, serbs deny this, only Bulgars play along
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Post by uz on Dec 27, 2011 22:27:07 GMT -5
lol I see
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 27, 2011 22:39:16 GMT -5
^ Uz, it goes back to the times of the Ottoman Empire. Whoever recognised the Patriarchate WERE/ARE Serbs, while whoever recognised the Bulgarian Exarchate are Turko-Bulgars. For a Bulgarian like Chento to be shaming us serbs by holding onto a Serbian tradition (Slava) is preplexing, WHY, because Bulgarian clergy in the established Exarchos banned Slavs from celebrating the Serbian Slava. It was well known that Bulgarian people killed Serbian people for holding onto a Slava. Secondly, this BuLgarin tells me and you that both his mongoloid grandfathers fought with the BuLgari in WW2 against Serbs?
PS His a liar!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 27, 2011 22:41:18 GMT -5
"Businessman Risto Gushterov is connected with Bulgaria"Uz, you see what l mean
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Post by Sokol on Dec 27, 2011 22:44:30 GMT -5
"Whoever recognised the Patriarchate WERE/ARE Serbs"
No they weren't, they were recognised as Greeks. Read the Ottoman census results you fool. Now who is the liar.
BTW, most Macedonian males duing WW2 were drafted into the BG army, and all celebrated their Slava then, as they do now...
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Post by uz on Dec 27, 2011 22:46:08 GMT -5
The Slava is Serbian, you can't deny that. Now this doesn't mean "your a Serb" but it does mean you adopted it from the Serbs.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 27, 2011 23:23:14 GMT -5
"BTW, most Macedonian males duing WW2 were drafted into the BG army, and all celebrated their Slava then, as they do now..."
Oh bullcrap, 99% of you don't even have Slava's.
"No they weren't, they were recognised as Greeks. Read the Ottoman census results you fool. Now who is the liar."
Gilbert in der Maur:
" Those who declared themselves for the Exarchate were Bulgars, those who acknowledged the Patriarchate were Serbs. It was scarcely possible at that time to trace any linguistic borderline."
Me fool, no, l love truth, l hate liars and l hate Bulgarian history. I don't respect people who lie. Anyway, lets look at what Karl Oestreich says:
"A considerable part of the rural population, although it then felt to be Serbian, seized the first opportunity of obtaining Slavic priests and so declared itself to be Bulgarian......Whoever joined the Bulgarian Exarchate was registered in the Turkish population records as "BULGARI-MILET" and to the world at large was a Bulgar."
Dr Karl Oestreich says something really interesting here Chento:
"The Bulgars were Slavs, and the so-called 'Greeks' were also Slavs. The 'Bulgars' were simply Macedonian Slavs who had joined the Bulgarian Church, which had been brought to them by the inhabitants of the Bulgarian principality and which had been anathematized by the Patriarchate. They might be Bulgars or Serbs. The 'Greeks' were also slavs who, on account of opposition toward the Bulgars and their Turkophile policy, had remained in the Greek Ecumenical Orthodox Patriarchal Church, which, as far as its membership is concerned, was also Slav."
Just to stick it up your Bulgarian backside, read the following:
Hadji Kalfa, the Turkish geographer, records that Kostur was also in Serbian lands and that Serbs, as well as Wallachians, lived there.
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Post by Sokol on Dec 27, 2011 23:38:14 GMT -5
and how many serbs did the ottomans count in Macedonia?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 28, 2011 1:23:11 GMT -5
^ Zero, why? Read below:
"It is understandable that the Turks preferred the patient and submissive Bulgar to the rebellious Serb or Greek. Since the Serbian principality had gained its freedom, the Turks regarded every Serb who declared himself to be such as a rebellious conspirator against the Turkish regime. This circumstance was widely exploited by the Bulgars in order to spread their propaganda among the Serbs outside the principality. Whoever was reluctant to become a Bulgar and persisted in calling himself a Serb was denounced to the Turks as conspiring with Serbia, and could expect severe punishment. Serbian priests were maltreated; permission was refused to open Serbian schools and those that were already in existence were closed; Serbian monasteries were destroyed. In order to avoid persecution, the population renounced its nationality and called itself Bulgarian........during the last thirty or forty years, propaganda has been rife in which the Bulgars have encouraged the Turks to act against Serbs and Greeks. Hence, throughout Macedonia, Thrace and Dardania, Slavs are considered to be Bulgars, which is quite incorrect. On the contrary, the Slavs in Macedonia are incapable of understanding a Bulgar from Jantra. If it is desired to designate these Slavs correctly, than they must be considered as Serbs, for the Serbian name is so popular among them that for example male children are sometimes christened "Srbin" [Serb]. the Serbian hero of the folk poems, Marko Kraljevich is obviously the Serbian ruler in Macedonia."
Alexander von Heksch "Die Donau von ihrem Ursprung bis an die Mundung",Leipzig,1885,pp.636
HERE IS SOMETHING FOR YOU BULGARIN:
During World War I, the Bulgarian troops under the command of first lieutenant Protogerov were ordered to inflict reprisals upon the population east of Kumanovo for an attack made on some Bulgarian troops. Before the reprisal measures were begun, the entire population declared that it was Bulgarian, purely in order to avoid being punished.Protogerov was greatly perplexed. Here is a quote by Gilbert in der Maur regarding this event:
"Then Protogerov's aides had an idea: they asked who celebrated the 'slava'.Those who did so were shot, since the celebration of the 'slava' is a sign that one is a Serb:it is a custom which the Bulgarians do not have".
Gilbert in der Maur "Jugoslawien einst und jetz" Leipzig-Vienna, 1936,pp.330
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