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Post by kendjelic on Jun 12, 2011 16:30:17 GMT -5
Hey everyone, first post here. I have a question that I would like an honest answer to. I asked it on another forum too but no response from Croats. First off, I recently learned of my nationality consisting of being part Croatian. This lead me into researching music of the balkans.
So for those who live in Croatia, is this kind of music completely looked down upon? If so, why? I'm aware of most of this music originating in Serbia so is this one of the main reasons it is not followed or liked in Croatia? What about singers from Croatia and Bosnia that somewhat follow suit of this pop folk music such as some Sejo Boy, Ivan Zak or even Vuco songs?
I am sorry if this offends anyone but for me looking in from the outside, it seems the Croats do everything in their power to distance themselves from this genre. What is the reason? I honestly would like to find the true answer.
Thanks in advance
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 13, 2011 7:39:00 GMT -5
Hey everyone, first post here. I have a question that I would like an honest answer to. I asked it on another forum too but no response from Croats. First off, I recently learned of my nationality consisting of being part Croatian. This lead me into researching music of the balkans. So for those who live in Croatia, is this kind of music completely looked down upon? If so, why? I'm aware of most of this music originating in Serbia so is this one of the main reasons it is not followed or liked in Croatia? What about singers from Croatia and Bosnia that somewhat follow suit of this pop folk music such as some Sejo Boy, Ivan Zak or even Vuco songs? I am sorry if this offends anyone but for me looking in from the outside, it seems the Croats do everything in their power to distance themselves from this genre. What is the reason? I honestly would like to find the true answer. Thanks in advance I don't live in Croatia but I believe I can answer your question being one of hte only few Croatian members on this forum. Not completely looked down upon just not as popular as other genres of music. A lot of Croatians actually like folk music but not in the turbofolk fashion as they prefer more traditionally based folk music. Croats in Bosnia and Hercegovina tend to listen more to hyper folk or turbo folk music given their cultural similarities and proximities to Serbs and Bosniaks there. The music has Oriental and Ottoman origin actually. The same kind of music is found all the way to Turkmenistan and the 'Stan countries' as well as the Middle East. It was popularized in during the war years in Serbia which is why it became 'Serbian music' and a source of disdain and humor among Croats. Most of its Croatian singers are typically from Bosnia as I stated earlier. Another reason is that musicians would also like to become popular and make money visiting Ex-Yugo countries. No offense taken. On the whole this was never really 'Croatian music.' Even during Yugoslavia Croatians were known for putting out the best 'zabavna' music which is a totally different genre often originating from Dalmatian artists. Fast paced folk music was even then something more popular among the majority of Serbs , Bosniaks , and Macedonians.
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Post by kendjelic on Jun 13, 2011 9:01:11 GMT -5
I really appreciate the reply. I personally kind of like the faster paced folk music. To me, Croatian music seems a bit slow and boring to me, although good. There seems to only be a handfull of artists that actually fall into the more upbeat party/club music genre.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 13, 2011 9:02:49 GMT -5
^^ Hey to each their own.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 13, 2011 9:10:33 GMT -5
An example of rather popular 'modern' Croatian folk music :
I personally don't have a high opinion of the music ( Mate Bulic is alright though) but yeah , its a minor phenomenon that has gained some traction.
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Post by terroreign on Jun 13, 2011 13:53:14 GMT -5
how dare you say such nasty things about serbian music priso!!
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Post by uz on Jun 13, 2011 15:13:50 GMT -5
^cuti brE !
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 14, 2011 10:14:04 GMT -5
Krivo , I actually find those Baja songs rather entertaining. Still , Baja never got a lot of traction outside of his Serb community in Croatia. Now Thompson on the other hand... I know of quite a bit of Serbs that listen to Thompson in private. They absolutely love the beat to Cavoglave and Anica Kninska Kraljica although they probably don't pay attention to the lyrics lol.
The best is when both sides use an izvorni beat and modify the words to rag on eachother.
^^ Although why Siptar UCK photos are in this clip baffles me lol.
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Post by terroreign on Jun 14, 2011 14:07:44 GMT -5
not true! he's had a new CD come out and toured through rs, serbia, and the serb communities in austria, australia and chicago
dude i listen to thompson too (i told you this) but at least baja is not banned from entire countries/cities and doesn't cause a ruckus over being a "nazi/fascist" like what happened in NYC
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 14, 2011 17:07:43 GMT -5
I meant in terms of popularity. Baja never reached Thompson heights.
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Post by Username on Jun 15, 2011 0:15:29 GMT -5
Turbofolk is butt ugly. But so is most of the music in the Balkans.. blahhh disgusting. Sorry, but hate it; sounds like something you'd hear in Pakistan.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 15, 2011 8:29:01 GMT -5
^^ Agree
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Post by Japodian on Jun 15, 2011 10:49:12 GMT -5
Turbo folk although frowned upon by many as something strange is quite popular in Croatia, mostly by younger what would I call "balkan-emo" people. They are mostly by some part connected to the rural parts of Croatia, or from Bosnia. On the other hand Croatians enjoy traditional folk music, of its derivative made by mixing it with new musical forms, but not to many people listen to this genre. I don't agree with assumption that it is slow, it really depends on region and the theme. Turbo folk is the phenomenon connected with ex-Yugoslavia but it is not an exemption from the region, there is also chagla, skyladiko and others similar to it... I personally don't like the type of music, cause I was more grown under the influence of my parents who listened to old school "narodna glazba" from ex-Yu with names like Nada Mamula, Zvonko Bogdan, Miroslav Ilic, Himzo Polovina, Halid Beslic etc... Personally I prefer folk music, but not the "turbo folk" genre cause of its links to crime, poor use of sexuality and most important it is really crap.
Although some people used the form to make fun of it, like the band "Pero Defformero" from Novi Sad which defined their genre as "turbo-folk-porn-metal". They are really great and funny, and are becoming popular even in Croatia.
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Post by kendjelic on Jun 15, 2011 11:50:39 GMT -5
Turbo folk although frowned upon by many as something strange is quite popular in Croatia, mostly by younger what would I call "balkan-emo" people. They are mostly by some part connected to the rural parts of Croatia, or from Bosnia. On the other hand Croatians enjoy traditional folk music, of its derivative made by mixing it with new musical forms, but not to many people listen to this genre. I don't agree with assumption that it is slow, it really depends on region and the theme. Turbo folk is the phenomenon connected with ex-Yugoslavia but it is not an exemption from the region, there is also chagla, skyladiko and others similar to it... I personally don't like the type of music, cause I was more grown under the influence of my parents who listened to old school "narodna glazba" from ex-Yu with names like Nada Mamula, Zvonko Bogdan, Miroslav Ilic, Himzo Polovina, Halid Beslic etc... Personally I prefer folk music, but not the "turbo folk" genre cause of its links to crime, poor use of sexuality and most important it is really crap. Although some people used the form to make fun of it, like the band "Pero Defformero" from Novi Sad which defined their genre as "turbo-folk-porn-metal". They are really great and funny, and are becoming popular even in Croatia. I appreciate the response. I personally like Miroslav Ilic as well as Halid. What is this style of singing called? I remember when I was little my great uncle would play this type of music while singing to the accordian. My mom was adopted so there was no blood relation but they were from Slovenia. Is their folk music similar to this? I didn't think it was. Either way, I'm just trying to learn as much I can about the Croatian/Balkan culture. All this info is great! Also, just took a look at Pero Defformero and found it strange that the singer looks like my dad although with a way lighter skin tone lol. They are pretty good as I like metal, nice find.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 15, 2011 14:58:31 GMT -5
Hey Japod , sounds exactly like my story . We have the same tastes. I also grew up listening to zabavna and dalmatinske pjesme ( IMO , the best pure quality music from the whole region).
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