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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 27, 2010 20:26:07 GMT -5
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 27, 2010 20:33:12 GMT -5
for those who are wondering about their origins Bosniaks
Two thirds of Sandžak Bosniaks trace their ancestry to the regions of Montenegro proper[citation needed], which they started leaving first in 1687, after Turkey lost Boka Kotorska. The trend continued in Old Montenegro after 1711 with the extermination of converts to Islam ("istraga poturica"). Another contributing factor that spurred the migration to Sandžak from the Old Montenegro was the fact that the old Orthodox population of Sandžak moved towards Serbia and the Habsburg Monarchy (Vojvodina) in two waves, first after 1687, and then, after 1740, leaving Sandžak basically depopulated. The advance of increasingly stronger ethnic Montenegrins[citation needed] caused additional resettlements out of Montenegro proper in 1858 and 1878, when, Montenegro was recognized as an independent state by the Treaty of Berlin. While only 20 Bosniak families remained in Nikšić after 1878, towns like Kolašin, Spuž, Grahovo, and others, lost their entire Bosniak population. Additionally, the clan-organized Montenegrin army forcibly converted[citation needed] about 12,000 Bosniaks and Albanians from Southern Sandžak, and Metohija to Orthodox Christianity in 1912, after capturing those lands from the Turks in the Balkan Wars. Practically all of the converts, less a couple of families, converted back to Islam in 1913, when, under international pressure, the public announcement was made giving them freedom to profess the faith of their choosing. The last major interethnic incident occurred in 1924 in Šahovići and Pavino Polje (present day municipality of Bijelo Polje in Sandžak), when Montenegrin peasants massacred hundreds of Bosniaks[citation needed], under the pretext that Bosniak outlaws murdered a local Montenegrin hero; an allegation which was completely false[citation needed].
Some twenty percent of Bosniaks stem from the Catholic Albanian clans of Northern Albania[citation needed] and neighbouring Montenegro. Most of them were resettled by the ruling Ottomans at the beginning of the 18th century from Malësia e Shkodrës (Serbian/Bosnian/Montenegrin: Skadarska Malesija), partly aiming to populate the lands deserted by the fleeing Orthodox population after the Austro-Turkish wars. By the end of the 19th century, all these Albanians converted to Islam, and were assimilated into the dominant wave of Bosniak refugees from Montenegro proper. Nevertheless, they retained many of their Albanian traditions, especially in the eastern parts of Sandžak, and some older Bosniaks of Albanian ancestry even speak fluent Albanian to this day.
The last segment of Sandžak Bosniaks arrived from several other places. Naturally, there was a continuous intermingling with the members of the local Turkish administration and military. Some of the Bosniaks came from Slavonia after 1687, when Turkey lost all the lands north of Sava in the Austro-Turkish war. Many more came from Herzegovina in the post-1876 period, after the Herzegovina Rebellion staged by the Serbs against Austria-Hungary and their Muslim subjects. Another wave followed immediately afterwards from both Bosnia and Herzegovina, as the Treaty of Berlin placed Bosnia under the effective control of Austria-Hungary in 1878. The last wave of migrants from Bosnia followed in 1908, when Austria-Hungary officially annexed Bosnia, cutting off all direct ties between the Bosnian Muslims and the Sublime Porte, their effective protector. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand%C5%BEak#Bosniaks
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jan 27, 2010 20:37:05 GMT -5
They are Albanians from Plava, i have seen before from albanian site (and they look puro Albanian).
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Post by danceswithpoodles on Jan 27, 2010 21:31:15 GMT -5
Nice aunt jemima rags!
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 27, 2010 22:44:46 GMT -5
Left guy looks typical Montenegrin (minus the pirate hat ) and acts it with this initial antagonistic and unfriendly look like he is about to say "You better not be taking my picture youngster?"
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Post by king on Jan 27, 2010 23:11:13 GMT -5
the guy on the far right, with the black hair and skin pigmentation looks turkish to me
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jan 28, 2010 9:10:04 GMT -5
These ones all look like Serbs.
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Post by Gigolo on Jul 20, 2010 22:54:08 GMT -5
The main two elements which make up modern Sandzaklije would be Bosniaks from BiH and Albanians from Kosovo and Malesia. Multiple migrations of those two populations INTO Sandzak, plus multiple EXODUSES of the Serb Orthodox population. Although in the last 100-150 years large amounts of Sandzak muslims of all kinds moved to Turkey as well. Also Serbians who accepted Islam would be assimilated naturaly, though the numbers of Serbian "poturica" from Serbia proper was small. Also throw in the ocasional real Turk who stayed behind.
That doesn't really say anything about their "racial" make up, since none of the mentioned people are 'races', but at least it says something about the locations they come from.
One interesting fact is mix of clothing among them, Bosniak + Albanian styles often fused, especialy the closer you get to Albania an Kosovo, like in Rozaje. This isn't just among the ones with partial Albanian ancestry, but also among Sandzaklije who have nothing to do with Albanians. I know a few who's roots are in Eastern Herzegovina, but in Sandzak they (and their descendants) wore the Albanian pants often, as well as the plis on ocasion. Not suprising considering how close the two communities were/are, especialy during and after WWII when they practicly saved eachother.
Unlike some others, Sandzaklije have no "complexes" about their Albanian components. Those who have Albanian heritage celebrate it. In my experience anyway.
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