Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 18, 2011 14:30:10 GMT -5
my reply to another topic
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2nd. Since Abrahamic religion became official in Roman empire entire Europe has stagnated intellectually speaking - especially the western part where the church was far more brutal and far less tolerant towards other ideas (versus east en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Byzantine_inventions ) .
3rd. It is true that ancient Greece ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_technology ) was pinnacle of invention versus anything before and since then (since then it was primarily only adding to the already existent greco-roman scientific foundation) followed by Romans ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_technology ).
4th. The percentage of inventors (thinkers) versus entire population is minuscule at best (perhaps no more then 1-3 population is what I call thinkers). I believe that the percentage of these thinkers among ancient Greeks was perhaps higher then anywhere else judging by what they have done. My idea is that ancient Greeks (and therefore thinkers amongst them) have spread among Romans and then amongs later-date-Europeans. These people resurface in Renaissance and later in various parts of Europe that became intellectually semi-liberated. Majority of Greeks have lost identity (have become French, Italian, German) but their genes remain and their inventions are materialized. To understand more from where I am coming from look at the data bellow!
The Greeks were initially the most numerous with colonies all over the Mediterranean.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece#Colonies
So Greece has on average 11.5 millions circa 500BC when entire world is estimated to have ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population_estimates ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/509%E2%80%93500_BC ) 100 million people.
13 million Greeks for 400AD when ( www.worldhistorysite.com/population.html ) percentage estimates for the world are following;
400AD
China : ......................27%......... (27 million)
India : ......................24%.........(24 million)
Other Asia: ................21%........(21 million)
Europe : .....................18%.........(18 million)
Africa : ........................7%........(7 million)
other: .........................3%........(3 million)
Exclude China, India and other (total 46% or 46 million) and we are left with 54 million. Persia must have been at least in the 20 million range and that leaves 34 million. Exclude Egypt and Phoenicians (including Punics or Carthaginians) and the remaining numbers drop to 20-25 million maximum. That means that half of these numbers are Greeks and this means entire Europe plus some other regions. It clearly says Europe 18 million and Greeks are 13 million so you do the math. Primitive Celts, Germanics and Balto-Slavic people of that time would not have been that numerous as I was saying all along. They (with Romans) absorbed scores of Greek populations which forgot their Greek identity and became sizable racial component of these new ethnicities.
Greeks are staggering 13 million when Europe has 18 million people
Appearance wise most of the European thinkers inventors from past 500 years have appearance comparable to ancient Greeks (one clue is thick beards which is something that early say Celts did not have as it was recorded into the first incursion into Rome itself before Rome became big).
compare!
Early Greeks = thick beards
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beard#Ancient_Greece
Now view this, early Celts = no beards
books.google.com/books?id=-yd1huHoXJwC&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=celts+took+rome+wondered+at+beards&source=bl&ots=oY-hIJeIt6&sig=9Gy-6l_c13B7Hf3fX4hgAZjn1AI&hl=en&ei=et81TauSFdHpgAfOp8zeCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
Assessment: That Celt could not believe that a man had a beard which means that at this time Celts are beardless and a man with a beard is a wonder to them and this is time they took Rome (circa 390 BC).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beard#Celts_and_Germanic_tribes
Later Germanics (whom Romans could not often differentiate from Celts) = thick beards. There must have been an enormous infusion of Greek blood (either directly via Greeks or via Romans whose language becomes celtized and turns into Latin) northwards in those several hundred years.
1) Lets look at major thinkers ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy ) with Hellenic appearance ( www.livius.org/gi-gr/greeks/philosophers.html ) (comparable to the busts of ancient Greek thinkers). Observe Greek specialties such as protruding square chin, nose in the middle of face, thick beards and serious demeanor.
compare to ancient Greeks
2) Now, lets look at major thinkers ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy ) with Greco-Roman appearance (comparable to the busts of ancient Romans). Observe Roman specialties such as gentler smaller roman chin, nose in the midpoint between eyebrows and chin, always shaven (as Romans did) and still serious demeanor.
compare to ancient Romans
( illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=physicalracialanthropologydiscussion&thread=32498&page=2 )
2nd. Since Abrahamic religion became official in Roman empire entire Europe has stagnated intellectually speaking - especially the western part where the church was far more brutal and far less tolerant towards other ideas (versus east en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Byzantine_inventions ) .
3rd. It is true that ancient Greece ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_technology ) was pinnacle of invention versus anything before and since then (since then it was primarily only adding to the already existent greco-roman scientific foundation) followed by Romans ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_technology ).
4th. The percentage of inventors (thinkers) versus entire population is minuscule at best (perhaps no more then 1-3 population is what I call thinkers). I believe that the percentage of these thinkers among ancient Greeks was perhaps higher then anywhere else judging by what they have done. My idea is that ancient Greeks (and therefore thinkers amongst them) have spread among Romans and then amongs later-date-Europeans. These people resurface in Renaissance and later in various parts of Europe that became intellectually semi-liberated. Majority of Greeks have lost identity (have become French, Italian, German) but their genes remain and their inventions are materialized. To understand more from where I am coming from look at the data bellow!
The Greeks were initially the most numerous with colonies all over the Mediterranean.
During the Archaic period, the population of Greece grew beyond the capacity of its limited arable land (according to one estimate, the population of ancient Greece increased by a factor larger than ten during the period from 800 BC to 400 BC, increasing from a population of 800,000 to a total estimated population of 10 to 13 million).[15]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece#Colonies
So Greece has on average 11.5 millions circa 500BC when entire world is estimated to have ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population_estimates ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/509%E2%80%93500_BC ) 100 million people.
13 million Greeks for 400AD when ( www.worldhistorysite.com/population.html ) percentage estimates for the world are following;
400AD
China : ......................27%......... (27 million)
India : ......................24%.........(24 million)
Other Asia: ................21%........(21 million)
Europe : .....................18%.........(18 million)
Africa : ........................7%........(7 million)
other: .........................3%........(3 million)
Exclude China, India and other (total 46% or 46 million) and we are left with 54 million. Persia must have been at least in the 20 million range and that leaves 34 million. Exclude Egypt and Phoenicians (including Punics or Carthaginians) and the remaining numbers drop to 20-25 million maximum. That means that half of these numbers are Greeks and this means entire Europe plus some other regions. It clearly says Europe 18 million and Greeks are 13 million so you do the math. Primitive Celts, Germanics and Balto-Slavic people of that time would not have been that numerous as I was saying all along. They (with Romans) absorbed scores of Greek populations which forgot their Greek identity and became sizable racial component of these new ethnicities.
Greeks are staggering 13 million when Europe has 18 million people
Appearance wise most of the European thinkers inventors from past 500 years have appearance comparable to ancient Greeks (one clue is thick beards which is something that early say Celts did not have as it was recorded into the first incursion into Rome itself before Rome became big).
compare!
Early Greeks = thick beards
Ancient Greece
A coin depicting a cleanly-shaven Alexander the Great
The ancient Greeks regarded the beard as a badge or sign of virility; in the Homeric epics it had almost sanctified significance, so that a common form of entreaty was to touch the beard of the person addressed.[8] It was only shaven as a sign of mourning, though in this case it was instead often left untrimmed. A smooth face was regarded as a sign of effeminacy.[9] The Spartans punished cowards by shaving off a portion of their beards. From the earliest times, however, the shaving of the upper lip was not uncommon. Greek beards were also frequently curled with tongs.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beard#Ancient_Greece
Now view this, early Celts = no beards
"A Celtic warrior, half in jest and half with wonder, began to stroke the beard of one of these patricians, and was immediately struck on the head by the old ..."
books.google.com/books?id=-yd1huHoXJwC&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=celts+took+rome+wondered+at+beards&source=bl&ots=oY-hIJeIt6&sig=9Gy-6l_c13B7Hf3fX4hgAZjn1AI&hl=en&ei=et81TauSFdHpgAfOp8zeCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
Assessment: That Celt could not believe that a man had a beard which means that at this time Celts are beardless and a man with a beard is a wonder to them and this is time they took Rome (circa 390 BC).
Celts and Germanic tribes
Late Hellenistic sculptures of Celts[20] portray them with long hair and mustaches but beardless.
Among the Celts of Scotland and Ireland men typically let their facial hair grow into a full circle of beard, and it was often seen as dishonourable for a Gaelic man to have no facial hair.[21][22][23]
Tacitus states that among the Catti, a Germanic tribe (perhaps the Chatten), a young man was not allowed to shave or cut his hair until he had slain an enemy. The Lombards derived their fame from the great length of their beards (Longobards – Long Beards – Langbärte). When Otto the Great said anything serious, he swore by his beard, which covered his breast.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beard#Celts_and_Germanic_tribes
Later Germanics (whom Romans could not often differentiate from Celts) = thick beards. There must have been an enormous infusion of Greek blood (either directly via Greeks or via Romans whose language becomes celtized and turns into Latin) northwards in those several hundred years.
1) Lets look at major thinkers ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy ) with Hellenic appearance ( www.livius.org/gi-gr/greeks/philosophers.html ) (comparable to the busts of ancient Greek thinkers). Observe Greek specialties such as protruding square chin, nose in the middle of face, thick beards and serious demeanor.
compare to ancient Greeks
2) Now, lets look at major thinkers ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy ) with Greco-Roman appearance (comparable to the busts of ancient Romans). Observe Roman specialties such as gentler smaller roman chin, nose in the midpoint between eyebrows and chin, always shaven (as Romans did) and still serious demeanor.
compare to ancient Romans