Sokol
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Post by Sokol on Oct 4, 2011 22:55:28 GMT -5
I have stumbled on the below figures for religious denomination in Albania. Is this correct? I thought Muslims were a much higher percentage. Quote: Muslim 38.8%Christian 35.4%Roman Catholics 16.8% Orthodox 16.1% Protestant 0.6% Indeptndent 0.6% Nonreligious 16.6% Atheist 9.0% Bahai' 0.2% religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/nationprofiles/Albania/rbodies.htmlSource: *Source: World Christian Encyclopedia, 2001, Oxford University Press. Vol 1: p 51
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 4, 2011 23:18:15 GMT -5
I thought they were majority Atheist? But according to the CIA world factbook it's:
Muslim 70%, Albanian Orthodox 20%, Roman Catholic 10%
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Post by Anittas on Oct 4, 2011 23:19:07 GMT -5
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Post by Anittas on Oct 4, 2011 23:19:44 GMT -5
I thought they were majority Atheist? But according to the CIA world factbook it's: Muslim 70%, Albanian Orthodox 20%, Roman Catholic 10% Dang. You beat me to it by one-minute difference.
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 5, 2011 2:17:00 GMT -5
^I thought the Soviet Union was the first Atheist state.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 2:30:52 GMT -5
I could be wrong about this, I didn't check any recent sources. But if I remember my history correctly, Uncle Stalin kept the orthodox church close to his chest, even if not officially, because it was still instrumental in controlling the minds of the poor Russian serfs, the poor muzhiks, but Albania was the first officially atheist state, it was in our constitution, and ruthlessly so.
But I have no doubt that it Soviet-inspired, like so much else. Just the other weekend, I was at my friend's parents house, Bjellorussians, and we were finding so much in common culturally because of the Albanian alignment with the Soviets.
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 5, 2011 2:35:01 GMT -5
Are Russians more friendly to Belorussians or Serbians?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 2:37:09 GMT -5
Biellorussians would be my guess, but I haven't caught up with the latest in geopolitics.
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Post by Anittas on Oct 5, 2011 4:35:35 GMT -5
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Post by odel on Oct 5, 2011 4:59:26 GMT -5
The Soviet Union never banned religion and as Thelema said while officially religion was a bad thing the Communists used the Orthodox church because the Orthodox church was strongly rooted in Russia. The Orthodox church has a long history of cooperating with anyone just as to survive and to keep their influence. That's one of the reasons some people in the Balkans held their religion despite the Ottomans having control.
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Post by Anittas on Oct 5, 2011 5:22:28 GMT -5
The Soviet Union never banned religion and as Thelema said while officially religion was a bad thing the Communists used the Orthodox church because the Orthodox church was strongly rooted in Russia. The Orthodox church has a long history of cooperating with anyone just as to survive and to keep their influence. That's one of the reasons some people in the Balkans held their religion despite the Ottomans having control. To be an atheist state, you don't have to ban religion. From what I read, an atheist state tries to promote atheism. That the Soviet Union tried to be on a "good foot" with the Othodox Church was about having control, not respecting the traditions of the country. One way or another, Albania was not the first atheist state. It might have been the first atheist state that made Atheism the official state policy--as that other guy mentioned it.
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Post by odel on Oct 5, 2011 5:42:51 GMT -5
To be an atheist state, you don't have to ban religion. From what I read, an atheist state tries to promote atheism. That the Soviet Union tried to be on a "good foot" with the Othodox Church was about having control, not respecting the traditions of the country. One way or another, Albania was not the first atheist state. It might have been the first atheist state that made Atheism the official state policy--as that other guy mentioned it. I don't really think Albania was the first atheist state either, however it was the first state to officially declare itself as one and to officially ban religion. If Albania wasn't the first atheist state I think it can at least be said that it was the most atheistic state. I just mentioned religion in the Soviet Union as a historical curiosity.
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Post by Anittas on Oct 5, 2011 5:50:45 GMT -5
Well, I don't know if banning religion makes it more atheistic. Perhaps anti-theistic.
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Post by socio on Oct 5, 2011 6:02:26 GMT -5
^ Who gives a s**t !
Albanian is not religious at all ... we leave that s**t to our neighbours.
Ask any albanian, what is your religion ?
He will answer: Albanian
and then you ask him again ...
no, no I meant what is your religion ?!!
and he will answer again:
Albanian bre, Albanian !!
;D
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Post by Anittas on Oct 5, 2011 6:03:42 GMT -5
What about the Kosovarës? What will they reply if one asks them that question?
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Post by socio on Oct 5, 2011 6:08:02 GMT -5
^ I am from Kosova, and there is one Albanian nation.
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Post by Anittas on Oct 5, 2011 6:10:06 GMT -5
Okay, because a good portion of the Kosovarës I met are religious. They can also be a bit rude and uncultivated, but that's a different discussion. One I'd be glad to undertake.
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Post by odel on Oct 5, 2011 6:29:16 GMT -5
Okay, because a good portion of the Kosovarës I met are religious. They can also be a bit rude and uncultivated, but that's a different discussion. One I'd be glad to undertake. Theism amongst Kosovars is more of a recent phenomenon. People have suddenly started becoming religious, mostly they are younger people or born again Muslims. It's interesting to see people whose parents are atheist/agnostic becoming theists all of a sudden, naturally one would expect it to be the opposite. In my opinion that development is non-progressive. A lot of those who claim to be religious are completely ignorant and usually just claim to be so because they believe in god and don't eat pork. Anyways, could you elaborate a little more on this?
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Post by Anittas on Oct 5, 2011 10:17:58 GMT -5
What would you like me to elaborate on? On my impression of Kosovarës being rude and uncivil? I met quite a few that are like that. I've also heard of Kosovarës treating Serbs badly, even Serbs, or individuals of partial Serb ancestry who took a neutral stand in the conflict.
My latest experience with Kosovarës left me with a bitter taste in my mouth. They didn't hurt me or anything, but just witnessing their stupidity made me sick. I almost vomited. You should've seen how these Kosovarës behaved when they were in a group: they have this pack behaviour where they speak loudly without considering their surrounding. When they address you, they demand things--as if the whole world is their KosovA.
There's more, but I think I'll stop here. I will say, though, that I've met many nice and sweet Albanians, but they were from Macedonia and Albania. It's just the Kosovarës that are bad apples. I'm sure there are exceptions. Donnie is a Kosovarë and he's alright. He's nothing fancy or anything, but at least he says hello from time to time.
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Post by odel on Oct 5, 2011 10:29:59 GMT -5
What would you like me to elaborate on? Both your impression of Kosovars as rude and uncivil (as you already have) and Kosovars and religion. Where did you meet these Kosovars and etc?
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