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Post by uz on Oct 14, 2011 16:55:21 GMT -5
" If I could convince both sides to stop killing their own people for CNN, perhaps we could have a ceasefire."Major-General Lewis MacKenzie United Nations Protection Force Sarajevo, July 1992 MacKenzie was born in Truro, Nova Scotia the son of Eugene MacKenzie and Shirley nee Wharton and raised in nearby Princeport. He is named after his great uncle, Liverpool, Nova Scotia schooner captain Lewis Wharton. MacKenzie's forefather Israel Wharton fought as a United Empire Loyalist in the American Revolutionary War, taking part in the Battle of Waxhaws. Israel subsequently settled in the Liverpool area."In February 1992 MacKenzie was named chief of staff of the United Nations peacekeeping force in former Yugoslavia, tasked with supervising the cease-fire in Croatia. The force headquarters were located in Sarajevo, the capital of Bosnia and Herzegovina. In April 1992 the Bosnian war broke out. MacKenzie created and assumed command of the peacekeeping force's Sector Sarajevo in May 1992. He used his UN force to open Sarajevo Airport for the delivery of humanitarian aid. Using the media as a means of trying to help restore peace MacKenzie became an international celebrity.""Evidence given at The Hague war crimes tribunal casts serious doubt on the figure of "up to" 8,000 Bosnian Muslims massacred. That figure includes "up to" 5,000 who have been classified as missing. More than 2,000 bodies have been recovered in and around Srebrenica, and they include victims of the three years of intense fighting in the area. The math just doesn't support the scale of 8,000 killed""It's a distasteful point, but it has to be said that, if you're committing genocide, you don't let the women go since they are key to perpetuating the very group you are trying to eliminate. Many of the men and boys were executed and buried in mass graves.""It didn't take long for the Bosnian Muslims to realize that the UN was in no position to live up to its promise to "protect" Srebrenica. With some help from outsiders, they began to infiltrate thousands of fighters and weapons into the safe haven. As the Bosnian Muslim fighters became better equipped and trained, they started to venture outside Srebrenica, burning Serb villages and killing their occupants before quickly withdrawing to the security provided by the UN's safe haven. These attacks reached a crescendo in 1994 and carried on into early 1995 after the Canadian infantry company that had been there for a year was replaced by a larger Dutch contingent."Canadian General Lewis Mackenzie, who insisted that "it was not a black-and-white picture and that 'bad' buys had not killed 'good' guys. The situation was far more complex" (Globe & Mail, July 15, 2005). General Lewis Mackenzie has stated that "evidence to date suggests that he (Naser Oric, a Bosnian Muslim commander in Srebrenica) was responsible for killing as many Serb civilians outside Srebrenica as the Bosnian Serb army was for massacring Bosnian Muslims inside the town." Stankovic and the Serb authorities could never get the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) or Western media interested in these massacres.-------------------------- This is a great read for anyone interested in learning more;
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Post by derk on Oct 14, 2011 16:58:45 GMT -5
hmmmmmm... and the point of this whole thing is...?
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Post by uz on Oct 14, 2011 17:04:02 GMT -5
Freedom of speech, saving of democracy, and representation of minoritial perspectives.
You should know all about that champ.
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Post by uz on Oct 14, 2011 17:20:49 GMT -5
We bombed the wrong side? THE NATIONAL POST (Canada) ^ | 2004-04-06 | Maj-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:54:40 PM by DTAFive years ago our television screens were dominated by pictures of Kosovo-Albanian refugees escaping across Kosovo's borders to the sanctuaries of Macedonia and Albania. Shrill reports indicated that Slobodan Milosevic's security forces were conducting a campaign of genocide and that at least 100,000 Kosovo-Albanians had been exterminated and buried in mass graves throughout the Serbian province. NATO sprung into action and, in spite of the fact no member nation of the alliance was threatened, commenced bombing not only Kosovo, but the infrastructure and population of Serbia itself -- without the authorizing United Nations resolution so revered by Canadian leadership, past and present.- Totally ignored in North America were the numerous statements from impartial sources that said there was no incident between the Serbs, the dog and the Albanian boys. NATO Police spokesman Derek Chappell stated on March 16 that it was "definitely not true" that the boys had been chased into the river by Serbs. Chappell went on to say that the surviving boy had told his parents that they had entered the river alone and that three of his friends had been swept away by the current. Admiral Gregory Johnson, the overall NATO commander, further stated that the ensuing clashes were "orchestrated and well-planned ethnic cleansing" by the Kosovo-Albanians. Those Serbs forced to leave joined the 200,000 who had been cleansed from the province since NATO's "humanitarian" bombing in 1999. The '"cleansees" have become very effective "cleansers." - Since the NATO/UN intervention in 1999, Kosovo has become the crime capital of Europe. The sex slave trade is flourishing. The province has become an invaluable transit point for drugs en route to Europe and North America. Ironically, the majority of the drugs come from another state "liberated" by the West, Afghanistan. Members of the demobilized, but not eliminated, KLA are intimately involved in organized crime and the government. The UN police arrest a small percentage of those involved in criminal activities and turn them over to a judiciary with a revolving door that responds to bribes and coercion. The objective of the Albanians is to purge all non-Albanians, including the international community's representatives, from Kosovo and ultimately link up with mother Albania thereby achieving the goal of "Greater Albania." The campaign started with their attacks on Serbian security forces in the early 1990s and they were successful in turning Milosevic's heavy-handed response into worldwide sympathy for their cause. There was no genocide as claimed by the West -- the 100,000 allegedly buried in mass graves turned out to be around 2,000, of all ethnic origins, including those killed in combat during the war itself. www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1112681/postsThe Real Story Behind Srebrenica www.transnational.org/SAJT/features/2005/MacKenzie_Srebrenica.html
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Post by missanthropology58 on Oct 14, 2011 17:28:43 GMT -5
hmmmmmm... and the point of this whole thing is...? White guys are sexy, yup!
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Post by uz on Oct 14, 2011 18:13:01 GMT -5
The U.S. Can't Blame Serbia for Everything The West helped kill Yugoslavia, and now crazily edges toward intervention.Los Angeles Times (pre-1997 Fulltext) - Los Angeles, Calif. Author: ALEXANDER c**kBURN Date: Feb 14, 1993 "So there's plenty of culpability for the current disaster beyond the Serbs. There were the extortions of the bankers, the ploys of U.S. politicians, the sleepless fanaticism of exiles remembering the glories of the wartime puppet Nazi republic of Croatia, now reborn under Franjo Tudjman." "Bill Clinton is already ankle-deep in the Balkan quagmire. During his campaign, he fanned Croat and Bosnian expectations with reckless language about air strikes against Serbian positions. Now he and Secretary of State Warren Christopher, have made a surprise U-turn and supported the peace plan drawn up by mediators Cyrus Vance and David Owen. The map of Bosnia laboriously brokered by Vance and Owen might be backed by a NATO force with significant U.S. participation." --- Croatian Canadians jeer at generalThe Hamilton Spectator - Hamilton, Ont. Date: Aug 17, 1992 Angry Croats gathered for a religious festival in suburban Toronto jeered at Gen. [Lewis MacKenzie]'s name and demanded the United Nations "destroy" the Serbian army.
Gen. MacKenzie, regarded as a hero by many Canadians for his leadership of UN forces in the Bosnian capital of Sarajevo, has said he doesn't believe military action will end the war in Bosnia- Herzegovina.
He has also, since his return from Sarajevo, refused to blame the Serbian army, which is battling Croat and Muslim forces--- UN should leave Bosnia until NATO creates peaceThe Hamilton Spectator - Hamilton, Ont. Author: RORY LEISHMAN Date: Jan 7, 1994 Major-General Lewis MacKenzie has been no less emphatic in his criticism of the ill-conceived UNPROFOR operation. Shortly before retiring from the Canadian armed forces last February, he warned: "Countries don't give their troops to the UN in trust to be killed trying to implement a really lousy ceasefire agreement arranged by a bunch of diplomats and politicians. That's what's happening in Yugoslavia."-- Canada recognizes independent Kosovo Retired Canadian general Lewis MacKenzie, who commanded UN troops during the Bosnian war of 1992, had a similar opinion.
He said Kosovo is a failed state run by people who at one time could be considered criminal.
"The independence movement (in Kosovo), at least the violent aspect, was started by the KLA which was a terrorist organization at the time.
"I don't think this is the way to earn independence under international law, particularly when you're not economically capable of existing as a nation without massive handouts."www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/article673601.ece-- Srebrenica: Prolonging the wounds of warArticle 20 July 2005 (Spiked Politics) Major-general Lewis MacKenzie, the first commander of UN peacekeeping forces in Sarajevo, suggests that 'evidence to date suggests that he was responsible for killing as many Serb civilians outside Srebrenica as the Bosnian Serb army was for massacring Bosnian Muslims inside the town' (5). A Belgrade newspaper recently published a 16-page supplement entitled 'The Book of the Dead', listing 3,287 Serbs from the Srebrenica region who died during the Bosnian war. For the families of the Serbs lost in the conflict, they do not deserve any lesser status as victims "Those least engaged socially with Bosnian life are most vocal about the war" www.spiked-online.com/articles/0000000CAC9B.htm
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 14, 2011 21:21:36 GMT -5
Thug life, yo.
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Post by uz on Oct 14, 2011 21:38:55 GMT -5
He is boss. At a book signing event in Toronto, a bunch of Ustasa supporters were waving their flags threatening to jump him, he dropped what he was doing, got up and went out to challenge them, his body-guards had to hold him back. He even told them what hotel he was staying at, and at what time to meet him. The guy is 5'5, but when he speaks he's a beast, and everyone listens.
The Ustasa supporters eventually got chased away by Serbs, mostly by the ones' in the lineup waiting to shake his hand.
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 14, 2011 21:41:50 GMT -5
He is boss. At a book signing event in Toronto, a bunch of Ustasa supporters were waving their flags threatening to jump him, he dropped what he was doing, got up and went out to challenge them, his body-guards had to hold him back. He even told them what hotel he was staying at, and at what time to meet him. The guy is 5'5, but when he speaks he's a beast. The Ustasa supporters eventually got chased away by Serbs, mostly by the ones' in the lineup waiting to shake his hand. The guys a soldier, I wouldn't expect to him act any other way. And why would there be Ustasha supporters there?
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 14, 2011 21:42:13 GMT -5
Also, why do Serbs love him? I thought he was part of some conspiracy against the Serbs?
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Post by uz on Oct 14, 2011 21:43:00 GMT -5
The answers to your questions are in the above posts.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 15, 2011 0:09:35 GMT -5
The denial of jerk and the madman (napoleon) are killing me lol
McKenzy rules, but i wonder how they still keep him alive. Maybe to create the illusion of freedom of speech?
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Post by derk on Oct 15, 2011 7:27:15 GMT -5
OMG, the instigator doesn't like us...
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Oct 15, 2011 9:16:49 GMT -5
MacKinzie is a westerner that accepts the Serbian narrative events. They are not the norm but they do exist. Uz is basically saying here is a western military general that agrees more with the Serbian side so everything the Serbs say about it must be true and accurate ! It's ok. Let them praise their supporters ( however few they are). Nothing wrong with that.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Oct 15, 2011 9:18:07 GMT -5
We did the same with Col. Charles Shraeder who agreed mostly with the Croatian POV regarding Bosnia ( Central Bosnia more specifically).
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Post by uz on Oct 16, 2011 12:15:36 GMT -5
^
Nice attempt there Priso, but your attack at my "motive" hasn't scratched to tip of the surface as to what this thread really is about.
If you knew anything about MacKenzie, you'd know very well that he is not a Serb narrative, in fact he isn't pro-Serb at all.
His main premise is that the media played games during the war only showing Croat and Boslim victims, when he in fact witnessed (along with many others), the equal calibre of attrocities made against Serbs.
His entire carreer was threatened b/c he was calling out this injustice. He eventually got sent home because of his heavy criticism of the UN. Yet he came back to Canada has a national hero being awarded the Meritorious Service Cross.
He is an example to all Canadians, of what Canadian peacekeeping should be about, he got shun for it by his superiors but the entire Canadian nation and her people recognize him and honor him.
Who you kiddin here, this is what got you to tick aint it?;
"So there's plenty of culpability for the current disaster beyond the Serbs. There were the extortions of the bankers, the ploys of U.S. politicians, the sleepless fanaticism of exiles remembering the glories of the wartime puppet Nazi republic of Croatia, now reborn under Franjo Tudjman." - Major-General Lewis MacKenzie
ps; Major-General Lewis MacKenzie was Cheif of Staff of the United Nations peacekeeping force in Yugoslavia, stationed in Sarajevo.
Your Col. Charles Shraeder is a puppy compared to this guy.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 16, 2011 12:27:56 GMT -5
UZ, the NWO has managed to create a "detection/evaluation system" under which anything "neutral" is tagged as pro-serb. Same thing everywhere. This system was built on the principle of endless repetition. It's a well known technique documented by many smart scholars.
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Post by uz on Oct 16, 2011 12:36:29 GMT -5
You're right; A neutral-stance is the "incorrect" stance, or better yet "politically-incorrect" stance.
^ This is key for manipulating public-opinion.
Canada is not like the USA, I've mentioned before here that many Canadians haven't fell for the propaganda trick, we have a different machine here.
Too many Canadians love him, epecially in the West-coast. He's seen on tv fairly often giving inputs and "expert" opinions on global-conflicts. He's fair and has the no-nonsense attitude that all Anglo-saxons adore, even us Serbs.
Even today he writes collumns in local newspapers across the country. He critizes the UN all the time, while taking pride in his past experiences.
Lewis MacKenzie could've gone even further in his accusations, but I guess he played it smart for his own sake. He was even mentioned to be one of many witness' Milosevic was going to call up in the Hague, back of the line behind Clinton, Wesley Clark, Allbright, Tony Blair,, etc.. Too bad Milosevic got murdered, it would have been a great show to watch.
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 16, 2011 16:06:00 GMT -5
NWO? Ok, you guys need to start thinking a little more logically here.
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Post by uz on Oct 16, 2011 16:25:44 GMT -5
^
Read:
"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."-
Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets --
“Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world (NWO), if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
- David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405 --
"We are on the verge of*global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
-David Rockefeller
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years... It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
- David Rockefeller, Bilderberg Meeting, June 1991 Baden, Germany --
In his speech before the G20 (2009), British Prime Minister Gordon Brown lauded the agreement reached and declared, "The New World Order is emerging."--
"This is Collective action, people working together at their best...I think the New World Order IS emerging, and with it the foundations of a new and progressive era of international cooperation...From today we will together manage the process of globalization....To secure responsibility from all and fairness to all."
-British Prime Minister Gordon Brown
So illogical, eh Naps?
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