ioan
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Post by ioan on Sept 8, 2008 13:15:31 GMT -5
So? I havent put the Romanians because we are talking about the Thracians (Bessi, Moesians, Tribally etc.) and NOT the Dacians. So were the Thracians slavised, hellenized or turkisized? I vote for the Bulgarians because: the most Thracian tribes lived on Bulgarian land the Thracian traditions are still alive most Thracian artefacts are found in the Bulgarian lands. But I also think they were hellenized and turkisized in the south. In this case, numbers win!
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Post by srbobran on Sept 10, 2008 22:11:40 GMT -5
Bulgarians are probably the descendants of the Thracians. However, Serbs are certainly in part Thracian although majority Illyrian (Thraco-Illyric). Interestingly, Serbs, Vardarskians, and Bulgarians are almost identical according to genetics. Look at this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_by_ethnic_groups
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Post by ioan on Sept 11, 2008 12:37:51 GMT -5
I think u have generally Ilirian, though on northeast - Tribalian blood and the Tribally were Thracian tribe. Fyrom (southwest Bulgarians) must have Peonian blood and the Peonians were most probably Thracians too.
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Post by adolfmussolini on Sept 11, 2008 17:16:36 GMT -5
Romanians and Albanians are descendants of Thracians Serbs and Bulgarians are slavs, Greeks and Turks are the same so I don't know where they came from, probably Mongolia
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Post by adolfmussolini on Sept 11, 2008 17:23:13 GMT -5
uneducated peasants, your origins(Serbs and Bulgarians) are in Russia and the Ukraine and before that IRAN Thracians, Illyrians, and Dacians were all related and the descendants of these are Albanians and Romanians ONLY
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Post by ioan on Sept 11, 2008 22:29:19 GMT -5
Albanians are thought to be Illyrian descedants, NOT Thracian. Even IF Thracians and Illyrians were related they were NOT the same. So u are not Thracian descedant. Second, the Romanians are descedants of the Dacians, who are northern branch of the Thracians, BUT the Dacians are just part of the Thracians, not all Thracians. There were lots of Thracian tribes living in the teritory of Bulgaria and most probably not all of them were romanized/hellenized (same with the Illyrians, otherwise u Albanians wouldnt exist). Genetically the Thracians contributed the most to the Bulgarian nation, so that means the Thracians in Bulgarian teritory were slaviced. The Serbs are deffinately descedants of Illyrians (and in a way of Thracians), even though they were slavised. As with the Bulgarians, the locals heavily mixed with the slavs. Same thing happened in Albania. Proove? The names of the places are mostly Slavic.
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Post by adolfmussolini on Sept 14, 2008 15:10:07 GMT -5
Albanians are thought to be Illyrian descedants, NOT Thracian. Even IF Thracians and Illyrians were related they were NOT the same. So u are not Thracian descedant. Second, the Romanians are descedants of the Dacians, who are northern branch of the Thracians, BUT the Dacians are just part of the Thracians, not all Thracians. There were lots of Thracian tribes living in the teritory of Bulgaria and most probably not all of them were romanized/hellenized (same with the Illyrians, otherwise u Albanians wouldnt exist). Genetically the Thracians contributed the most to the Bulgarian nation, so that means the Thracians in Bulgarian teritory were slaviced. The Serbs are deffinately descedants of Illyrians (and in a way of Thracians), even though they were slavised. As with the Bulgarians, the locals heavily mixed with the slavs. Same thing happened in Albania. Proove? The names of the places are mostly Slavic. Albanians are Thraco-Illyrian and Romanians are Dacians and Thracians as well. Bulgarians and Serbs are slavic that's all, your origins are in Russia and the Ukraine, and before that Iran. Everyone was -ized at some point, but Bulgarians and Serbs are still slavs, not Illyrians. Slavs will never be Illyrian or vica versa.
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Post by benzino on Sept 26, 2008 15:40:03 GMT -5
Thracians are Rumanias (Dacia) , not bulgarian or slavic or turk
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Post by tsompanos on Sept 29, 2008 21:42:55 GMT -5
Romanians and Albanians are descendants of Thracians Serbs and Bulgarians are slavs, Greeks and Turks are the same so I don't know where they came from, probably Mongolia greeks and turks are not the same....
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Post by tsompanos on Sept 29, 2008 21:49:22 GMT -5
All you have to do is go out in Bulgaria , Albania , Fyrom , Turkey and some places in south Romania and see what language those ancient stones are written in ;D
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Post by c0gnate on Sept 29, 2008 22:25:31 GMT -5
Bulgarians are Thracians. Thracians are Serbs. Serbs are Illyrians. Illyrians are Albanians. Albanians are Turks. Turks are Greeks. Moesians are Romanians. Romanians are Iazyges.
Only Vlachs are Vlachs.
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Post by adolfmussolini on Sept 29, 2008 22:32:15 GMT -5
All you have to do is go out in Bulgaria , Albania , Fyrom , Turkey and some places in south Romania and see what language those ancient stones are written in ;D Japanese? ;D
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Post by adolfmussolini on Sept 29, 2008 22:33:06 GMT -5
Bulgarians are Thracians. Thracians are Serbs. Serbs are Illyrians. Illyrians are Albanians. Albanians are Turks. Turks are Greeks. Moesians are Romanians. Romanians are Iazyges. Only Vlachs are Vlachs. Vlachs are confused and annoying.
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Post by tsompanos on Sept 29, 2008 22:38:18 GMT -5
All you have to do is go out in Bulgaria , Albania , Fyrom , Turkey and some places in south Romania and see what language those ancient stones are written in ;D Japanese? ;D exactly in reality thracians are ancient balkan samurais
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Post by adolfmussolini on Sept 30, 2008 20:43:49 GMT -5
^^haha yea everyone in the balkans was a samurai at one point
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 25, 2008 16:03:05 GMT -5
Ioan, 12 points for that! We are mostly of local, Thracian descent.
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Post by White-Knight on Dec 13, 2008 17:11:13 GMT -5
The bulgarians i think,but the thracian blood is nearly vanquished.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Dec 16, 2008 3:54:09 GMT -5
all of the above + some fyromians, and southern romanians
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Post by tyson on Dec 17, 2008 7:34:34 GMT -5
this map roughly corresponds to where certain indigenous peoples were living in serbia and its neighbors before the slavic and vlach migrations.
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Post by bb681 on Jan 3, 2009 2:42:54 GMT -5
The Bulgarians are thought to be the closest possible but, how close, is still a matter of debate. The official opinion therefore normally calls the Thracians with the rather neutral "the earlier inhabitants of the Bulgarian lands" which could mean anything.
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