Hellenas
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Post by Hellenas on Mar 5, 2012 21:53:30 GMT -5
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Hellenas
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Post by Hellenas on Mar 5, 2012 22:04:13 GMT -5
As a Greek I can just now say I am Hellenic, Albanian, Bulgarian, Turkish, Roman, Italian, Arab etc... And say I am their descendant. Greeks descend mostly by Ancient Greeks and belong to the Hellenic race of Aegeans(and of Epirotics), at least that's what modern science says, the prementioned people are just ethnicities not races and most of them are partially of Greek DNA. Genetic & racial kinship of Greeks with Gheg-Albanians, Slavo-Bulgarians, Anatolian-Turks and Arabic-Middle Easterns is ALMOST non-existent and insignificant.
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Post by bowandarrow on Mar 6, 2012 2:12:07 GMT -5
As a Greek I can just now say I am Hellenic, Albanian, Bulgarian, Turkish, Roman, Italian, Arab etc... And say I am their descendant. Greeks descend mostly by Ancient Greeks and belong to the Hellenic race of Aegeans(and of Epirotics), at least that's what modern science says, the prementioned people are just ethnicities not races and most of them are partially of Greek DNA. Genetic & racial kinship of Greeks with Gheg-Albanians, Slavo-Bulgarians, Anatolian-Turks and Arabic-Middle Easterns is ALMOST non-existent and insignificant. You mean Southern Anatolians. Western Anatolian Turks are Thracians too, remember? Minus Eastern Thrace.
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Hellenas
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Post by Hellenas on Mar 6, 2012 22:07:01 GMT -5
bowandarrow I mean eastern Anatolian-Turks, those who have nothing to do with Greeks and Europe, not western-Turks who mostly are of paleo-Greek(Pelasgian) and of recent-Greek (Ionian/Micrasiatic and Pontic/Micrasiatic) origin. And don't forget, modern Turks are 40% genetically Europeans. Anatolian Turkish Genetics: Abstracts and Summaries.Principal component (PC) analysis reveals a significant overlap between Turks and Middle Easterners and a relationship with Europeans and South and Central Asians;For example, supervised STRUCTURE (K= 3) illustrates a genetic ancestry for the Turks of 45% Middle Eastern (95% CI, 42-49), 40% European (95% CI, 36-44) and 15% Central Asian (95% CI, 13-16), whereas at K= 4 the genetic ancestry of the Turks was 38% European (95% CI, 35-42), 35% Middle Eastern (95% CI, 33-38), 18% South Asian (95% CI, 16-19) and 9% Central Asian (95% CI, 7-11). www.khazaria.com/genetics/anatolian-turks.html
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Post by ioan on Mar 7, 2012 5:13:36 GMT -5
I like the Greeks and I think they have alot of reasons in their history to be proud of. The Thracians, however, are not among them in my oppinion. Thracian hertitage can be claimed by the Northeastern Greeks and Northeastern Greece was always the place where the Greeks were less numerous.
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Post by bowandarrow on Mar 7, 2012 6:58:16 GMT -5
bowandarrow I mean eastern Anatolian-Turks, those who have nothing to do with Greeks and Europe, not western-Turks who mostly are of paleo-Greek(Pelasgian) and of recent-Greek (Ionian/Micrasiatic and Pontic/Micrasiatic) origin. And don't forget, modern Turks are 40% genetically Europeans. Anatolian Turkish Genetics: Abstracts and Summaries.Principal component (PC) analysis reveals a significant overlap between Turks and Middle Easterners and a relationship with Europeans and South and Central Asians;For example, supervised STRUCTURE (K= 3) illustrates a genetic ancestry for the Turks of 45% Middle Eastern (95% CI, 42-49), 40% European (95% CI, 36-44) and 15% Central Asian (95% CI, 13-16), whereas at K= 4 the genetic ancestry of the Turks was 38% European (95% CI, 35-42), 35% Middle Eastern (95% CI, 33-38), 18% South Asian (95% CI, 16-19) and 9% Central Asian (95% CI, 7-11). www.khazaria.com/genetics/anatolian-turks.htmlYes, I agree.
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Post by Protospatha on Jun 27, 2012 12:36:33 GMT -5
Hi everyone, this is my first post.
Well, few days ago I discovered that my surname could be of Thracian origins and comes from the name "Pàsaros". It was found only in Thrace (or Macedonia) and Asia Minor, in no other Hellenic region/land, so I design myself as " hellenized Thracian". My family was thought to be of noble Byzantine origins, and came from Asia Minor, then in 1555 it was present in Amorgos and circa at the same time it appeared in Italy (where I live). I'm of relatively recent origin here in Italy, after what I know from sources, and I feel more Hellenic than Italian.
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albascorp
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Post by albascorp on Jun 27, 2012 13:36:30 GMT -5
trachians would be bulgars/illyrians
but bulgaria got colonized by serbs and slavenized so only few real trachians are in bulgaria
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Post by Protospatha on Jun 27, 2012 14:26:49 GMT -5
trachians would be bulgars/illyrians but bulgaria got colonized by serbs and slavenized so only few real trachians are in bulgaria And most of the few remnants of the real Thracians is in the South of Bulgaria.
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Post by Protospatha on Jun 28, 2012 5:56:03 GMT -5
Without counting the scattered Thracian families all around the Hellenic world (this is my case). Thracian names were found as far as Egypt/Cyrenaica (due to the Macedonian conquest), Asia Minor (where my ancestors lived) and even Southern Italy (where I live now).
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Post by bowandarrow on Jun 29, 2012 2:01:10 GMT -5
Post pictures of Thracian men.
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