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Post by adolfkarderi on Jan 4, 2009 19:47:45 GMT -5
hey HIGHDIKE i'm just going to copy and paste this is waht a Greek guy wrote aobut Albanians origins if u want i can give u the link sorry but your kind is the invader in the balkans Dardania is a pure Albanian word. In any case if you ask my opinion about Albanians, I believe they first descend from Illyrians and then from Dacians. To be honest, there are more Dacian words that cognate with Albanian, than Illyrian. If that theory is correct, then you could be some non-Latinized cousins of the Romanians. As for the Pelasgians etc etc, it is agreed that it’s a deprecated term. Ancient historians are not clear about them since they connect Ionians, Arcadians, Argeads, Kynourians, Elatians, Ellopians etc with Pelasgians. They can never decide actually...However, the only people that used that name in real life were a group of Thessalians. If you think about it, the earliest neolithic cultures in the Balkan are to be found around Thessaly. According to Renfrew, the people from Anatolia who settled in Thessaly were the ones who brought farming to the Balkans and from them came the first Greek speaking people. However, Renfrew is kinda too optimistic but he has some points. Whatever, people wish to think, the first settlers in Greece came from Anatolia. The Minoans, the Dimini cultures etc were Anatolian according to recent genetics. Those are obviously the people that ancient authors call "Pelasgian". With the clash between these people and the palaiobalkanic invaders from north, the Kurgan Hum cultures were formed and in the end the Kurgan Hum II culture is what evolved into proto-Greek, while the rest probably formed the proto-Phygian and proto-Armenian groups. The Illyrians, started their Balkan invation around 1600BC and bordered the Greeks between 1100 and 900 BC. Their early material culture belongs to the Hallstatt group of people, a cousin to the Celts. Later ofcourse, the material culture of the Illyrians comes close to both Greek and Thracian.
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Post by highduke on Jan 4, 2009 20:03:32 GMT -5
Please, no more unreferenced opinions from amateurs with no training in history. be patient
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Post by rebelyell on Jan 4, 2009 20:35:59 GMT -5
Albanian was proven over a 150 years ago to be an Indo-European language by actual scholars. Chechen is not an Indo-European language. You're an idiot.
But let's take a different approach. Everyone (except maybe you) knows Albanian has a huge amount of Latin-derived words in its vocabularly. Exactly how many I don't think anyone knows for certain, but it's a lot. The logical explanation for this would be that the ancestors of Albanians lived under the Roman Empire for centuries and obviously absorbed much Latin. This process would have taken centuries. But according to you, Albanians were imported from the Caucasus in the 12th century and placed in Albania (I think you say in Northern Epirus?), long after the Roman Empire (and to a degree Latin) had died out. Then how did the Albanian language absorb so much Latin vocabulary all the way out in the Caucasus? And how do you explain the links between certain Albanian and Romanian words which are not of Latin origin?
Better stick to planting your tobacco crops bud...
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Post by highduke on Jan 4, 2009 21:16:38 GMT -5
In the 19th century, Alb & Chechen languages were not well known & today with lightning-speed search engines, it doesnt take years & years of leafing through dictionaries to find cognates, so today we can verify the Caucasian theory with accuracy & efficiency that wasnt possible in the 19th cent. when the Caucasian theory was first advanced. The Glosary, besides pers. turk. & arab. languages, will also be translated in lat. & grk. to end all doubt. I will post it on JAN 7TH
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Post by kasso on Jan 4, 2009 22:28:18 GMT -5
Yet HD, no actual scholar in the 20th & 21th century support your thesis! If the Albanian language is not of indo-european origin, I can guarantee you that someone would confirm it long before you. So don't come with pure invented arguments such as "lightning-speed search engines".
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Post by highduke on Jan 5, 2009 7:41:03 GMT -5
Nobody supports the thesis because nobody has bothered to do research yet, because the availability of on-line dictionaries in chechen is not more than 3 years old. Somebody's got to pop the cherry & yeah, its me lol
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Post by highduke on Jan 5, 2009 8:30:25 GMT -5
I AM DELAYING PUBLICATION TO ENSURE HIGHER QUALITY BY TRANSLATING THE GLOSSARY INTO GREEK & LATIN
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Post by libofshe on Jan 5, 2009 8:37:29 GMT -5
care to give us a rough estimate? ETA is you please.
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Post by highduke on Jan 5, 2009 11:47:33 GMT -5
The research will premier on Russian & Serbian Orthodox Christmas: JAN 7th 2009 FOR SURE but Im not sure about the time because I still may be translating to greek & latin on that day. I will post the exact time at app. 730 AM EST (New York time). A medieval document chronicling the migration of a Caucasic tribe to Epirus will follow in FEB along with a complete list of several hundred identical Alb-Cauc toponyms to leave no reasonable doubt about Albanian ethnogesis.
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Post by libofshe on Jan 7, 2009 12:09:19 GMT -5
i do believe it is the 7'th of january, several hours past 7.30 EST???
care to provide us with a revised ETA perhaps?
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Post by kasso on Jan 7, 2009 13:43:19 GMT -5
HD, you probably haven't studied the etymology of the words.
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Post by donnie on Jan 7, 2009 13:52:14 GMT -5
Just keep postponing the evidence of your idiocy highpicka, lol.
P:S Be sure to provide us with the tools (i.e. online dictionaries or whatever) you've come to use when making this "research".
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Post by highduke on Jan 7, 2009 14:03:29 GMT -5
Could not translate it into Greek & Latin - no time, what with the holidays I had to attend functions I thought I could avoid to work on my research. I will have it done by Saturday Nite. Sorry but blame it on Kasso, he insisted on the Greek & Latin translation otherwise I would have posted it by now.
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Post by donnie on Jan 7, 2009 14:11:25 GMT -5
Yeah yeah ... celebrate Bozic instead, because you're worthless at this.
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Post by highduke on Jan 7, 2009 14:18:40 GMT -5
Relax, once I post it, you'll wish I never had. BTW compared to the toponymic data, the medieval documentation & the glossary - the gloss, is the least definitive proof, the toponymic data is much more damaging & you've already seen it, so calm down.
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Post by Pejoni on Jan 7, 2009 15:46:15 GMT -5
Postponed!? w...t..f...?
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Post by highduke on Jan 7, 2009 16:14:34 GMT -5
SORRY but Kasso insisted on greek & latin & plus with the holidays, c'mon, I wanted to post it on Christamas waaaay more than you want to see it. You guys are overestimating the significance of the Gloss partly because I hyped it up, I've presented way more damaging info that hasnt been this feared, like the toponymic data. I was shocked by how easily you played off the toponyms YET how easily I was able to bait you with the Gloss, seems only scholars know words are more debatable than names.
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Post by donnie on Jan 7, 2009 16:23:11 GMT -5
LOL, I thought it was going to "destroy" us ... hahahaha. You pathetic troll, a true disgrace to any science you wish to associate your name with!
That is why I am so relaxed. If your glossary "proof" is secondary to the toponymy you've already used, and which we've seen and dismissed, then I am just sorry for you. I was waiting for something more, something challenging. But highpicka managed to hype everything up; his element of surprise long gone.
Yup, we see how you celebrate Bozic, jerking off to your Albanian fetish. Fortunately the romance is pretty one sided. Now go and pray to "Saint" Sava.
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Post by highduke on Jan 7, 2009 16:35:02 GMT -5
What Im saying is that your casual dismissal of the TOPONYMS compared to the GLOSS is a sign of your ineptitude at qualitative discernment, but both contribute to your demise, together with the medieval documentation of a medieval migration of a Cauc tribe to Epirus coming in FEB
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Post by donnie on Jan 7, 2009 16:37:05 GMT -5
What Im saying is that your casual dismissal of the Gloss compared to the toponyms is a sign of your ineptitude at qualitative discernment, but both contribute to your demise, together with the medieval documentation of a medieval migration of a Cauc tribe to Epirus coming in FEB Blah blah blah ... just don't keep postponing ... or people will mistake you for a phony
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