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Post by kapetan on Sept 28, 2008 17:47:08 GMT -5
just saw it on google news. figure id post it here since it seems this forum gets the most activity from all the groups mentioned. Don't know what to think about it personaly. lol its already posted on tons of greek and balkan forums too, macedonians all I TOLD YOU SO! lawl Today’s Macedonians are descendants of the Antic Macedonians, says research results from the Swiss Genealogy Institute iGENEA. For a second time an independent research institution confirms what Oxford and Madrid University confirmed a decade ago.
iGENEA is the most famous global Genealogy institute who once again frustrated the Greek government by confirming the direct connection between the Macedonians today and in Antic times.
The question came from a Greek citizen who asked iGENEA the following question: "What are the roots of today SlavMacedonians".
The Institute responded: "Before all, they are Macedonians, not slavMacedonias as you referred to them for political reasons. The largest part of the Macedonians are direct descendants of the Antic Macedonians. Only a minor portion have a Slavic connection".
iGENEA backed up their findings with hard numbers. However, tying the today's Macedonians with Antic Macedonians is not the only disappointing information for Greece. According to iGENEA, only 32 percent of Greek citizens have Macedonian, Hellenic and even Arab origin. iGENEA further explains that 31 percent of Greek citizens have Celtic roots, 12 percent Germanic and Slavic origin, while 11% have Illyrian roots.
iGENEA also negated the Illyrians roots of the Albanians. In stark contrast to Albanian beliefs, IGENEA says the Albanians have the least Illyrian roots. Only 20 percent of the Albanians have Illyrian roots, while 40 percent of today’s Bosnians have Illyrian roots.
In the past several months, the iGENEA Genealogy Institute had been flooded with requests by Greek Citizens who, ironically, did not care for their own origin, but all questions were aimed at the Macedonians' origin. iGENEA in its research uses DNK analysis, historical, archeological, and anthropological sources. macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/3717/46/www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n154089www.igenea.com/ < the organization who did it coincidently their claim about bosnians being 40% matches the fact that was posted here before (Bosnians having haplogroup I at 42% and herzegovians at 63%, the highest in the world). it also matches the data that said albanians have 23% of I. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_by_ethnic_groupsif nothing else...interesting at least.
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Post by vinjak on Sept 28, 2008 18:37:03 GMT -5
iGENEA also negated the Illyrians roots of the Albanians. In stark contrast to Albanian beliefs, IGENEA says the Albanians have the least Illyrian roots. Only 20 percent of the Albanians have Illyrian roots, while 40 percent of today’s Bosnians have Illyrian roots.
So now go ahead and stick your heads in the sand and yell ....ITS A LIE WE ARE ILLYRIANS
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Post by kapetan on Sept 28, 2008 18:47:24 GMT -5
I think the confusion might be in the fact that there IS a strong cultural continuity of Illyria IN ALBANIA ITSELF.....some in language..lots of arheological finds and such...in the land itself.....but that doesn't automaticly means the present day PEOPLE themsevles are that by blood, but most jump to that conclusion anyway.
Which they cant be blamed for...it is a logical conclusion when you come from that land.
anyway this isn't the first time this has been suggested about bosnia...John Wilkes in his book The Illyrians also said this..and hes the biggest living authriity on the subject. then you had the haplogroup evidence....now this as well..
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Post by vinjak on Sept 28, 2008 18:55:55 GMT -5
It cant be true just ask Mimi she knows she was there and knows for a fact that Siptars are Illyrians, this iGenai must be a Serb sponsored orginisation.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 28, 2008 19:00:24 GMT -5
ok Iranian Sky-nthian
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Post by kapetan on Sept 28, 2008 19:00:37 GMT -5
It cant be true just ask Mimi she knows she was there and knows for a fact that Siptars are Illyrians, this iGenai must be a Serb sponsored orginisation. Well...they didn't say anything about Serbia...but Bosnia we know bosnian serbs arent the same geneticly as serbians...they are brothers in serbdom...less in actual blood..which is natrual when theyre in completly diffrent regions who were influenced by different people.
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Post by vinjak on Sept 28, 2008 19:03:28 GMT -5
ok Iranian Sky-nthian
Not a problem Illyrian dude ;D
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Post by highduke on Sept 28, 2008 22:10:36 GMT -5
Leave it to a ****** izrod to quote a ******** izrod newspaper's misrepresentation of the fiindings of*genetic research lab. iGENEA never made any such statement. the info Kapetan ****** quoted is an article from the Skoplje paper, Vecer. In fact there is no way to distinguish between Illyrians, Slavs, Hellenes & Celts because all belonged to haplogroup R1a, attributed to all IE invaders. Check Wiki & crosscheck with iGENEA own stats. PS Kapetan, bosnians are SRBI as per medieval documents which I've made available for your perusal.
Haplogroup I (WHICH IS AT 38% AMONG SERBIANS ACCORDING iGENEA www.igenea.com/index.php?content=49&id=5 ) has nothing to do with Illyrians. Kapetan is an ordinary ****** of Serb descent who can't stand his own Srpstvo so he comes on this forum to try to BS everyone with equally delluded Skopian propaganda rags like Vecer newspaper. Idi sine odjebi molim te i nemoj da se javljas ovde i da seres o Srbijancim i Srbima dok nemas originalne skenove i prevode originalnig dokumenata na engleski!1. Scanned page from De Administrando Imperio (10th century) on "a territory of Bosnia" a part of Serbia in app 640 AD: www.geocities.com/capitolhill/lobby/7681/dai_bosnia.html2. The Medieval Rulers of Bosnia: featuring scans of the original medieval documents written on parchment in the 12th, 13th & 14th centuries The information below is linked to a website I worked on with 5 other men from around the world in 1999-2000, each of whom contributed something to the body of knowledge we were putting together. The rulers of Bosnia identified themselves personally, as well as their lineage and their subjects - as Serbs. There is no mention of Croats, certainly no mention of ‘Bosniaks?or any sort of independent Bosnian identity www.geocities.com/capitolhill/lobby/7681/Ban Matej Ninoslav King Stefan Tvrtko Kotromanic King Stefan Dabisa Kotromanic Stefan Ostoja Kotromanic Stefan ostojic Kotromanic Stefan tvrtko II Kotromanic Stefan Tomasevic Kotromanic Genealogy of the Rulers of Bosnia from the House of Nemanjic
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Post by fannoli on Sept 28, 2008 22:38:43 GMT -5
Not all biological imperatives are especially true. Id like to see what evidences they used before i beleive this study, otherwise it is not valid. It certainly seem like another "macedonian slav" finding trying to link themselves to ancient greek glory.
A Just-So another story.
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Post by kapetan on Sept 28, 2008 22:45:34 GMT -5
lmao @ highduke freaking out like a little b***h just cuz i posted some article my eye cought....which i even said "i dont know what to think of it". and he responds by writing a book classic. lmao btw Ban Kulin the first major leader of Bosnia called his people Bosnjani and his language Bosnian *laugh* its called the charter of ban kulin...maybe youve heard of it? it was written in a native bosnian script too..which is now extinct rofl Tvrtko did too, although he was related to Serbian royalty if proving they conciosly all thought of themselves as serbs was that easy you wouldnt need obscure goecities sites wirrten by nobodies. and what happend to Croats? Most Bosnians then were catholic or maybe your point was they didnt call themsevles illyrians. LMAO well of course not. Neither did Albanians or anyone else...well untill the Croats in Bosnia started the illyrian movement. *watches you cry like a child*
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Post by fannoli on Sept 28, 2008 22:52:47 GMT -5
Which macedonians did they test. the 30 % of the population on the west?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 28, 2008 23:00:28 GMT -5
^ sorry fan, but its proven that where ever albs are the % drops significantly.
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Post by fannoli on Sept 28, 2008 23:55:12 GMT -5
^ oh ok good night then.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 29, 2008 2:16:01 GMT -5
Another failure of Kapetan... its getting too boring...
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Post by kapetan on Sept 29, 2008 3:10:37 GMT -5
lmao like we didnt see that response coming^ and....MY failure? did I do the study? You sir, are an idiot. Go sling some dick to your cedo wifey, she might get bored and go looking for some Albanians
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 29, 2008 3:17:19 GMT -5
"You sir, are an idiot. " hehe, that should be normally a zero-valued sentence, but coming from the "getting ownd" champion, it should be taken as a compliment!
P.S. "http://www.igenea.com/ < the organization who did it"
ORGANIZATION? They are just a plain profit-oriented private company! The terms "buy","order","credit card" are all over their first page. Scientific "organizations" have a humble "donate" button somewhere hidden in the site, and thats all. (am i expecting too much from kapetan?)
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Post by fukara on Sept 29, 2008 4:54:42 GMT -5
All people are mixed out, hell, even "races" are mixed out... one shouldnt use gen things for politics.... i doubt anyone is of pure blod in the balkans...
albanians base their myths on the whole illyrian thing, my guess is they are just some old balkan hill tribe that came down from the hill during the great migration, 700AD, dacians r something
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Post by highduke on Sept 29, 2008 6:18:21 GMT -5
Kapetan, Ban Kulin statement about Bosnjani does not mean that that Bosnjani is not synonymous with SERBLJI as the Kotromanici refer just as CRNOGORAC in pre WW2 days was synonymous with SRBIN. Either way you have no original sources, so bugger off
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