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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 9, 2008 18:39:58 GMT -5
^ most cities in albania are of slavic origin (Serbian).
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 9, 2008 18:49:50 GMT -5
Example of these albanianised slavic cities:
Babine, Bereshte, Bitincke, bolene, borove, borsh, bradashesh, branesh, broje, bruc, bujan, bushtrice, catiste, cerkovice, cerrik, ceruje, corovode, delvine, dhrovjan, divjake, dragobi, dragot, gercke, gjorice, gline, golem, goraj-budishe, goranxi, gostil, gostime, gostivisht, gracen, grapsh, grude, hocisht, iljas, kakruke, kamice-flake, kavaje, kernishtaj, klos, kosine, kuc, lepushe, leskovik, libohove, livadhe, lubonje, lushnje, muzine, novosele, ogren, palaj, pasnovisht, pleshist, ploce, podgorie, pogradec, pojan, porav, prodn, proger, qereshnik, rade, radomire, reshen, rusan, salce, selenice, sheriste, skavice, skore, slabinje, sojnik, sopik, stravaj, strelce, topojan, tropoje, uznove, vanister, velce, velipoje, verdove, vermik, vermosh, vodice, vranisht, zagore, zapod, zvezde etc.....
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Post by kapetan on Jul 9, 2008 19:57:09 GMT -5
Kapetan, we assimilated the illyrian population? WE ARE the illyrians. You cannot assimilate yourself. You slavs assimilated many of the north tribes(may they burn in hell for all eternity), and made them slavs. Something I'm glad over. They showed how loyal they are. Albanians are direct descendants of the illyrians and pelasgians. The only living descendants of hte pelasgians. End of story. My friend...read what I said again. Everyone from Croats to Albanians has claimed an Illyrian "movement" at some time. Albanian language is most likely the last descendant of the Illyrian languages, cuz the rest of us were Slavicized and they assimilated the Illryian population. I was saying Slavs assimylated the Illyrian tribes in the rest of the illyrian lands, the same as you just said. Not in Albania. But on another note making claims like "we ARE Illyrians...NOW...TODAY" is kind of jumping the gun. Your language is definetly the last and biggest link to them. But as far as blood and all that....credible science hasn't exactly proven that as fact. Albanains are bound to be mixed to certain degrees like anyone else in the Balkan.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 9, 2008 23:13:30 GMT -5
I found this quote very interesting:
While visiting Greece in 1768, upon being called to a visit by "some Albanians", he stayed one year with them. He became familiar with the people and "learned Albanian".
Dositej emphasizes their relation to the Serbs: "How (strange) it was for me to hear these same Albanians say, 'Whoever governs Serbia, and we too will acknowledge that ruler, because the Serb kings were ours once, too'".
Dositej continues about his tenure with the Albanians, "Not too far from Hormove, beautiful fields were described which the Albanians call 'Lepa-zhite'. I asked them what this meant. 'We don't know,' they told me. 'That's just the name of the field'.
When I clarified what this meant, telling them that this is a Serbian word, "Oh, holy man," they answered, "Don't be surprised; we were once one family and tribe with the Serblyans in ancient times".
The Cetinje Herald
Dositej among the Albanians
April. 2. 1911
and read this one:
"The once important Serbian influence in Albania has left few vestiges, other than Slavic place names, and the presence of a few islands of Moslem Serb speakers in the mountains, as in the Gora district of Luma".
Carleton Stevens Coon
Races of Europe
(Chapter XII, section 12)
1939
and also this one:
The movement of the South Slavs took them to the Dinaric mountain chain, which certain bands crossed to the Istra Peninsula and into Northern Italy itself. The main body moved south-eastward along the Adriatic coast, following the Dinaric mountain chain to Monenegro and to the Gore region of Northwestern Albania.
A southern Slavic nucleus was formed in the Kingdom of Old Serbia centered around Prizren & Skoplje. From this nucleus, they expanded into the Kosovo plain, which they were soon to lose in great part to the Turks & Albanians.
The Serbs, the most important single people in this southern expansion - still speak a language closely allied ot that of the Wends of Germany.
Carleton Stevens Coon
Races of Europe
(Chapter VI, section 7)
The Slavs
Macmillam Press
1939
l would like to say that albanian surnames with the suffixes of:
Ova, Ove, iqi, ica are slavic.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 10, 2008 4:36:15 GMT -5
I love all this crap Novi spews, it makes me gag...in a good way
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 10, 2008 5:27:03 GMT -5
^ I know terro because they are some which you cannot refute.
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Post by libofsha on Jul 10, 2008 6:41:18 GMT -5
I found this quote very interesting: A southern Slavic nucleus was formed in the Kingdom of Old Serbia centered around Prizren & Skoplje. From this nucleus, they expanded into the Kosovo plain, which they were soon to lose in great part to the Turks & Albanians. l would like to say that albanian surnames with the suffixes of: Ova, Ove, iqi, ica are slavic. yea, the world has been harsh on the balcans indegenous serb slavs...losing territory to the albanians in the great albanian mysterious and never recorded expansion of....hmmm...around...some hundres of years ago, the serb armies ravaged by the savage wave after wave of attacks from the oncoming asia minor albanians were left with no other option but to retreat thus losign their most prized possession, KOSOVO, the land, in which, their illyrian forefathers(funnily enough they are slavs...and pride themselves as such) had graced the sacred grounds, then a great serbian warrior arose from the ashes to fight the tirany of the occupiers GERGOSLAV KASTRIOTICA, a brave and "confused?" leader who....fought for the albanians? the very same people who had driven his people from kosovo...that's right, this version of event sounds plausable
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jul 10, 2008 17:55:08 GMT -5
^ most cities in albania are of slavic origin (Serbian). again same post from until 3-4 years? you can;t do nothing new exp this? ;D which cities? and in serbia were most Albanian, latin and turkish but you changed after occuping. good example is your nick Novi Pazar (original name was Yeni Pazar a turkish name that mean New Shop) Example of these albanianised slavic cities: Babine, Bereshte, Bitincke, bolene, borove, borsh, bradashesh, branesh, broje, bruc, bujan, bushtrice, catiste, cerkovice, cerrik, ceruje, corovode, delvine, dhrovjan, divjake, dragobi, dragot, gercke, gjorice, gline, golem, goraj-budishe, goranxi, gostil, gostime, gostivisht, gracen, grapsh, grude, hocisht, iljas, kakruke, kamice- flake, kavaje, kernishtaj, klos, kosine, kuc, lepushe, leskovik, libohove, livadhe, lubonje, l ushnje, muzine, novosele, ogren, palaj, pasnovisht, pleshist, ploce, podgorie, pogradec, pojan, porav, prodn, proger, qereshnik, rade, radomire, reshen, rusan, salce, selenice, sheriste, skavice, skore, slabinje, sojnik, sopik, stravaj, strelce, topojan, tropoje, uznove, vanister, velce, velipoje, verdove, vermik, vermosh, vodice, vranisht, zagore, zapod, zvezde etc..... you call those cities? those are villagers in south Albania who gived from Bulgarian Empire who occupied Albania, Greece, moder south-central serbia...read history... anyway i dont see there slavic name, explain in slavic those words that colored with reds? those are clear albanian language...where have you made those fakes? And those that i did not colored half are Latins.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jul 10, 2008 18:04:46 GMT -5
you have good example in Kosova after occuping of Kosova from serbs alot places have been changed even you tried to change big cities example...Gjilan city who have been found from Gjinaj-Gjinolli family in XVII Century you serbs chahged Gnjilane, Ferizaj city (which have been found from Ferizi family) you changed into Urosevac and alot.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jul 10, 2008 18:20:10 GMT -5
I found this quote very interesting: While visiting Greece in 1768, upon being called to a visit by "some Albanians", he stayed one year with them. He became familiar with the people and "learned Albanian". Dositej emphasizes their relation to the Serbs: "How (strange) it was for me to hear these same Albanians say, 'Whoever governs Serbia, and we too will acknowledge that ruler, because the Serb kings were ours once, too'". Dositej continues about his tenure with the Albanians, "Not too far from Hormove, beautiful fields were described which the Albanians call 'Lepa-zhite'. I asked them what this meant. 'We don't know,' they told me. 'That's just the name of the field'. When I clarified what this meant, telling them that this is a Serbian word, "Oh, holy man," they answered, "Don't be surprised; we were once one family and tribe with the Serblyans in ancient times". The Cetinje Herald Dositej among the Albanians April. 2. 1911 and read this one: "The once important Serbian influence in Albania has left few vestiges, other than Slavic place names, and the presence of a few islands of Moslem Serb speakers in the mountains, as in the Gora district of Luma". Carleton Stevens Coon Races of Europe (Chapter XII, section 12) 1939 and also this one: The movement of the South Slavs took them to the Dinaric mountain chain, which certain bands crossed to the Istra Peninsula and into Northern Italy itself. The main body moved south-eastward along the Adriatic coast, following the Dinaric mountain chain to Monenegro and to the Gore region of Northwestern Albania. A southern Slavic nucleus was formed in the Kingdom of Old Serbia centered around Prizren & Skoplje. From this nucleus, they expanded into the Kosovo plain, which they were soon to lose in great part to the Turks & Albanians. The Serbs, the most important single people in this southern expansion - still speak a language closely allied ot that of the Wends of Germany. Carleton Stevens Coon Races of Europe (Chapter VI, section 7) The Slavs Macmillam Press 1939 l would like to say that albanian surnames with the suffixes of: Ova, Ove, iqi, ica are slavic. what is your point here? iqi is slavic? this is tipycall albanian, Ova is turkish, ove-ica-vic is slavic and if have some albanian suffixes with ica with are kosovars and monte-presheva albanians) they have generally surname from villgers example is Lumnica surname which came from Lumnica village of Podujeva (Lum albanian word and ica is slavic that changed occupators serbs). and is sufficis is vic, ica does not mean is slav? is a good example of serbs assimilatet alot Albanians you have a good example serbian one of large surname Arnatotivic (serbianad albanians and albanian word like Lumnica) which is clan of karagjorgjevic serbian large tribes that are with Albanian origin. Tijana Arnautovic (Miss Canada 2007)
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Post by zloca on Jul 10, 2008 18:29:36 GMT -5
So what does "Kosova" mean in albanian?
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jul 10, 2008 18:30:55 GMT -5
So what does "Kosova" mean in albanian? that is turkish word ask turks.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 10, 2008 18:37:43 GMT -5
I'm not answering until you find credible sources.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 10, 2008 18:56:18 GMT -5
So what does "Kosova" mean in albanian? Kosova is Albanian for Kosovo which is Serbian for "Black Bird Field" or "Field of Black Birds."
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Post by radovic on Jul 10, 2008 19:05:45 GMT -5
So what does "Kosova" mean in albanian? that is turkish word ask turks. Bull shit. It's a slavic word and you know it. You have 6 villages using the word Kosovo in Bulgaria, 2 in Croatia, 2 in FYROM, 1 in Belarus, 4 in Russia and 9 in Poland. In Turkey, thje word Kosova is the Turkish variant on the Slavic word. Not only that but the word Kosova appears as a village name in Slavic countries never ruled by the Turks -- 1 in Czech Republic, 1 in Slovakia, 1 in Belarus. It also appears in Estonia. The only thing other then the Slavic word that Albanians can claim is that they stole it from Bantu Kosova (i.e. Gusii & Kisii) a Kenyan tribe. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_Kosova
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Post by zloca on Jul 10, 2008 21:21:17 GMT -5
"Kosova" in albanian has no meaning whatsoever.
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Post by bordura on Jul 11, 2008 1:55:15 GMT -5
Does Serbia has any meaning in Serbian?
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Post by libofsha on Jul 11, 2008 3:09:46 GMT -5
"Kosova" in albanian has no meaning whatsoever. 'kosovo' like a few other toponym names are simply a slavic make over, the ancient name for kosovo is dardania or dardhania, named after the great illyrian tribe which ruled over those lands
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Post by Duke John on Jul 11, 2008 3:25:11 GMT -5
Novi!
Im sure you have read the letter of Skenderbe to Prince of Taranto
No where he mentions serbs or tells that his elders came from which is present day of russia! he says that his elders were locals from time period of Alexander, where were serbs at that time? how can he be serbs? he claims roots from ancient balkan population and not from serboi at that time somewere near caucasus! the serb theory collapes.
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Post by radovic on Jul 11, 2008 9:30:51 GMT -5
^ To bad a google search comes up with only two posts:
An Albanian blog and a forum. Hardly reliable sources.
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