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Post by donnie on Jan 17, 2009 16:07:54 GMT -5
LOL. Now that your whole 'cognate' theory has been shot to pieces, you resort to this. OK. Haha. And the fact that the self-designation 'shqiptar' emerged only in the 16th century and started spreading in the 17th and 18th centuries plays no weight in all this?
PS Why bother highdyke. Weren't we supposed to be devestated already? What happened for you to be in need of further arguments to destroy our illusions?
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Post by donnie on Jan 17, 2009 16:17:30 GMT -5
What's to analyze about ngordh/nekros highdyke?
And there is no need for sources. The fact that the Arbëresh community in Italy uses the self-designation of 'Arbëresh', not 'Shqiptar', goes to tell that the latter was still not in use when they left the shores of Albania, which was in the 15th century.
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Post by highduke on Jan 17, 2009 16:19:15 GMT -5
'there is no need for sources' lol ITS OVAH!
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Post by highduke on Jan 17, 2009 16:22:04 GMT -5
Thanks & we dont care when the Siptar etnonym first became known but WHEN & WHERE it originated
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Post by donnie on Jan 17, 2009 16:25:15 GMT -5
Nice comeback highdyke, lol. But ok, let's analyze this poem by the Arbëresh Nikolla Keta (Nichola Chetta; Farie së ndeerme në Kuntisë u bii Kolë Ketta, vllastar i t'arbrit dhee, Shkoi në Palermë praa tek e Arbrit shpii, Ç'e reshti, si zogu rep në folee.
E veshi e e ngjeshi me zakon, me urtësii, Për në vapët e përtriijti ndënë hjee, Si të veshkurin rremp stolis një dhrii, E nani prift klisha kurorë e vee.
Si zok i sbjerrë praa t'di krahët çoi Në Palermë e n'Kuntisë, po ktei e atei Ndeern'e Arbreshet të gjithë gramët kërkoi.
Si krymp mundafshi gjith e svis vetëhei E ktë vistaar tuar, kjëndisi e shkroi, Se të kjosëj gjithë Arbrin ndjeer përtei. Translation; Of honourable lineage in Contessa was born Nick Chetta, a scion of the Albanian soil. He went to Palermo, to the Albanian home Which received him like a featherless bird in a nest.
It clothed him, girded him with manners, with wisdom, In the heat it refreshed him with its shade, like The vine-stock readorning its withered branches, And now a priest, the church took him for her spouse.
Like a lost bird he stretched his two wings In Palermo and Contessa, both here and there He sought honour for the Albanians in all his writings.
Like a silkworm he exhausted himself And wove, embellished and wrote this treasure To enrich Albania in every possible way.1777 www.albanianliterature.com/authors_early/chetta_poetry.htmlSee that he does use 'Arbëresh', not 'Shqiptar'? Do you highdyke? PS Note also that he uses the Latin alphabet, not some weird one from Caucasus. Shocking.
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Post by highduke on Jan 17, 2009 16:33:04 GMT -5
we dont care which etnonym came to dominate when, just when & where it originated.
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Post by donnie on Jan 17, 2009 16:46:22 GMT -5
Actually when it emerged is very important. Serbs seem very kean on pointing out the fact that there is a large gap between the first mention of the 'Albanoi' by Ptolemy in the 3rd century AD and their re-emergence in the 11th century. Well, the same point can be made here; it seems difficult to link this allegedly historical personality of 'Sciponius' of the 11th century with the emerging of the ethnonym 'Shqiptar' as the main self-designation of the Albanians in the 17th and 18th centuries.
PS Are you sure Sciponius is our founder? Maybe it was Scipio, Hannibals adversary, who gave us our name? Maybe after the battle of Zama, he wanted to retire somewhere and just take it easy ....
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Post by highduke on Jan 17, 2009 16:51:07 GMT -5
Get some sources. Siptar emerged in the 11th cent. was displaced by Arber, then re-emerged. STOP SPAMMIN SERBIA FORUM. Its your fault ALB FORUM is flooded.
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Post by donnie on Jan 17, 2009 16:52:21 GMT -5
LOL, the spamming queen herself telling others not to spam. I am not spamming any subforum you paranoid fvck.
And you're the one to firstly show your cards. Show us this 'Sciponius' lol.
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Post by highduke on Jan 17, 2009 17:05:48 GMT -5
You'll see it in due time
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Post by raynon on Jan 17, 2009 17:22:04 GMT -5
yeah hiduck, shaddup and just show us this document that proves
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Post by highduke on Jan 17, 2009 17:27:48 GMT -5
In due time, you have to get used to the idea first. the scanned Greek original + its Eng. trans. by one famous, beloved Albanologist you know well & his superb analysis, accompanied by another study by another beloved albanologist where the document is also superbly analyzed. ITS OVAH!
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Post by highduke on Jan 17, 2009 17:39:16 GMT -5
You gotta get used to the idea first. COUNTDOWN STARTS IN A WEEK OR SO. Be patient. BUT WAIT TIL YOU SEE WHAT COMES AFTER THIS. ITS OVAH!
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Post by highduke on Jan 17, 2009 18:01:45 GMT -5
Because my thread was deleted. what was i supposed to do? it was deleted BUT didnt violate any rule. IS THERE A RULE THAT SAYS IRRESPONSIBLE MODS CANT BE REMOVED JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE EUROCHECHEN? Hypocrite
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Post by malsor4life on Jan 17, 2009 20:15:17 GMT -5
Administrator should delete all these kinda threads by HD.
You presented your vocab "case" lol, u made a fool outta yourself. Now, move on.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Jan 19, 2009 1:42:00 GMT -5
searched Sciponius - nothing
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Post by highduke on Jan 19, 2009 7:52:50 GMT -5
Keep searching for Sciponius, you will find him only in journals & in medieval manuscripts not online, NOT YET. BUT SOON. Just consider how stupid all of you looked when you amateurishly tried to pick apart the Glossary, forgetting in your delirium that you were actualy violating etymological scientific methodology. Prepare to meet your founder: Sciponius.
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Post by kasso on Jan 19, 2009 10:58:20 GMT -5
The word "shqiptar" is of Latin origin and has various meanings
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Post by highduke on Jan 19, 2009 16:05:00 GMT -5
Actualy, there is that theory & others for explainnng the etymology of that etnonym but documentation describing how Sciponius took his people from the Cauc. to Sicily & then to Epirus solves the dilema, regardless of the fact that 'Arber' temporarily replaced 'Shqiptar'
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Jan 19, 2009 16:06:33 GMT -5
Hey HighDork u may be a complete halftard but ur kind of funny, especially if u believe everything u say its so sad, but flattering because you are showing ur jealousy and inferiority complexes ;D
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