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Post by donnie on Feb 1, 2009 19:47:11 GMT -5
Go ahead highdyke!
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Post by highduke on Feb 1, 2009 19:49:26 GMT -5
Thanks. i'll post it later tonite. in exchange, delete my multiple posts in your Dedvukaj thread
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Post by donnie on Feb 1, 2009 19:49:57 GMT -5
No problem.
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Post by highduke on Feb 1, 2009 19:52:33 GMT -5
Except i'll open a new thread & you can then delete this one
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Post by ilirdardani on Feb 1, 2009 19:54:10 GMT -5
can't wait to see your analysis, it will be an eye opening dude.
IT"LL BE OVAH FOR THE ALBANIAN CHECHENZ!!!!!!!!!!! lmao
ps. you suck
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Post by highduke on Feb 1, 2009 19:58:46 GMT -5
You already read it in donnie's Dedvukaj song thread before he deleted it
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Post by ilirdardani on Feb 1, 2009 20:00:57 GMT -5
You do know that half the people in Montenegro are slavinized Albanians right? (albanians who took up serbian language, their culture and changed their names to sound serbian/slavic)
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Post by highduke on Feb 1, 2009 20:04:20 GMT -5
Not according to the Balsha's medieval Serbian language documents. would you like to see some?
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Post by servus on Feb 1, 2009 20:11:24 GMT -5
No.
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Post by highduke on Feb 1, 2009 20:16:06 GMT -5
Lol ok you wont then lol
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 1, 2009 21:53:43 GMT -5
Nice to see HD and Donnie getting along....
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Post by highduke on Feb 2, 2009 9:11:55 GMT -5
A MSG WILL BE SENT TO DONNIE TO TRANSFER TO HD's CORNER OR DELETE THIS THREAD ASAP BECAUSE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS OF IDENTICAL ALBANIAN-CHECHEN SURNAMES IS COMING TODAY
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Post by donnie on Feb 4, 2009 7:35:22 GMT -5
Highdyke recently displayed yet another pseudo-scientific discovery, making conclusions on two languages and cultures he knows only on a superficial and distorted level.
Firstly, he says he is going to find "identical non-Islamic Alb-Chechen surnames". Yet he goes and does exactly that, i.e. finds surnames with Islamic roots. Atleast in the case of us Albanians, since unlike highdyke, I do not prefer expressing myself over a culture, language & ethnicity I have little grasp on. Examples include Zekaj, which comes from Zekë or Zeqir, which is a Muslim name (Zekir; possible connection to Hebrew Zecheriah) introduced during the time of the Ottomans. Another example is Memcaj, with 'Memi' being a diminutive of Mohammed. The same with 'Bakaj' which derives from Bekkir, and so on.
Other examples simply illustrate why someone with essentially no knowledge in a certain field shouldn't be making such grande conclusions like highdyke did. I am referring to "Shallaj" which is actually written Shalaj, and which derives from the clan name of Shala, the etymology of which is derived from the Albanian word shalë. meaning 'saddle' (the shaljan clansmen's name might thus be translitterated as 'the horse people'). This is a word found in many IE languages and has no connection to Chechen, unless this language acquired it from some neighbour, including English 'saddle', Swedish 'sadel', Croatian 'sedlo', Spanish 'síllin', Romanian 'ºa' etc.
Then there are the comical examples, like 'Dulay' vs 'Dulaj'. Why go so far when we have the Serbian football player Igor Duljaj from Arandjelovac? LOL.
Balaj/Balay is also found among South Slavs, e.g. Balic, etc.
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Post by highduke on Feb 4, 2009 7:47:05 GMT -5
donnie boy! whaddup lol
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Post by donnie on Feb 4, 2009 8:00:47 GMT -5
The second argument revolves around the suffix 'aj' in Albanian. He claims it is connected to some Chechen suffix 'ay', basing his assumption on the similiar sound. By the same premise we might assume a connection between the Albanian and Italian endings of 'i', e.g. Martini vs Martini. The similiarity is in reality a mere coincidence. Why?
The Albanian suffix 'aj' is not a mere suffix, but also fulfills a function; it denotes something plural. Take the surname Markaj. It actually means 'Marks', as in several people. This is a heritage from old times when there existed brotherhoods, and therefore we find several villages ending in 'aj' as well, such as Vuthaj, Haxhaj, Zenelaj, Zogaj, Pepaj etc; villages which got their names from brotherhoods (vëllazëri). The equivalent I saw in Dalmatia and Montenegro was Babici, Martinici, etc. The more logical conclusion would be to connect this suffix to another IE suffix rather than Chechen, such as 'ai' in classical Greek, i.e. Arbanitai, the old term for Albanians in Greek.
Yet the best explanation seems to be the Illyrian connection. Why? The suffix 'aj' was written as 'anj' in classical Albanian; this is why Montenegrins call the village of Vuthaj as Vusanje, having preserved ironically the village's/brotherhood's older form, excluding the change of 'th' to 's' due to the lack of interdental consonants in Serbian. This old suffix, 'anj', is a variant of the other plural suffixes of 'enj' & 'inj', e.g. lumenj (rivers) from 'lum', or gishtërinj (fingers) from 'gisht'. This form of endings is also found in old Illyrian names of cities and tribes. Here follow some examples; Delminium, Rizinium, Olcinium, Olokenion, etc. The suffix 'um' was probably added by classical Roman writers.
The same analogy is seen with the plural ending of 'at' in Albanian, seen in various villages such as Zhulat from Zhuli, Lazarat from Lazër, Progonat from Progon etc. This same ending is witnessed in many Illyrian tribe names, e.g. Daesitiates, Dalmatae, Dassaretae, Docleatae, Labeates, etc.
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Post by highduke on Feb 4, 2009 8:04:58 GMT -5
A waste because the 11th cent. documentatioN proves that the names are not coincidental ame do not have the alternate etymology you claim for them as I mentioned 5 times in my ALBO-CHECHEN SURNAME thread. the alternate etymology you give would be valid IF the docs did not exist or werent given merrit by 2 albanophile albanologists
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Post by donnie on Feb 4, 2009 8:10:42 GMT -5
Finally, the Chechen suffix of 'ay' might just as well be of Turkish origin, in who's proximity they have lived. Exampls include Göktay, Altay, Günay, Aksoy, Altinsoy, etc. Furthermore, who is to say that only the 'ev' part is the russification? Maybe the whole 'ayev' was added to Chechen surnames. The same phenomenon is seen amidst Azeris, such as Gara Garayev, Muslim Magomayev, Namig Abdullayev, Nizami Pashayev, and so forth. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Azeris
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Post by highduke on Feb 4, 2009 8:14:22 GMT -5
It might be coincidental ONLY in the absence of medieval documentation supported by 2 albanophile albanologists but otherwise, the surnames, cognates & toponyms just contribute to their POV
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Post by donnie on Feb 4, 2009 8:14:49 GMT -5
Your "documentation" has yet to be presented, and the alleged support you have received from two "albanologists" is yet to be confirmed and furthermore does not necessarely mean you are right.
Feel dissected -- you obviously do not have the means to counter, simply because you do not speak the languages of the nations you claim to study and because of you being detached from reality.
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Post by highduke on Feb 4, 2009 8:17:43 GMT -5
Be patient
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