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Post by libofshe on Feb 5, 2009 11:44:46 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Feb 5, 2009 11:46:47 GMT -5
Kopicki ^
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Post by donnie on Feb 5, 2009 13:24:12 GMT -5
Haha, face gomari!
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Post by donnie on Feb 5, 2009 13:37:28 GMT -5
To further destroy the ridiculous thesis of highpicka, I present a sample of Ossetian surnames. These too have been exposed to a process of russification (the obsessive syndrome of trying to exterminate foreign cultures and ethnic identities is a symptom also evident in the bastard offspring of Russia, little Serbia). The reason for this is because the Ossetians are an Indoeuropean people, speaking an Iranian language and possibly related to Serbs, being that they are considered as descendants of the Alans who in turn might have been related to the Serboi, the ancestors of the Sebrs, who dwelled in Caucasus. Dzanayev, Bazayev, Pagayev, Tedeyev, Sanakoyev, Dzugayev, Britayev, etc; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ossetian_peopleThe same suffix, 'ayev', as seen among Chechens and Azeris, is seen here among the Ossetians.
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Post by donnie on Feb 5, 2009 13:44:33 GMT -5
Let's continue outside of Caucasus, namely Kazakhstan, where highdyke cannot claim a process of 'de-Chechenization';
Kulbayev, Musabayev, Yeremeyev, Kishkenbayev, Dunayev, etc.
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Post by donnie on Feb 5, 2009 13:51:28 GMT -5
Let's continue further away from Caucasus, namely Uzbekistan.
Jo'rayev, Usmonxo'jayev, Ganiyev, Abdoollayev, Bakayev ... etc.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Uzbekistani_sportspeople_stubs
In conclusion, we see a clear pattern. The suffix 'ayev' seems to be a russification applied throughout the former USSR, including territories well outside Caucasus. It is artificial and unrelated to the Albanian suffix 'anj', later evolved into 'aj', which is a pluiral suffix which also comes in the florms of 'inj' and 'enj', present also among the ancient Illyrians!
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Post by highduke on Feb 5, 2009 14:03:20 GMT -5
Are you done? Central Asians like Uzbeks are pure or assimilated Turks while Ossetians are linguisticaly Aryanized Caucasics that have absorbed the surrounding Turkic population of Daghestan, so their retention of the 'ay' from both neighbors is not surprising. Jeez ymeri, think before you type ROFL
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Post by donnie on Feb 5, 2009 14:08:34 GMT -5
If that is true, ,iIt still proves that the 'ay' suffix is not a Chechen suffix, that it is a Turkic one, absorbed by the Chechens in Caucasus. Yet initially you claimed it was a Chechen one. This proves that our 'anj'/'aj' cannot possible be a Chechen import ... neither can it be a Turkish one, since its presence has also been recorded among the Arbëresh (e.g. Dhimitranj) who left too early for the Turks to leave any mark like that on them. Furthermore, the frequency of 'aj' endoing surnames is the highest in highland areas where the Ottoman presence was felt the least, like among the Malsors, Labëria in the south, etj. PS Did I tell you that you are one ugly mother f*cker? LOL
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Post by highduke on Feb 5, 2009 14:15:21 GMT -5
No it doesnt prove that 'ay' isnt caucasic, it proves that the IE-speaking ossetians & tajiks assimilated some of their surrounding Caucasic & Turk neighbors
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Post by donnie on Feb 5, 2009 14:23:21 GMT -5
LOL; you definitely make up tbings as you go. But decide now, is 'ay' Turkic or Caucasic, it cannot be both originally.
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Post by highduke on Feb 5, 2009 14:32:00 GMT -5
I'll be fair: find a credible source that states the alb 'aj' is derrived from 'anj' & then work on why the main body of each Alb surname, without the suffix, is identical to Turko-Caucasic surnames. Just wait till after I post the documentation
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Post by donnie on Feb 6, 2009 13:34:14 GMT -5
What better source than the classical Albanian author Pjetër Bogdani. When he writes about himself, his surname is Bogdani, but when talking about the "old house of the Bogdans" in plural, he writes;
"Pleqënia e shtëpisë Bogdananjet", from 'Vepra e Bogdanit' p. 57, the author of the book being our former president I. Rugova, may his soul rest in peace.
The last part, 'et', gives it in the definite article, which also covers anthroponyms and toponyms in Albanian. As I said earlier, the village/old broterhood Vuthaj was in older times called Vuthanj. Te suffix 'anj' was assimilated into 'aj', but this process did not occur in Serbian, and that is why Montenegrins call the village Vusanje. The difference is only in 'th' which becomes 's' due to a lack of interdental consonants in Serbian.
As for the second part of your question, that has already been delt with in reply #12.
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Post by highduke on Feb 6, 2009 13:56:29 GMT -5
Petar Bogdanovic (bog-god dan-day ie. day of god, see czech bohdan) was a 19th cet. amateur by contemporary standards and is not a credible source for linguistics, whether he's Serbian or not & you haven't addressed the issue I brought up in Reply #70 anywhere because there's just too many cognates, toponyms & names to imply coincidence when considered along with the documentation. Byron Time 4 U because it means that the surnames are more likely Turko-Caucasic than not, your rhetoric is useless
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Post by plisbardhi on Feb 6, 2009 16:23:53 GMT -5
Hahaha, the Bulgar gets owned again and comes back with one of the weakest replies I've seem from him.
You're obsessed with Albanians, your superiors. So hating that fact you try to pervert everything about us that you know deep down is noble, you pathetic turd. You know that compared to us you're backround is low. So either come to terms with that fact or kill yourself you confused Bulgar.
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Post by donnie on Feb 6, 2009 16:45:57 GMT -5
What the fvck are you talking about? It is not "Petar Boganovic" but Pjetër Bogdani. He was no 19th century linguist, but the Albanian Archbishop of Skopje, nephew of Ndre (Andrew) Bogdani, a native of Guri i Hasit. He was the author of Cuneus Prophetarum (1685), which he wrote in Albanian and Latin. The quote above in Albanian was written by him, and his language contains archaisms lost or modified in modern Albanian.
This includes the suffix of 'anj' (Bogdananj as opposed to Bogdanaj) which today has become 'aj'; the same phenomenon is seen in certain dialects with the plural suffixes 'enj' and 'inj' (which are variants of 'anj'), thus for instance the word të rinj (young ones) is in some dialects pronounced as të rij, etc.
The "guy" does not even know who P. Bogdani is and speaks of him as if an expert.
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Post by highduke on Feb 6, 2009 19:24:27 GMT -5
whoever he was, he's not a linguist by your own admission & thus isnt a credible source, so we're back again to Reply #70
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Post by leshte on Feb 6, 2009 20:06:33 GMT -5
You're no linguist either HD. You see how easy you yourself dismiss somebody who is not a linguist. Yet you who can't speak none of the languages without any shame at all put this authoritative veil to your nonsense and even dare compare two languages you don't speak. What's your excuse Pjeter Bogdani did not have google back then?
Also what Donnie said had nothing to do with whether he was a linguist or not. Donnie just gave the source you asked about Albanians using the -anj ending in their last names to indicate the plural of the form. As an author of the 1600's he used that back then.
As usual you're pulling things out of your a$$ as you go, you have no arguments. You have been owned. Donnie with argument showed the futility of your googling and the stupidity of your statements. When you evolve after a couple of thousands of years you might eventually be able to reach Donnie's intelligence.
P.S Pjeter Bogdani at least knew enough of the languages to be able to translate Christian work from Latin to Albanian. You don't know $hit about any of the languages you're tryin to act as an expert on.
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Post by highduke on Feb 6, 2009 20:52:33 GMT -5
I'm no linguist but I rely on the principles of those who are, in order to judge taxonomic data & I know Bogdani isn't a linguist, I lied to get deludonnie to point out that his own source isn't a linguist, but he still has the opportunity to find a credible source to back up his POV because if he can unnecessarily buy books, find gay erotic poems & obscure references to bestiality, he will find credible evidence for his opinion if it exists :-)
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Post by leshte on Feb 6, 2009 22:52:57 GMT -5
Your responses are becoming lamer and lamer. If you really want to do real research about Albanians and our language and at least pose some challenge to others who point out the lameness of your statements the least you can do is learn our language. Come here again once you can talk to us in Albanian.
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Post by donnie on Feb 7, 2009 7:10:37 GMT -5
Exactly. But he is in great denial and any fact which disproves his idiotic statements and "discoveries" he tries to dismiss in a most lame fashion.
The quoting of P. Bogdani, a 17th century Albanian author, is better than quoting 100 linguists, because this guy was authentic and his work reveals many archaisms in Albanian lost or modified today ... including 'anj' which has become 'aj'. I could have quoted Eqrem Cabej, the Albanian colossus of Albanian linguistic studies, but seeing these lame replies of HD and him not even caring for an even more important source (Bogdani himself), I couldn't bother skimming through my books for his sake. And I have Shaban Demiraj's book on E. Cabej's work right infront of me ...
Ah well. Anyone with a decent level of intelligence will see through the transparent attempts, in vain, of HD to prove our alleged connection to Chechnya and the Chechens.
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