|
Post by kapetan on Jul 10, 2008 3:46:27 GMT -5
And it can have a 1000+ year future, I just don't see why Republika Srpska has to be a part of it. Is it because God said Bosnia must border on the Drina? Have your Bosnia all you want and put sparkles on it if you wish but if you had any sense of reason you wouldn't force people to be a part of it (and NEWSFLASH, telling people to pick up their s**t and leave is not a solution, people living on a piece of land have the strongest claim on it... we don't live in medieval times, Ban Kulin isn't the ultimate ruler of all land, and even if he was he definitely would be disgusted by Muslims favourable to the Arabic script claiming his legacy considering he was Christian and wrote in Cyrillic).Yup he wrote in a language he called Bosnian, and he was a Christian, and he called his kingdom Bosnia and the inhabitans Bosnians . There was a Bosnian cyrillic btw look it up. And if "we don't live in medieval times" stop using those times when it serves your points. Nobody wants to be part of Bosnia either, but that doesn't matter does it?Unfortunetly for you "our Bosnia" includes those lands you want to take with you and always has. Nobody's forcing YOU to be a part of it. Unfortunetly you can't take Bosnian land with you. Cuz regardless of what you want to call yourself, that is still Bosnian land. Now pay attention..I didn't say Bosniak or Muslim lands...I said Bosnian (or if you prefer Bosnian-Herzegovian) land, and you are welcome to live there. Why don't you make me? Or, for that matter, why don't you make all of us Bosnian Serbs, because over a million of us feel exactly the same way as me (even more radically) as far disdain for Bosnia is concerned.Because you idiot, like I've been trying to tell you, you and Serbs don't bother me lmao. I have no rpoblem with anyone living in Bosnia unless they're trying to destroy it. It has nothing to do with ethnicity. I hate Wahabbi morons who I see as a big as threat as anything else to the country right now. How many times do I have to tell you? I'm not some Muslim radical or even a religious person. Your religion means nothing to me. It's your right. Republika Srpska is de facto independent already. The level of autonomy is so high, the only thing that is left is international will at recognizing the reality on the ground. That will come sooner or later. Somebody will eventually realize that the bs required to keep this joke of a country together is simply not worth the trouble.You won't get independance.
|
|
|
Post by kapetan on Jul 10, 2008 3:52:37 GMT -5
^^^kapetan are you perhaps the male version of me? Can you read my mind? :-) Maybe you're the female version of me! Or maybe you ARE me and maybe I'm just a figment of your imagination and you're not even in a forum right now but heavily medicated and strapped to a bed somewhere. *makes you question your sanity*
|
|
Kralj Vatra
Amicus
Warning: Sometimes uses foul language & insults!!!
20%
Posts: 9,814
|
Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 10, 2008 5:37:10 GMT -5
Kapetan get real, no one feels "bosanac", nothing great about it. The only things worth mentioning were made while still in Yugoslavia.
As far as international recognition of RS is concerned, we dont give a funk what others think. They know what we can do, if challenged, and will not dare to challenge us. You fought with full UN/International support/supplies/press/media/Bono of U2 (the clown) etc.. and we fought with illegal support from Belgrade and Greece. And we got Dayton. If you dont like it, look north-east at russia and think again. They would love to invest on those oil fields in RS.
|
|
|
Post by Novus Dis on Jul 10, 2008 8:37:38 GMT -5
^ WTF is with you and the ustase dude? Do you have some ustasa fetish? You're the one writing about cutting out tongues.
|
|
Demonel
Amicus
I am Jack's regained insanity.
Posts: 833
|
Post by Demonel on Jul 10, 2008 12:20:23 GMT -5
Nope. I don't consider RS as my homeland.
Serbia is even younger than that by your logic.
|
|
|
Post by kapetan on Jul 10, 2008 15:04:47 GMT -5
Kapetan get real, no one feels "bosanac", nothing great about it. The only things worth mentioning were made while still in Yugoslavia. As far as international recognition of RS is concerned, we dont give a funk what others think. They know what we can do, if challenged, and will not dare to challenge us. You fought with full UN/International support/supplies/press/media/Bono of U2 (the clown) etc.. and we fought with illegal support from Belgrade and Greece. And we got Dayton. If you dont like it, look north-east at russia and think again. They would love to invest on those oil fields in RS. No. Alot of Serbs and Croats don't feel like "Bosanci". And that's too bad. The rest of us do and always have and fought and died for the country. We BEEN fighting and dying for it for hundreds of years. Sorry. We have our Bosnian culture and traditions and customs that you don't. Yours seem to be Serbian. That's great. This argument is dead and won't go anywhere, end it.
|
|
Kralj Vatra
Amicus
Warning: Sometimes uses foul language & insults!!!
20%
Posts: 9,814
|
Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 10, 2008 15:14:38 GMT -5
" We BEEN fighting and dying for it for hundreds of years."
dying in it maybe, dying for it?? Did you fight the turks? the austrians? the germans? Jesus Kapetan, some common sense would be nice for a change.
|
|
|
Post by kapetan on Jul 10, 2008 15:37:58 GMT -5
" We BEEN fighting and dying for it for hundreds of years." dying in it maybe, dying for it?? Did you fight the turks? the austrians? the germans? Jesus Kapetan, some common sense would be nice for a change. Wtf are you talking about? Turks - you realize everyone resisted them right? Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Albania etc....often together? Tvrtko sent men? And then hundres of years later...look up Husein-kapetan Gradascevic and the great Bosnian rebellion. He beat them in every battle (including beating them on Kosovo polje) but the last one where he was betrayed by herzegovina. He was exiled after and died. Austrians - granted here most fought for Austria so? They still saw it as fighting for their homes. Germans - more Bosniaks joined partisans then Handzar. Handzar only had like 20,000 men at the most by modern estimates. And even the ones from handzar fought for their land from their prespective. 90's - self explanitory. Don't even try to s**t on my peoples sacrafices, I'm not s**tting on yours.
|
|
Kralj Vatra
Amicus
Warning: Sometimes uses foul language & insults!!!
20%
Posts: 9,814
|
Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 10, 2008 16:44:53 GMT -5
This is a most loved banner here in the Bosniak forum: Also bosniaks flying turkish flags is a very common phenomenon during football matches between turks and some other country. If you fought against the turks, why all this passionate love for Turkey? P.S. I mean this love almost resembles the late albanian love for USA. (i am sure some time in the future albs will be making stories about how proud they stood against the NATO aggressors in Kosovo!!!)
|
|
|
Post by Novus Dis on Jul 10, 2008 16:46:46 GMT -5
more Bosniaks joined partisans then Handzar. Prove it.
|
|
MiG
Amicus
Republika
Posts: 4,793
|
Post by MiG on Jul 10, 2008 17:12:23 GMT -5
^ WTF is with you and the ustase dude? Do you have some ustasa fetish? You're the one writing about cutting out tongues. Does that mean someone's an ustasa. BTW, to je uzrjecica, ako nisi znao.
|
|
|
Post by kapetan on Jul 10, 2008 18:01:22 GMT -5
more Bosniaks joined partisans then Handzar. Prove it. Why do I need to? It's one of those general facts just like the fact that Serbs were the majority in partisans. Handzar at its peak had about 20,000 men some of which were croat catholics as well. So what happend to the other almost million something bosniaks? lol This is all I'll bother to paste. This political void was quickly filled with a number of opposition parties which recognized Muslims as a separate nation. Among them was the Communist Party of Yugoslavia, as a document from the 1930s reveals. It's no coincidence that a large number of Bosnian Muslims joined the Communist Party, and later the partisans, many of them becaming prominent political leaders and commandants.Hamdija Pozderac is one example. I hope you know who that is. if not wiki it. some even joined chetniks btw. its rare but it happend. I have pics of them with draza. You should know that I don't feel a need to prove it because I don't feel the need to excuse anything or make myself look better. We joined partisans and we joined Axis. People joined according to their current political view or situation. I'm not ashamed of either it's just a historical fact. Everyone suffered in ww2 not just serbs. By the New Year of 1943, over 100,000 Bosnian Muslims had been killed (9% of Bosniaks at the time) mostly by Serb Chetniks and 250,000 were refugees. "The Muslims" remarked one German General, "bear the special status of being persecuted by all others", from '"Himmler's Bosnian Division" by Georg Lepre, p15-16
|
|
|
Post by Novus Dis on Jul 10, 2008 18:49:47 GMT -5
Does that mean someone's an ustasa. BTW, to je uzrjecica, ako nisi znao. Cutting out tongues (as well as cutting of parts of the face and body) was a hobby for Ustashi. Why do I need to? It's one of those general facts just like the fact that Serbs were the majority in partisans. Handzar at its peak had about 20,000 men some of which were croat catholics as well. So what happend to the other almost million something bosniaks? lol Prior to 1944, the reason why anyone joined the Partizans was because of survival. Since Germans and Croats were murdering Serbs en masse (Hungarians, Italians and Albanians also murdered Serbs at a much lesser extent) it was necessary for Serbs to join the Partizans. Since Muslims werent being targeted by either the Germans or the Croats (or any other force), they had no reason to join the Partizans. This is all I'll bother to paste. This political void was quickly filled with a number of opposition parties which recognized Muslims as a separate nation. Among them was the Communist Party of Yugoslavia, as a document from the 1930s reveals. It's no coincidence that a large number of Bosnian Muslims joined the Communist Party, and later the partisans, many of them becaming prominent political leaders and commandants.Hamdija Pozderac is one example. I hope you know who that is. if not wiki it. There are prominent communists of all backgrounds... it proves nothing. some even joined chetniks btw. its rare but it happend. I have pics of them with draza. Aye, those loyal to Yugoslavia did join but not in large numbers. You should know that I don't feel a need to prove it because I don't feel the need to excuse anything or make myself look better. We joined partisans and we joined Axis. People joined according to their current political view or situation. I'm not ashamed of either it's just a historical fact. So if members of your family joined the Axis and partook in genocide you wouldn’t be ashamed? Anyway, if you don’t want to prove it then you shouldn’t make such crazy claims. Everyone suffered in ww2 not just serbs. Yeah but no one suffered as much as the Serbs in Yugoslavia during WW2. By the New Year of 1943, over 100,000 Bosnian Muslims had been killed (9% of Bosniaks at the time) mostly by Serb Chetniks and 250,000 were refugees. "The Muslims" remarked one German General, "bear the special status of being persecuted by all others", from '"Himmler's Bosnian Division" by Georg Lepre, p15-16 I need proof that “100,000 Bosnian Muslims had been killed” and that they were killed “by Serb Chetniks.”
|
|
|
Post by kapetan on Jul 10, 2008 19:03:22 GMT -5
I need proof that “100,000 Bosnian Muslims had been killed” and that they were killed “by Serb Chetniks.”
By the New Year of 1943, over 100,000 Bosnian Muslims had been killed (9% of Bosniaks at the time) mostly by Serb Chetniks and 250,000 were refugees. "The Muslims" remarked one German General, "bear the special status of being persecuted by all others", from '"Himmler's Bosnian Division" by Georg Lepre, p15-16
A f**kin NAZI GENERAL wrote himself that "muslims bear the special status of being persecuted by all others". And it also tells you right there what book it's in.
As per the most recent study, Bosnjaci u Jasenovackom logoru ("Bosniaks in Jasenovac concentration camp") by the author Nihad Halilbegovic, at least 103,000 Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslim Slavs) perished during Holocaust at the hands of the Nazi regime and Croatian Ustaše. According to the study "unknown is the full number of Bosniaks who were murdered under Serb or Croat alias or national name" and "large numbers of Bosniaks were killed and listed under Roma populations", therefore in advance sentenced to death and extermination.
I don't even see why you're suprised they killed way more Serbs, why is around a 100,000 Muslims a suprise? Half of them were probly partisan supporters.
If you care so much research it yourself.
|
|
|
Post by Novus Dis on Jul 10, 2008 19:14:31 GMT -5
I need proof that “100,000 Bosnian Muslims had been killed” and that they were killed “by Serb Chetniks.”By the New Year of 1943, over 100,000 Bosnian Muslims had been killed (9% of Bosniaks at the time) mostly by Serb Chetniks and 250,000 were refugees. "The Muslims" remarked one German General, "bear the special status of being persecuted by all others", from '"Himmler's Bosnian Division" by Georg Lepre, p15-16 A f**kin NAZI GENERAL wrote himself that "muslims bear the special status of being persecuted by all others". And it also tells you right there what book it's in. As per the most recent study, Bosnjaci u Jasenovackom logoru ("Bosniaks in Jasenovac concentration camp") by the author Nihad Halilbegovic, at least 103,000 Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslim Slavs) perished during Holocaust at the hands of the Nazi regime and Croatian Ustaše. According to the study "unknown is the full number of Bosniaks who were murdered under Serb or Croat alias or national name" and "large numbers of Bosniaks were killed and listed under Roma populations", therefore in advance sentenced to death and extermination. I don't even see why you're suprised they killed way more Serbs, why is around a 100,000 Muslims a suprise? Half of them were probly partisan supporters. If you care so much research it yourself. OH! By “100,000 Bosnian Muslims” they/you mean 100,000 Muslim Partizans. That makes a lot more sense.
|
|
|
Post by kapetan on Jul 10, 2008 19:48:54 GMT -5
umm ok.
What's the point of an argument when you'll just toss aside anything that doesn't sound like what you want? I mean honestly? You make it sound like we're incapable of being victims, only devils.
Anything that doesnt suit your view is just lies and trash? And anyone who said is just a liar or hates Serbs.
Whatever son, belive what you will.
|
|
|
Post by Novus Dis on Jul 10, 2008 19:55:54 GMT -5
umm ok. What's the point of an argument when you'll just toss aside anything that doesn't sound like what you want? I mean honestly? You make it sound like we're incapable of being victims, only devils. No, around 75,000 Muslims died in Jasenovac. I just don’t know where you got the 100,000 Muslims killed by Chetniks from. Anything that doesnt suit your view is just lies and trash? And anyone who said is just a liar or hates Serbs. Well if they make a claim then they should be able to prove it otherwise it is a lie.
|
|
|
Post by kapetan on Jul 10, 2008 20:04:22 GMT -5
umm ok. What's the point of an argument when you'll just toss aside anything that doesn't sound like what you want? I mean honestly? You make it sound like we're incapable of being victims, only devils. No, around 75,000 Muslims died in Jasenovac. I just don’t know where you got the 100,000 Muslims killed by Chetniks from. Anything that doesnt suit your view is just lies and trash? And anyone who said is just a liar or hates Serbs. Well if they make a claim then they should be able to prove it otherwise it is a lie. Take it up with the German General who said it rofl. And lets say you're right. it's 75,000, not 100,000 like this new study says. Wow, so much better.
|
|
MiG
Amicus
Republika
Posts: 4,793
|
Post by MiG on Jul 10, 2008 20:19:58 GMT -5
Does that mean someone's an ustasa. BTW, to je uzrjecica, ako nisi znao. Cutting out tongues (as well as cutting of parts of the face and body) was a hobby for Ustashi. Funny. Because thats the hobby of every single extremist group in the world. Why just point out the Ustase?
|
|
|
Post by markosijekira on Jul 10, 2008 22:22:47 GMT -5
"Dodika treba zaklati."
"Sooner or later it will happen. "
and which one of you brave warriors will take that butter knife and cut his head off with it?
Little hope for Bosnia, when people still talk about killing others because of what they belive in, whatever that may be.
|
|