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Post by markosijekira on Jul 10, 2008 22:45:32 GMT -5
"more Bosniaks joined partisans then Handzar."
Ofcourse , since the Handzar was but a single division of the Waffen SS. at 20,000 + it put it way above the standard division strength for German forces, which was 10,000.
On the other hand the NOViPOJ numbered nearly a million by 1945.
The Germans had a standing policy of executing a large number of peasants for every German soldier killed, and a little less for every German soldier wounded. Now, the Partisans represented all the people of Yugoslavia, as such, the reprisal policy of the Germans was directed against all the people of Yugoslavia, primarily in Bosnia since that was the theater of most partisan activity. They were just as likely to come to a bosniak village as a Serb village to execute 50 peasants for the death of Landser Hanz Dieter, shot in the head while guarding a depot or what have you.
This German policy had catastrophic consequences for the Wehrmacht. Basically people felt that they might as well join the partisans, since even if they stayed out of the fighting, chances were a German column would drive to their village and execute them for Hanzes death.
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Post by radovic on Jul 10, 2008 23:03:53 GMT -5
^ Of course more Bosniaks would join PArtisan then Waffen SS division. The simple fact is that I doubt Bosniaks wanted to join a military division in which there was a high probability of being sent to fight for the Germans in Russia.
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Post by kapetan on Jul 11, 2008 2:25:38 GMT -5
^ Of course more Bosniaks would join PArtisan then Waffen SS division. The simple fact is that I doubt Bosniaks wanted to join a military division in which there was a high probability of being sent to fight for the Germans in Russia. So this is your way of calling us cowards? Heh. The Germans certinly didn't think so. Himmler observed a fanatical, blind obedience in the Bosniaks. He thought that Muslim men would make perfect SS soldiers, as Islam "promises them Heaven if they fight and are killed in action.". Himmler was inspired by the success of Bosnian infantry regiments in WWI. Georges Lepre wrote that "Himmler endeavoured to restore what he called 'an old Austrian' tradition by reviving the Bosnian regiments of the former Austro-Hungarian army in the form of a Bosnian-muslim SS Division. I'll slap a punk ass Russian mayn! ;D
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Post by zgembo on Jul 11, 2008 4:25:08 GMT -5
Nope. I don't consider RS as my homeland. Serbia is even younger than that by your logic. Serbia was recognized as a country by the Treaty of Berlin 1878. RS is actually older than Bosnia. It proclaimed independence in January 1992, Bosnia did it in April 1992.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 11, 2008 4:56:38 GMT -5
"I'll slap a punk ass Russian mayn! "
Self hating slavs were always a gift to the germanics.
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Post by markosijekira on Jul 11, 2008 5:06:59 GMT -5
"Himmler observed a fanatical, blind obedience in the Bosniaks. He thought that Muslim men would make perfect SS soldiers, as Islam "promises them Heaven if they fight and are killed in action.". Himmler was inspired by the success of Bosnian infantry regiments in WWI."
A lot of good it did them, in the end they all died or tried to burn their uniforms and pretend they never heard of the Handzar, but in the end most were caught and executed, a quick death many of their victims did not have the luxury to receive.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 11, 2008 12:25:40 GMT -5
Funny. Because thats the hobby of every single extremist group in the world. Why just point out the Ustase? Which extremist groups would a Croat join whose members cut out tongues for fun? Take it up with the German General who said it rofl. And lets say you're right. it's 75,000, not 100,000 like this new study says. Wow, so much better. Your claim that 100,000 Muslims were killed by Chetniks is a massive difference from the 75,000 Muslims killed in Jasenovac.
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Post by radovic on Jul 11, 2008 12:51:34 GMT -5
^ Of course more Bosniaks would join PArtisan then Waffen SS division. The simple fact is that I doubt Bosniaks wanted to join a military division in which there was a high probability of being sent to fight for the Germans in Russia. So this is your way of calling us cowards? Heh. The Germans certinly didn't think so. Himmler observed a fanatical, blind obedience in the Bosniaks. He thought that Muslim men would make perfect SS soldiers, as Islam "promises them Heaven if they fight and are killed in action.". Himmler was inspired by the success of Bosnian infantry regiments in WWI. Georges Lepre wrote that "Himmler endeavoured to restore what he called 'an old Austrian' tradition by reviving the Bosnian regiments of the former Austro-Hungarian army in the form of a Bosnian-muslim SS Division. I'll slap a punk ass Russian mayn! ;D Clearly, you are an idiot who can't read. Did I mention any cowardess in my post. No. The only thing I mentioned was that Bosniaks joining Partisans over the Wafen SS made logical sense. Why would Bosniaks choose to fight for someone else's cause in a far away land as opposed to fighting in Bosnia.
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Post by kapetan on Jul 11, 2008 14:16:36 GMT -5
So this is your way of calling us cowards? Heh. The Germans certinly didn't think so. Himmler observed a fanatical, blind obedience in the Bosniaks. He thought that Muslim men would make perfect SS soldiers, as Islam "promises them Heaven if they fight and are killed in action.". Himmler was inspired by the success of Bosnian infantry regiments in WWI. Georges Lepre wrote that "Himmler endeavoured to restore what he called 'an old Austrian' tradition by reviving the Bosnian regiments of the former Austro-Hungarian army in the form of a Bosnian-muslim SS Division. I'll slap a punk ass Russian mayn! ;D Clearly, you are an idiot who can't read. Did I mention any cowardess in my post. No. The only thing I mentioned was that Bosniaks joining Partisans over the Wafen SS made logical sense. Why would Bosniaks choose to fight for someone else's cause in a far away land as opposed to fighting in Bosnia. Clearly you have no sense of humor.
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Post by MiG on Jul 11, 2008 14:17:11 GMT -5
I don't know. Maybe the Myanmar People's Army. Any group. Why should he give a shit?
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 11, 2008 14:36:28 GMT -5
I don't know. Maybe the Myanmar People's Army. Any group. Why should he give a s**t?
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Post by fukara on Jul 12, 2008 6:50:13 GMT -5
It is sad that on the news in Bosnia little time is given to the poor social conditions and corruption. Bosniak news blame serbs for everything, Serb news blame BiH for everything, and whilst the standars Bosniak votes for Hare, and the standard Serbs for Dodik Bosnia has no future what so over... The rich are getting richer, there was some fuss here in Tuzla that dnevni avaz, radoncic, cooperated with serbian tycoons that were connected with milosevic... whilst he earned his money from the war.....
Serb and Bosniak criminals work with each other, so should normal people to have a normal life...
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Post by zgembo on Jul 12, 2008 11:34:44 GMT -5
^ You are right, and nobody is saying that they shouldn't. We will always be neighbours. But why do we need to share a country? So long as Serbs and Bosniaks have to share power in a country, politicians from both sides will always have a convenient scapegoat for their mistakes. There will be no accountability or progress as a result. The only way you can change that is by forging a common identity. Considering we had a bloody war from 1992 to 1995, that is impossible. It is impossible now and it will be impossible in 50 years.
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Post by Sir Oliver on Jul 13, 2008 1:03:19 GMT -5
^ You are right, and nobody is saying that they shouldn't. We will always be neighbours. But why do we need to share a country? So long as Serbs and Bosniaks have to share power in a country, politicians from both sides will always have a convenient scapegoat for their mistakes. There will be no accountability or progress as a result. The only way you can change that is by forging a common identity. Considering we had a bloody war from 1992 to 1995, that is impossible. It is impossible now and it will be impossible in 50 years. I hate to say this mate but Bosniacs and Serbs have no other choice than to make things work within BiH together. It will take some grinning teeth, but its doable if both sides end up with the right leaders. Silajdzic and Dodik are not good examples.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 13, 2008 1:48:22 GMT -5
^I think the only way is for them to force both sides to mix, break up these entities and improve the workplace and education system.
Start the media with united Bosnian messages and shows about peace and working together.
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Post by kapetan on Jul 13, 2008 1:59:38 GMT -5
Honestly we just need something we can all hate together, and then we'll unite.
Poland or something.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 13, 2008 2:57:01 GMT -5
^ Why Poland? How about America?
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Post by wbb on Jul 13, 2008 3:04:01 GMT -5
i hope Dodic understands that Srpska is an autonomous region not a separate nation, so why remove the National flag? 2 serbia in balkans doesnt make sense, which should be serbia's capital then? Belgrade or Banja Luka, make up ur mind Dodic. This time Bosnians will kick ur arse with the help from the rest of the cyberworld.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 13, 2008 3:05:47 GMT -5
You know that's a funny idea because throughout history it has worked that way
In America for example, initially the anglo-saxons hated the italians/irish/ect., but once the Blacks entered the north into the cities, the italians & irish came together with the anglo saxons to hate the blacks. Then terrorist bombings started and the blacks came together with the anglo-saxons and italians/ect to hate the Arabs and Muslims.
Then soon enough in the future, all of mankind is going to come together to hate the robots which start taking our jobs and which we ironically created 20 years earlier.
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Post by kapetan on Jul 13, 2008 3:17:59 GMT -5
^ Why Poland? How about America? My parents always chuckle when we see Polish people, cuz they're reminded of how pathetic Yugoslavia viewed them, especialy when they used to come to our beaches and s**t. None of the guys wanted to get with the girls once they found out they were polish. They were just a pathetic dirty bunch. Every ex-Yugo I've met from all bacgrounds tells me the same. The older ones mostly though who spent plenty of their life living in the old Yugoslavia before the 80's and 90's. Poland is just pathetic and invasion worthy. Why you think Hitler got them first? Germans rolling in on tanks, Polish waiting for them on horses rofl. America deserves respect at least, no matter what your view of them is. They handle bizness.
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