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Post by kapetan on Jun 24, 2008 16:36:00 GMT -5
That is honestly the dumbest thing I have ever read... ever. The last thing anyone in Bosnia is for their country to end up like Kosovo. Take it from me, even the Balijas think Albanians are scum. Perhaps a few here on the forum believe in religious unity but you wont find a kind word from the majority of people in Bosnia. At least not in Zenica. No we don't, and stick to speaking for your own, not others.
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Post by radovic on Jun 24, 2008 17:04:25 GMT -5
Give that your turkish source here or name and surname of author? (of course you can't find but still i am waiting) In 1455 the Turks conducted a cadastral census. And here is the sourcing information: ^ The original Turkish-language copy of the census is stored in Istanbul's archives. However, in 1972 the Sarajevo Institute of Middle Eastern Studies translated the census and published an analysis of it Kovaèeviæ Mr. Ešref, Handžiæ A., Hadžibegoviæ H. Oblast Brankoviæa - Opširni katastarski popis iz 1455., Orijentalni institut, Sarajevo 1972. Subsequently others have covered the subject as well such as Vukanoviæ Tatomir, Srbi na Kosovu, Vranje, 1986. Njegos.org is a reliable source. The same census information can be found in Cetinje museums. Several reasons: - Economic. The benefits from tourism would come easily if Montenegro dissaciates it's self from Serbia. - The fiecrcely independent nature of the Montenegrins. - The fact that 30%+ of the electorate was a minority which was against the union. - 8 major undemocratic facts in the ways the referendum was carried out. Furthermore. The existance of 2 states means litterally nothing regarding ethniticities. Germany, Austria & Germanic Switzerland are all German ethnically yet seperate states.
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Post by vinjak on Jun 24, 2008 17:34:49 GMT -5
Oj Siptare this is for you Demographic history of Kosovo - Ottoman Rule: Encyclopedia II - Demographic history of Kosovo - Ottoman RuleDemographic history of Kosovo - 15th century. 1455: Turkish cadastral tax census (defter)[1] of the Brankovic dynasty lands (covering 80% of present-day Kosovo) recorded 480 villages, 13,693 adult males, 12,985 dwellings, 14,087 household heads (480 widows and 13,607 adult males). By ethnicity: 12,985 Serbian dwellings present in all 480 villages and towns 75 Vlach dwellings in 34 villages 46 Albanian dwellings in 23 villages 17 Bulg ... www.experiencefestival.com/a/Demographic_history_of_Kosovo_-_Ottoman_Rule/id/5213826If you type in Ottoman cadastral census in your search engine you would see for yourself. DUH
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Post by terroreign on Jun 24, 2008 17:44:28 GMT -5
Njegos.org is the most unreliable source on the net, HistoryofMacedonia.org has more credibility lol
We Montenegrins seperated due to our history and seperate culture/ethnicity
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Post by radovic on Jun 24, 2008 18:43:55 GMT -5
Njegos.org is the most unreliable source on the net, HistoryofMacedonia.org has more credibility lol We Montenegrins seperated due to our history and seperate culture/ethnicity You are not a Montenegrin. Njegos.org is reliable. They have been reviewed by and have been used as sources by, affirms this: - Encyclopedia Britannica - History Channel - CNN - BBC - McGraw-Hill Higher Education - The Daily Telegraph - CBC - ANSA - Lenta.ru - The Globalist - RCS
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 24, 2008 22:28:48 GMT -5
No we don't, and stick to speaking for your own, not others. People who advocate close relations between Muslims and Albanians are those who would be more at home on a street corner with a sign on their back that reads "the end is nigh!" You know what, don't take it from me. Go ask your family and friends that live in Bosnia what they think of Albanians.
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Post by raynon on Jun 24, 2008 22:56:09 GMT -5
People who advocate close relations between Muslims and Albanians are those who would be more at home on a street corner with a sign on their back that reads "the end is nigh!" You mean like how serbs were standing on bridges with pictures of targets on their chests? bahhahahahahahah! Nope we're not demented like serbs. You know what, don't take it from me. Go ask your family and friends that live in Bosnia what they think of Albanians. You think we give a hoot? As long as they pay their rents and debts on time, they can call us all the names they like. We call the shots in Bosnia.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 24, 2008 23:25:06 GMT -5
You mean like how serbs were standing on bridges with pictures of targets on their chests? bahhahahahahahah! Nope we're not demented like serbs. Its called Inat and no, you don't have cojones like Serbs do. No one does. You think we give a hoot? As long as they pay their rents and debts on time, they can call us all the names they like. We call the shots in Bosnia. Pay their rents and debts? Calling you names? LMFAO!
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Post by raynon on Jun 24, 2008 23:37:30 GMT -5
Its called Inat and no, you don't have cojones like Serbs do. No one does. Of course not. No one else was isolated and treated like a people residing in an insane asylum like Serbs were. We're not koo koo like Serbs. Pay their rents and debts? Yep, that's what you call a landlord or banker.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 24, 2008 23:40:44 GMT -5
Of course not. No one else was isolated and treated like a people residing in an insane asylum like Serbs were. We're not koo koo like Serbs. LMAO. How was Serbia both an isolated power and an interventionist power? Get your story straight! Yep, that's what you call a landlord or banker. You have no idea what a federation/confederation between Bosnia and Albania would mean so STFU. Have you even been to Bosnia?
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Post by raynon on Jun 24, 2008 23:48:12 GMT -5
LMAO. How was Serbia both an isolated power and an interventionist power? Get your story straight! Who said you were a power? In your imagination maybe. You were cowards with too many weapons on your hands and too many jobless men to feed in serbia. slobo needed to direct their attention elsewhere or else they would have buried him instead of those hundred of thousands of Bosnians, Slovenians, Croatians, Romas, Circassians, Turks and Albanian unarmed women, children and babos. You have no idea what a federation/confederation between Bosnia and Albania would mean so STFU. Have you even been to Bosnia? Albania needs no federation with any neighbor. It's srpska whose been squawking about federating with serbia. Albanians in Bosnia are doing well without interference from the motherland. and, i've been to Bosnia. Albanian owned banks in Sarajevo and Bihac are doing superbly. Better than all serbian banks, i should say. Much of Bosnia was built by Albanians. Bihac by my great great grandfathers. Sanjak on my father's side.
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Post by terroreign on Jun 24, 2008 23:53:06 GMT -5
Njegos.org is the most unreliable source on the net, HistoryofMacedonia.org has more credibility lol We Montenegrins seperated due to our history and seperate culture/ethnicity You are not a Montenegrin. Njegos.org is reliable. They have been reviewed by and have been used as sources by, affirms this: - Encyclopedia Britannica - History Channel - CNN - BBC - McGraw-Hill Higher Education - The Daily Telegraph - CBC - ANSA - Lenta.ru - The Globalist - RCS Izrode, that site is bull****, and none of those sites use that site as factual reference, just because they might link to them doesn't mean it works the other way around.
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Post by kapetan on Jun 24, 2008 23:55:40 GMT -5
No we don't, and stick to speaking for your own, not others. People who advocate close relations between Muslims and Albanians are those who would be more at home on a street corner with a sign on their back that reads "the end is nigh!" You know what, don't take it from me. Go ask your family and friends that live in Bosnia what they think of Albanians. I didn't advocate anything. I said don't speak on behalf of us. Stick to speaking for yours, or better yet just for yourself. As for what Bosniaks think about Albanians, I'd imagine their opinions vary person to person, as with anyone on any sibject in the world. Me personaly and everyone I've ever known has never had any problem with Albanians and would rather ally with them in any conflict then they would with Serbs. Bosniaks and Albanians usualy get along almost anywhere from New York to Bosnia and those who are religious go to the same mosques alot of the time. We've never done anything to eachother, so the level of animosity or love isn't higher then any nation would have for any other neighboring nation that doesn't affect it.
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Post by kapetan on Jun 25, 2008 0:01:54 GMT -5
You are not a Montenegrin. Njegos.org is reliable. They have been reviewed by and have been used as sources by, affirms this: - Encyclopedia Britannica - History Channel - CNN - BBC - McGraw-Hill Higher Education - The Daily Telegraph - CBC - ANSA - Lenta.ru - The Globalist - RCS Izrode, that site is bull****, and none of those sites use that site as factual reference, just because they might link to them doesn't mean it works the other way around. You're a Montenegrin, and you don't need the Serbs permission to be one. They have this annoying habit of trying to rob everyone of their identity for some reason. Seems like everyone in the Balkans is just a Serb who decided to be traitors call themsevles something else There's a reason Montenegro has always had it's own distinct identity and always been treated as such. The only major tie with Serbia is that alot of Montenegrins accepted the Serbian Orthodox faith and started calling themsevles Serbs. Even though alot of the clans were half Albanian by blood like the Kuci clan. Truth is all the people from the mountainous regions of Northern Albania, Montengro and Southern Herzegovina have some simmilarities in culture.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 25, 2008 0:26:32 GMT -5
Who said you were a power? In your imagination maybe. You were cowards with too many weapons on your hands and too many jobless men to feed in serbia. slobo needed to direct their attention elsewhere or else they would have buried him instead of those hundred of thousands of Bosnians, Slovenians, Croatians, Romas, Circassians, Turks and Albanian unarmed women, children and babos. Albania needs no federation with any neighbor. It's srpska whose been squawking about federating with serbia. Albanians in Bosnia are doing well without interference from the motherland. and, i've been to Bosnia. Albanian owned banks in Sarajevo and Bihac are doing superbly. Better than all serbian banks, i should say. Much of Bosnia was built by Albanians. Bihac by my great great grandfathers. Sanjak on my father's side. Are you sherioush? I may regret this but: citation needed. I didn't advocate anything. I said don't speak on behalf of us. Stick to speaking for yours, or better yet just for yourself. As for what Bosniaks think about Albanians, I'd imagine their opinions vary person to person, as with anyone on any sibject in the world. Me personaly and everyone I've ever known has never had any problem with Albanians and would rather ally with them in any conflict then they would with Serbs. Bosniaks and Albanians usualy get along almost anywhere from New York to Bosnia and those who are religious go to the same mosques alot of the time. Point taken. We've never done anything to eachother, so the level of animosity or love isn't higher then any nation would have for any other neighboring nation that doesn't affect it. Not quite true. Serb Muslims... or "Bosniaks" as you call them... have suffered the same fate as Serbs in Kosovo.
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Post by vinjak on Jun 25, 2008 1:52:47 GMT -5
Ok first of all this Rynon is not a Albanian but a American redneck and she should not be taken serious whatsoever. Just ignore this whackjob.
Second as far as love between Bosniaks and Siptars well its only there while they have a common enemy get rid of that and all that is left is Slavs and ....ummm well I dont even know what they are.
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Post by markosijekira on Jun 25, 2008 2:07:21 GMT -5
Serbs and Bosniaks both eat cevape, drink Rakija and listen to Turbo folk ;D that alone should be enough to mold a new republic
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Post by kapetan on Jun 25, 2008 2:27:29 GMT -5
See what I mean? Just can't tolerate anyone else having an identity or culture. Anyone who denies Bosnia is today a distinct culture/people from Serbia and Croatia, is in denial. BTW even before Islam Bosnians had their own church which was considered heretical by both Serb Orthodox and Croat Catholic peoples. Bosniak isn't what I call them, it's the term used for inhabitans of Bosnia for centuries untill Communism. Look it up.
And wrong. The KLA got rid of anyone who opposed it's goals, regardless be they Serb, Roma, Bosniak or Albanian. It wasn't out of pur ehatred for anything non Albanian.
A decent amount of Bosniaks fought in the KLA.
Certain Bosnian army and paramilitary figures supplied KLA with arms and training even at times.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jun 25, 2008 2:28:57 GMT -5
The only major tie with Serbia is that alot of Montenegrins accepted the Serbian Orthodox faith and started calling themsevles Serbs. Nemas ti pojma sta Srbijanci i Crnogorci imaju zajednicko.
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Post by kapetan on Jun 25, 2008 2:29:52 GMT -5
Why don't you inform me then.
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