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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 6, 2008 4:09:05 GMT -5
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Post by theblackswans on Jun 6, 2008 13:20:00 GMT -5
Stupid opinion so what, it was a Siege the Serbs had attempted to take the city on numerous occasions in 1992. Eventually they realized they didn't have the stomach or the manpower to occupy the city. Also the cowards besieging the city didn't have the guts for pitched street battles. Also Bosnian army counter offenses in 1992 Drove the Serbs off of some of the smaller hills in the western part of the city making an attack from there less likely. Also the cetniks in Grbavica weren't 100% under control of the VRS in Lukavica making a coordinated attack even more difficult. After 1992 the goal changed from taking the city to cutting it in two Serb Sarajevo and a Bosniak Sarajevo or forcing the capitulation of the government or generally applying pressure so that they would have a free hand in the rest of the country to do as they please. It was still a siege, that is a stupid statement many sieges in history were not meant for a quick military victory as much as control and starving a population which is what the serbs were able to do.
Calling it a divided city isn't accurate either, the city was held by the Armija BiH the suburbs were split between Armija BiH and VRS.
Serbs in 1996 were burned out of their homes by the SDS. The propaganda put out by Serbian TV was terrible making all sorts of claims that never came true (of course!).
Serbs wanted the woman and children to leave Sarajevo so that the city would be abandoned and easier to take! what would be left do defend if the civillian population was allowed to leave!
Your such an as*hole, you are always so full of sh*t. Were you in Sarajevo during the war? Your a coward and you are a disgrace to real Serbs!
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Post by Boško Buha on Jun 6, 2008 13:57:04 GMT -5
The main goal in the beginning of the war for the Bosnian Army was to eliminate all Serbian snipers that were inside the city. I've heard stories about Juka Prazina throwing Serbian snipers from thier hideouts.
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Post by niquetamere on Jun 6, 2008 15:08:07 GMT -5
The main goal in the beginning of the war for the Bosnian Army was to eliminate all Serbian snipers that were inside the city. I've heard stories about Juka Prazina throwing Serbian snipers from thier hideouts. That was done by Dragan Vikic. He threw Serbian snipers out of windows and off of high buildings. People in Sarajevo love him. Juka Prazina was a war profiteer, he helped saved Alipasino Polje because thats where his brother still lived during the war with his Serbian wife and her father. I'm sure he was brutal against some Serbs, but he also worked out deals with many of them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jusuf_Prazina
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Post by Boško Buha on Jun 6, 2008 15:49:37 GMT -5
The main goal in the beginning of the war for the Bosnian Army was to eliminate all Serbian snipers that were inside the city. I've heard stories about Juka Prazina throwing Serbian snipers from thier hideouts. That was done by Dragan Vikic. He threw Serbian snipers out of windows and off of high buildings. People in Sarajevo love him. Juka Prazina was a war profiteer, he helped saved Alipasino Polje because thats where his brother still lived during the war with his Serbian wife and her father. I'm sure he was brutal against some Serbs, but he also worked out deals with many of them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jusuf_PrazinaI knew Juka Prazina because he lived in the building next to mine. We went outside one day and a sniper began shooting at us from the building in c-faza. We called up Juka and told him and I guess he killed him...dunno. ;D
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Post by theblackswans on Jun 6, 2008 15:51:44 GMT -5
The main goal in the beginning of the war for the Bosnian Army was to eliminate all Serbian snipers that were inside the city. I've heard stories about Juka Prazina throwing Serbian snipers from thier hideouts. I guess Juka wasn't all bad! ;D
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Post by theblackswans on Jun 6, 2008 15:54:25 GMT -5
The main goal in the beginning of the war for the Bosnian Army was to eliminate all Serbian snipers that were inside the city. I've heard stories about Juka Prazina throwing Serbian snipers from thier hideouts. That was done by Dragan Vikic. He threw Serbian snipers out of windows and off of high buildings. People in Sarajevo love him. Juka Prazina was a war profiteer, he helped saved Alipasino Polje because thats where his brother still lived during the war with his Serbian wife and her father. I'm sure he was brutal against some Serbs, but he also worked out deals with many of them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jusuf_PrazinaDragan Vikic is a true hero from the Bosnian war. Juka did defend the alipasino Polje area before he spun out of control. If it wasn't for his defense there is a good chance this area could have been taken as well in early 1992. The Serbs wanted Dobrinja and Alpasino Polje bad!
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Post by theblackswans on Jun 6, 2008 15:56:50 GMT -5
The main goal in the beginning of the war for the Bosnian Army was to eliminate all Serbian snipers that were inside the city. I've heard stories about Juka Prazina throwing Serbian snipers from thier hideouts. 1992 was brutal especially early, people would here the shelling and actually go outside or go to the window to see what was happening and it would cause more casualties. Also the 5th columnists Serbs who stayed behind to pass information and wreak havoc put a terrible physcological burden on the people of Sarajevo.
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Post by Boško Buha on Jun 6, 2008 17:18:54 GMT -5
When Serbs began to set up barackades around the city, Juka Prazina set up his men on top of the hills around Alipasino Polje and they were waiting for the attack. I really want to find video about the begenning stages of Serbs entering Sarajevo and the escalation...
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Post by theblackswans on Jun 6, 2008 20:42:30 GMT -5
When Serbs began to set up barackades around the city, Juka Prazina set up his men on top of the hills around Alipasino Polje and they were waiting for the attack. I really want to find video about the begenning stages of Serbs entering Sarajevo and the escalation... I have a friend who fought with the Special police from the begining and his brother(RIP) was in the Kulan Ban unit of the 1.Korpus he has promised me footage from 1992 that has never been released before, he is waiting to transfer the files to DVD then he will send them to me
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Post by niquetamere on Jun 6, 2008 23:20:53 GMT -5
That was done by Dragan Vikic. He threw Serbian snipers out of windows and off of high buildings. People in Sarajevo love him. Juka Prazina was a war profiteer, he helped saved Alipasino Polje because thats where his brother still lived during the war with his Serbian wife and her father. I'm sure he was brutal against some Serbs, but he also worked out deals with many of them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jusuf_PrazinaI knew Juka Prazina because he lived in the building next to mine. We went outside one day and a sniper began shooting at us from the building in c-faza. We called up Juka and told him and I guess he killed him...dunno. ;D Which Tetovska are you from? Juka was in 2, I lived in 4th where his brother Mute was.
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Post by niquetamere on Jun 6, 2008 23:22:52 GMT -5
When Serbs began to set up barackades around the city, Juka Prazina set up his men on top of the hills around Alipasino Polje and they were waiting for the attack. I really want to find video about the begenning stages of Serbs entering Sarajevo and the escalation... I remember that day like it was yesterday! I lived in B Faza so we were glued to the television. They showed him and bunch of his supporters stopping a tank from Vojnicko Polje that was on its way to enter through the blue building and Juka stopped them and they turned away. He became a legend after that. Too bad he fucked it up in Mostar and went against Bosniacs.
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Post by Boško Buha on Jun 7, 2008 13:21:26 GMT -5
I knew Juka Prazina because he lived in the building next to mine. We went outside one day and a sniper began shooting at us from the building in c-faza. We called up Juka and told him and I guess he killed him...dunno. ;D Which Tetovska are you from? Juka was in 2, I lived in 4th where his brother Mute was. Is that the name of the street before or after the war because the city changed most of the street names. I lived on alipasino polje b-faza close to the school.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Jun 7, 2008 13:48:23 GMT -5
if the goal were to occupy the city it would been done in a day.... i saw some tv program yesterday a serb tuzla citizen who fought in VRS he was some kind of radio man i dont know, but they were talking about the war and he said, that tuzla, sarajevo was aimed with Air assault, and that the both citys would be destoryd in minutes if the wanted so, but good thing it didnt happen..
I know some of u guys like ABIH but come on.. Abih were nothing compared to VRS and HVO.... Yes u guys maybe had moral and all that but u were outnumbered in every way...
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Post by srbobran on Jun 7, 2008 14:19:26 GMT -5
The goal wasn't to take the city it was to put pressure on it. We could have entered and captured it if we really wanted to but that was not the objective.
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Post by niquetamere on Jun 7, 2008 16:10:32 GMT -5
Which Tetovska are you from? Juka was in 2, I lived in 4th where his brother Mute was. Is that the name of the street before or after the war because the city changed most of the street names. I lived on alipasino polje b-faza close to the school. Tetovska is Semira Fraste now. (has been since 1995)
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Post by wachojacko on Jun 7, 2008 16:16:12 GMT -5
Okey, here is the deal.. ARBiH had more man power, but little heavy weapons. VRS had less man power, more weapons and gear.. Sarajevo could not have been taken seen as the VRS did not posses enough soldiers to go into street battles, and here the VRS would not have the upper hand.. The goal at the start was to take the city, and cut through it at the middle.. Few Serbs will admit this, but when discussing why what happened as regards to the fighting one has to take into consideration that regardless of the politics the Bosniacs were fighting for their survival. Kind of similar, but with far far fewer casualties then the Serbs west of the Drina river in the second world war… [as in Serbs joining partisans just to live although they were anti communists] Seen as the Bosniaks could not give up, since they would have been the first south Slavic people to go extinct had they given up, after all, all places captured by either side in the war, and especially the Serbian side at the start of the war was ethnically cleansed. And the Bosniaks are the smallest of the three peoples that speak Serbian, had they surrendered they would have been driven out for good. Anyways this lead to a stalemate, Bosnian forces couldn’t lift the siege, or the half siege to be honest. Serbs could not enter the city, and bosniaks could not give up for the fear of their existence. So the ARBiH stayed put in Sarajevo, and the VRS shelled the city, the terror shelling of the city only raised moral, since they now had to fight back seen as their family was getting killed in their own apartments.. Had not the VRS leadership been so stupid as to terror bomb, and ethnically cleanse cities, the Muslims would probably have given up, given their desperate and meaningless situation. Mladic even said this to Karadzic, “people are not little stones, we can not wage war with peoples blablabla” Serbias border would have been Knin had someone smarter, and less fascist been in charge. Now we are even losing to siptars… Tetovska is Semira Fraste now.nemate pametnija posla nego menate ulice
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 7, 2008 18:05:50 GMT -5
Serbs were being cleansed from inner Bosnia and the Balijas did commit terror bombings, WJ. Though they may not have had the same amount of artillery the Yugoslav forces had, they certainly had enough bombs and mortars to cause propaganda events.
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Post by Boško Buha on Jun 7, 2008 18:16:23 GMT -5
Is that the name of the street before or after the war because the city changed most of the street names. I lived on alipasino polje b-faza close to the school. Tetovska is Semira Fraste now. (has been since 1995) Aha yeah my building is on Nerkeza Smajlagica befor Spanski Boraca.
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Post by theblackswans on Jun 8, 2008 15:38:29 GMT -5
if the goal were to occupy the city it would been done in a day.... i saw some tv program yesterday a serb tuzla citizen who fought in VRS he was some kind of radio man i dont know, but they were talking about the war and he said, that tuzla, sarajevo was aimed with Air assault, and that the both citys would be destoryd in minutes if the wanted so, but good thing it didnt happen.. I know some of u guys like ABIH but come on.. Abih were nothing compared to VRS and HVO.... Yes u guys maybe had moral and all that but u were outnumbered in every way... Are you Serious with that HVO crap? The HVO got smashed both by the VRS and the ABiH. The HV came in with large numbers of men and equipment just to prop it up. The VRS didn't have the stomach for what it would take to occupy the city. They tried to occupy the city in 1992 and when they saw what they would be exposed to in order to occomplish the mission the decision was made to apply the pressure to the city and to avoid full scale assults and occupation. The VRS would have lost so much men and material in such an assult it would have jeprodized all there other operations.
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