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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 17, 2008 5:39:44 GMT -5
Each side underestimating the other side's will and ability to fight is one of main reasons the war in Bosnia started the first time. Don’t make the same again. The last thing anyone wants or needs is a war in Bosnia as the war in Bosnia was much more bloody then the wars in Croatia or Kosovo.
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Post by osmano on Mar 17, 2008 5:51:52 GMT -5
Each side underestimating the other side's will and ability to fight is one of main reasons the war in Bosnia started the first time. Don’t make the same again. The last thing anyone wants or needs is a war in Bosnia as the war in Bosnia was much more bloody then the wars in Croatia or Kosovo. War must never be excluded as an option, war is every Bosnians duty if the cetniks ever break the peace agreement.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 17, 2008 6:01:50 GMT -5
Each side underestimating the other side's will and ability to fight is one of main reasons the war in Bosnia started the first time. Don’t make the same again. The last thing anyone wants or needs is a war in Bosnia as the war in Bosnia was much more bloody then the wars in Croatia or Kosovo. War must never be excluded as an option, war is every Bosnians duty if the cetniks ever break the peace agreement. Muslim domination of Bosnia is what fuelled the war last time. Unfortunately Bosnia is no longer a Serb state as it was before the Ottomans showed up. Perhaps you should take Emir Kusturica’s route and realise you are all Serb by blood.
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Post by osmano on Mar 17, 2008 6:12:44 GMT -5
War must never be excluded as an option, war is every Bosnians duty if the cetniks ever break the peace agreement. Muslim domination of Bosnia is what fuelled the war last time. Unfortunately Bosnia is no longer a Serb state as it was before the Ottomans showed up. Perhaps you should take Emir Kusturica’s route and realise you are all Serb by blood. Perhaps everyone in Bosnia who consider them self’s to be "serbs" should take Emir Kusturica’s route and move to Serbia.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 17, 2008 6:17:53 GMT -5
Muslim domination of Bosnia is what fuelled the war last time. Unfortunately Bosnia is no longer a Serb state as it was before the Ottomans showed up. Perhaps you should take Emir Kusturica’s route and realise you are all Serb by blood. Perhaps everyone in Bosnia who consider them self’s to be "serbs" should take Emir Kusturica’s route and move to Serbia. Why should they leave their native lands? Orthodox Christians in Bosnia have more claim to the land then Muslims do.
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Post by Duke John on Mar 17, 2008 6:19:15 GMT -5
Emir is just one comfused guy,a disgrace of bosnia, if the Bosniaks were same blood as serbs there whould not been differences and war, i really think that Bosniaks will go to war again if the serbs try soemthing, this time there is no more the whole capacity of JNA to use like uncontrolled wild animals, Bosniaks are brave, i really respect them how they created an army in the middle of the war, bravo bre.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 17, 2008 6:23:41 GMT -5
Emir is just one comfused guy,a disgrace of bosnia, if the Bosniaks were same blood as serbs there whould not been differences and war, i really think that Bosniaks will go to war again if the serbs try soemthing, this time there is no more the whole capacity of JNA to use like uncontrolled wild animals, Bosniaks are brave, i really respect them how they created an army in the middle of the war, bravo bre. Your assumption that those of same blood do not kill each other because of religion would be laughable if millions hadn’t died from religiously motivated wars around the world. And Emir is probably one of the least confused Bosniaks in the world. At least he realises that he is a Serb unlike the hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Bosnia who still want to keep up the illusion.
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Post by osmano on Mar 17, 2008 6:27:43 GMT -5
Why should they leave their native lands? They should leave because they consider them self’s to be "serbs". I strongly disagree because Muslims love Bosnia, Muslims defend Bosnia, Muslims die for Bosnia while the orthodox "serb" traitors attempt to destroy Bosnia and make it a part of greater Serbia.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 17, 2008 7:13:06 GMT -5
They should leave because they consider them self’s to be "serbs". Ridiculous. I strongly disagree because Muslims love Bosnia, Muslims defend Bosnia, Muslims die for Bosnia while the orthodox "serb" traitors attempt to destroy Bosnia and make it a part of greater Serbia. Bosnia was a Serb state much like Montenegro before the Ottomans invaded. The only traitors in Bosnia are the children of Muslim landlords who believe that there is a difference between a Bosnian and a Serb. The only difference is where you were born. A person born in Bosnia is a Bosnian. A person born in Montenegro is a Montenegrin. A person born in Serbia is a Serbian. But we are all Serbs more or less.
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Post by osmano on Mar 17, 2008 7:33:43 GMT -5
They should leave because they consider them self’s to be "serbs". Ridiculous. Not at all. Bosnia was a Serb state much like Montenegro before the Ottomans Bosnia was NOT serb before the Ottomans. The only traitors in Bosnia are the children of Muslim landlords Actually we the Muslim ancestors of the Bosnian landlords DEFEND Bosnia against orthodox christian traitors who want Bosnia to be part of greater Serbia. A person born in Bosnia is a Bosnian. Which is the reason why the so called "serbs" in Bosnia should move to Serbia. But we are all Serbs more or less. Not at all, the so called "serbs" in Bosnia are not serbs, they are a mixture of orthodox-christian bosniaks and orthodox-christian vlachs who where imported by the ottomans to work as gastarbeiters in Bosnia. And frankly they don’t belong in Bosnia since they chose to call themselves as serbs,, they should follow Nemanja Kusturicas example and move to Serbia.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 17, 2008 7:48:11 GMT -5
Actually we the Muslim ancestors of the Bosnian landlords DEFEND Bosnia against orthodox christian traitors who want Bosnia to be part of greater Serbia. Defended from Greater Serbia? The Serbs were fighting to preserve Yugoslavia unlike their Muslim counterparts who wanted to dominate a region (Bosnia) which had more Christians then Muslims (Serbs and Croats together make up more then 50% of the population in Bosnia and over 70% of the land). Which is the reason why the so called "serbs" in Bosnia should move to Serbia. A person born in Serbia is a SERBIAN. A person born in Bosnia is a BOSNIAN. A person born in Montenegro is a MONTENEGRIN. A person born in Serbia, Bosnia or Montenegro is a SERB unless they are specifically a Croat or Albanian. Not at all, the so called "serbs" in Bosnia are not serbs, they are a mixture of orthodox-christian bosniaks and orthodox-christian vlachs who where imported by the turks to work as gastarbeiter in Bosnia. And frankly they don’t belong in Bosnia since they chose to call themselves as serbs,, they should follow Nemanja Kusturicas example and move to Serbia. Bosnian Serbs are not descended from Vlachs. The only articles I have read which states that is written by pro-Ustasha sympathizers. The Serbs in Bosnia are just that, Serbs. Serbs lived in Bosnia long before Muslims showed up. If you think that Bosniaks are a different ethnicity from Serbs, you are sadly mistaken.
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Post by osmano on Mar 17, 2008 8:07:30 GMT -5
Actually we the Muslim ancestors of the Bosnian landlords DEFEND Bosnia against orthodox christian traitors who want Bosnia to be part of greater Serbia. Defended from Greater Serbia? The Serbs were fighting to preserve Yugoslavia By proclaiming serb republics and ethnically cleansing non-serbs from 30% of Croatia and 70% of Bosnia-Hercegovina. unlike their Muslim counterparts who wanted to dominate a region (Bosnia) which had more Christians then Muslims If the muslim minority wanted to dominate a state then they would have agreed to your cetnik-ustasa proposals of dividing Bosnia. Instead Muslims/Bosniaks SAVED Bosnia against the orthodox christian traitors who attempted to move Serbias border west of the river Drina. A person born in Bosnia is a SERB There are no "serbs" in Bosnia, only a sad mixture of orthodox bosniaks and vlachs who claim to be "serbs".
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 17, 2008 8:45:05 GMT -5
By proclaiming serb republics and ethnically cleansing non-serbs from 30% of Croatia and 70% of Bosnia-Hercegovina. Before the war started, Serbs and Croats controlled 70% of the territory within Bosnia. If the muslim minority wanted to dominate a state then they would have agreed to your cetnik-ustasa proposals of dividing Bosnia. Instead Muslims/Bosniaks SAVED Bosnia against the orthodox christian traitors who attempted to move Serbias border west of the river Drina. What proposals? In 1994 Milosevic put an embargo on both Republika Srpska and Srpska Krajina. Republika Srpska always remained an independent state from Serbia. You’re forgetting the loyalist forces of Abdic who fought against the traitorous forces of Izebegovic. How exactly did Croatia agree to carve up Bosnia when Croat forces fought alongside Muslim forces for 2 out of the 3 years of fighting? Why did Serbs and Croats agree to carve up Bosnia when they were fighting each other? The theory that Milosevic and Tudjman planned to curve up Bosnia is ridiculous and doesn’t play out. There are no "serbs" in Bosnia, only a sad mixture of orthodox bosniaks and vlachs who claim to be "serbs". Believe whatever lies you wish but if we are Vlachs then you are Turks.
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Post by osmano on Mar 17, 2008 9:32:40 GMT -5
If the muslim minority wanted to dominate a state then they would have agreed to your cetnik-ustasa proposals of dividing Bosnia. Instead Muslims/Bosniaks SAVED Bosnia against the orthodox christian traitors who attempted to move Serbias border west of the river Drina. What proposals? Those created in Karadjordjevo 1991: and Graz 1992,, presented as the "Owen-Stoltenberg-plan" in 1993: On August 20, the U.N. mediators Thorvald Stoltenberg and David Owen unveiled a map that would partition Bosnia into three ethnic mini-states, in which the cetnik forces would be given 52 percent of Bosnia's territory, the ustashas would receive 18 percent and the Bosnian government would keep the remaining 30 percent. The Bosniak delegation rejected this evil plan and saved Bosnia.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 17, 2008 9:56:46 GMT -5
You only think the plan was evil because Muslims weren’t allowed to dominate the rest of Bosnia. Sorry to tell you but power mongering will get you nowhere. Had Izebegovic agreed on that plan instead of listening to his US and EU compatriots then 2 years of unnecessary war could have been avoided. The greed of the Izebegovic leadership led to tens of thousands more being needlessly killed. And this plan is barely different from the Dayton agreement of 1995 so the only thing the Bosniak delegation saved was the Izebegovic ruling party.
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Post by osmano on Mar 17, 2008 10:21:43 GMT -5
You only think the plan was evil because Muslims weren’t allowed to dominate the rest of Bosnia. Learn to read: If the muslim minority wanted to dominate a state then they would have agreed to your cetnik-ustasa proposals of dividing Bosnia. Instead Muslims/Bosniaks SAVED Bosnia against the orthodox christian traitors who attempted to move Serbias border west of the river Drina. Had Izebegovic agreed on that plan then 2 years of unnecessary war could have been avoided. Izetbegovic had no right to agree to the evil plan since it was his obligation as president of Bosnia to defend Bosnians borders, which he did. So those 2 extra years of war where not unnecessary at all, they saved Bosnia, in fact not even 20 or 200 years of war could ever be described as "unnecessary" if they save Bosnia! That is also the reason why I said that war should never be excluded as an option since it is every Bosnians duty to defend Bosnia from cetnik scum who attempt to destroy our country by making it a part of Serbia. And this plan is barely different from the Dayton agreement of 1995 so the only thing the Bosniak delegation saved was the Izebegovic ruling party. You are truly an idiot, according to this evil plan from 1993 Bosnia was supposed to give up 70% of it’s territory which is not the case in Dayton1995 where Bosnia’s borders remain the same as they have been since 1946 when the cetniks took away half of our coast.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 17, 2008 10:36:53 GMT -5
Learn to read: If the muslim minority wanted to dominate a state then they would have agreed to your cetnik-ustasa proposals of dividing Bosnia. Instead Muslims/Bosniaks SAVED Bosnia against the orthodox christian traitors who attempted to move Serbias border west of the river Drina.So Serbs in Bosnia are traitors for not betraying Yugoslavia? Or are they traitors for not allowing to be dominated by a political party who wished to install Sharia law in Bosnia? Izetbegovic had no right to agree to the evil plan since it was his obligation as president of Bosnia to defend Bosnians borders, which he did. So those 2 extra years of war where not unnecessary at all, they saved Bosnia, in fact not even 20 or 200 years of war could ever be described as "unnecessary" if they save Bosnia! That is also the reason why I said that war should never be excluded as an option since it is every Bosnians duty to defend Bosnia from cetnik scum who attempt to destroy our country by making it a part of Serbia. You’re claims are baseless as Republika Srpska was a completely different entity from Serbia. Serbia under Milosevic tried their best to bring Karadzic to the negotiating table (using economic sanctions in 1994) even though Izebegovic kept turning down proposals that were very reasonable. He wanted all of Bosnia to himself. His power mongering needlessly prolonged a bloody civil war. You are truly an idiot, according to this evil plan from 1993 Bosnia was supposed to give up 70% of it’s territory which is not the case in Dayton1995 where Bosnia’s borders remain the same as they have been since 1946 when the cetniks took away half of our coast. The only Muslims who prospered from the war was Izebegovic and his cronies. The Dayton proposal gives nothing new to the Muslims who have to share power with Croats. If anything, Muslims lucked out.
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Post by osmano on Mar 17, 2008 11:17:28 GMT -5
So Serbs in Bosnia are traitors for not betraying Yugoslavia? Or are they traitors for not allowing to be dominated by a political party who wished to install Sharia law in Bosnia? They are traitors for proclaiming a serb republic west of the Drina river. And to educate yourself about what you in Serbia call "installation of Sharia-laws" visit Izetbeovics party’s homepage: www.sda.ba/tekst.php?article_id=34Sponsored by it’s great Islamic Sharia-friend and political partner European Peoples Party: www.epp.eu/membersorted.php?landID=37Also known as the ruling party in EU ;D The only Muslims who prospered from the war was Izebegovic and his cronies. The Dayton proposal gives nothing new to the Muslims who have to share power with Croats. If anything, Muslims lucked out. I guess you simply can not accept the fact that "muslims"(BOSNIAKS), unlike the cetniks and ustase, never wanted Bosnia for them self’s alone. How else can one explain the fact that you simply refuse the recognize the major difference between the proposal of 1993 in which Bosnia consists of 15000 km2 instead of 51000 km2 as it does today, as it did in 1992 and as it has done since 1946 when the cetniks took away half of our coast.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 17, 2008 11:55:32 GMT -5
They are traitors for proclaiming a serb republic west of the Drina river. And to educate yourself about what you in Serbia call "installation of Sharia-laws" visit Izetbeovics party’s homepage: www.sda.ba/tekst.php?article_id=34Sponsored by it’s great Islamic Sharia-friend and political partner European Peoples Party: www.epp.eu/membersorted.php?landID=37Also known as the ruling party in EU ;D www.srpska-mreza.com/Yugoslavia/views/alija3.htmlI guess you simply can not accept the fact that "muslims"(BOSNIAKS), unlike the cetniks and ustase, never wanted Bosnia for them self’s alone. How else can one explain the fact that you simply refuse the recognize the major difference between the proposal of 1993 in which Bosnia consists of 15000 km2 instead of 51000 km2 as it does today, as it did in 1992 and as it has done since 1946 when the cetniks took away half of our coast. Had they wanted to share Bosnia with others then they would have agreed with a peace proposal back in 1993. Though I don’t believe any people in Bosnia wanted the war to happen, public opinion didn’t matter as the ambitions of Izebegovic were more important.
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Post by osmano on Mar 17, 2008 12:09:21 GMT -5
Had they wanted to share Bosnia with others then they would have agreed with a peace proposal back in 1993. You are such a retard, the proposal from 1993 was supposed to created 2 new states and END the existence of a mulit-religious Bosnia: On August 20, the U.N. mediators Thorvald Stoltenberg and David Owen unveiled a map that would partition Bosnia into three ethnic mini-states, in which the cetnik forces would be given 52 percent of Bosnia's territory, the ustashas would receive 18 percent and the Bosnian government would keep the remaining 30 percent. The Bosniak delegation rejected this evil plan and saved Bosnia.
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