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Post by karabin on Mar 14, 2009 20:11:00 GMT -5
LOL! you are not NATO, you are a banana country NATO puppet. But in case NATO does send you to intervene we will be more than happy to return Zvonko, Mate and Ante back home in body bags ;D
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Post by Username on Mar 14, 2009 23:21:37 GMT -5
1) Dodik should be shot (can the Serbs here genuinely say that he is not actually guilty of the charges being brought against him? Bulls**t) 2) RS is Bosnian land. That territorial integrity will always be respected by the rest of the world. 3) There will not be another war. 4) But to humour you people, if there was: -NATO would not stand by and do nothing again. -Serbia would stay away (it would be disastrous politically if they got involved; pretty much ruin the last twenty years of economic and political recovery they underwent, domestically and internationally). Their people would not allow it. -Croatia would be more likely to intervene, but unlikely as well. I could see major support coming in from Croatia even if they were not directly involved in the military fighting -RS would lose. 5) It's disgusting that you people are actually talking in such a way that you would welcome another war. 6) RS will never separate. No country would ever recognize it even if it tried to... the consequences on setting precedence on self determination would be too costly. Even worse than the consequences of recognizing Kosovo (I knew that Russia would be going to war with Georgia when they declared independence, and sure enough it happened). If RS did have a de facto independent state, it would not be recognized like I said... I would like to see the RS try to establish economic relations with the rest of the world being unrecognized (good luck!). Investment would shrink; the economy would slow in growth... you'd be unable to travel anywhere (try getting out of the country with an unrecognized passport)... so many consequences. Bottom line is that it would be COMPLETELY stupid for people in the RS to seek separatism. RS is rightfully Bosnian land so it would never happen anyways - for the aforementioned reasons.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 15, 2009 0:32:25 GMT -5
^ This is why there will be another war in Bosnia. Because these expansionist ideals are prevalent among most (if not all) Turks. They're like Shqiptars. Really.
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Post by Username on Mar 15, 2009 1:34:17 GMT -5
^ This is why there will be another war in Bosnia. Because these expansionist ideals are prevalent among most (if not all) Turks. They're like Shqiptars. Really. Umm I'm not a Bosniak. I consider myself Croat (I was baptized Catholic) but really, I'm half Croat and half Serb. I just refuse to be pulled into your petty web of propaganda, and keep an open mind. It's amazing how politicians in Bosnia manipulate their people so well. They're all dirt - every single one of them - especially Dodik. Nor do I have any 'expansionist ideals'. I believe that Bosnia should stay a multi-ethnic society, under a centralized government... I could deal with federal units as well, but not based on ethnic boundaries (the current division does not work), but with more power centralized in Sarajevo. ETA: and the reason there will be another war in Bosnia is because of nationalist fools like yourself. You are Bosnian. You are not Serbian. Show some patriotism for your home country (assuming you were born in Bosnia?), not your foreign neighbor.
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Post by karabin on Mar 15, 2009 1:50:18 GMT -5
Your frustrations over BiH are jumping off the page user. I somehow have a good feeling that you are a balija despite of what you claim and if truth be otherwise then I am confident the only reason why you are laying your shit out here is because Croats do not have their own entity in BiH. You can consider yourself whatever the fuck you want but if you are speaking the truth then you are 50% Serb no matter what way you put it. It is therefore most definitely serbs with your attitude who converted (betrayed) to the islam during the ottomans.
Now fuck OFF!
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Post by Username on Mar 15, 2009 1:54:11 GMT -5
Your frustrations over BiH are jumping off the page user. I somehow have a good feeling that you are a balija despite of what you claim and if truth be otherwise then I am confident the only reason why you are laying your s**t out here is because Croats do not have their own entity in BiH. You can consider yourself whatever the f**k you want but if you are speaking the truth then you are 50% Serb no matter what way you put it. It is therefore most definitely serbs with your attitude who converted (betrayed) to the islam during the ottomans. Now f**k OFF! My name is Daniel (no j). Does that sound very Muslim to you? Umm I don't want a Croat entity - I do believe I just said that I support a more centralized government; that would totally contradict my views, would it not? Yes, I am half Serb. I have no issues with that. But I'm full Bosnian; thank you very much.
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Post by karabin on Mar 15, 2009 2:00:34 GMT -5
Well you wouldn't have it very pretty in any muslim dominant part with the name Daniel. I am somewhat guessing that you are a diaspora kid who has not tasted the war in BiH. I am a Bosnian Serb myself from Sarajevo so I couldn't be any more Bosnian, but I like most of my other Bosnian Serb brotherrs and sisters no longer wish to live together with those who tried to take what isn't rightfully theirs. read my signature.
If you chose the other side then that is your personal preference. To me and most other serbs you stand as a traitor. My uncle (who is serb) fought with the muslims. He was one of those people who fell for Alija's propaganda how people should defend their city (Sarajevo in his case). He died in combat of rather mysterious firearm entry wounds...if you know what I mean. Something to think about.
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Post by Username on Mar 15, 2009 2:17:31 GMT -5
Well you wouldn't have it very pretty in any muslim dominant part with the name Daniel. I am somewhat guessing that you are a diaspora kid who has not tasted the war in BiH. I am a Bosnian Serb myself from Sarajevo so I couldn't be any more Bosnian, but I like most of my other Bosnian Serb brotherrs and sisters no longer wish to live together with those who tried to take what isn't rightfully theirs. read my signature. If you chose the other side then that is your personal preference. To me and most other serbs you stand as a traitor. My uncle (who is serb) fought with the muslims. He was one of those people who fell for Alija's propaganda how people should defend their city (Sarajevo in his case). He died in combat of rather mysterious firearm entry wounds...if you know what I mean. Something to think about. Yes, I am part of the diaspora. No, I haven't 'tasted' the war directly, but I have had family members who have lived through it and died in it. How is Bosnia not rightfully Bosniak land? They are as indigenous to the region as much as Croats and Serbs are. I don't support anyone. I only support those who are willing to put whatever little differences exist between them behind them, and try to build a strong Bosnia. And you can say whatever, but as far as I'm concerned, Croats, Serbs, and Bosniaks are one in the same. I was in Sarajevo this past summer, and my Croat cousins didn't seem to have any issues... From the little I've seen, it seems as though as the youth are more capable about forgetting about ethnic divisions.. They were friends with Bosniaks and Serbs. So it is definitely possible. On the other side, my Serb cousins (and not directly singling them out) disgusted me. Worshipping animals like Arkan or Mladic was a no go for me. I will never understand how you people can support cold blooded murderers (this goes to any Bosniak or Croat fanatics too). Unfortunately, politicians wrap people up in their little propaganda, and the hate spreads... It's too bad people can't think for themselves. But there are some, and it's definitely possible. But at the moment, and it really is reflective on this forum, Bosnia and its people seem to be stuck in the middle ages. Pathetic.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 15, 2009 2:28:34 GMT -5
Umm I'm not a Bosniak. I consider myself Croat (I was baptized Catholic) but really, I'm half Croat and half Serb. I just refuse to be pulled into your petty web of propaganda, and keep an open mind. It's amazing how politicians in Bosnia manipulate their people so well. They're all dirt - every single one of them - especially Dodik. Nor do I have any 'expansionist ideals'. I believe that Bosnia should stay a multi-ethnic society, under a centralized government... I could deal with federal units as well, but not based on ethnic boundaries (the current division does not work), but with more power centralized in Sarajevo. Oh. Well then it looks like our ideals concerning Bosnia are one and the same. ETA: and the reason there will be another war in Bosnia is because of nationalist fools like yourself. You are Bosnian. You are not Serbian. Show some patriotism for your home country (assuming you were born in Bosnia?), not your foreign neighbor. I have never spoken in favour of Serbia over Bosnia. Just as you consider yourself to be Croat, I consider myself to be Serb (though unlike you, I am a purebred). And I consider Serbs to be the true proprietors of Bosnia. Bosnia is a Serb country, as is Serbia and Montenegro (all 3 being the combination of 2 or more medieval Serb counties).
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Post by Username on Mar 15, 2009 2:38:29 GMT -5
Umm I'm not a Bosniak. I consider myself Croat (I was baptized Catholic) but really, I'm half Croat and half Serb. I just refuse to be pulled into your petty web of propaganda, and keep an open mind. It's amazing how politicians in Bosnia manipulate their people so well. They're all dirt - every single one of them - especially Dodik. Nor do I have any 'expansionist ideals'. I believe that Bosnia should stay a multi-ethnic society, under a centralized government... I could deal with federal units as well, but not based on ethnic boundaries (the current division does not work), but with more power centralized in Sarajevo. Oh. Well then it looks like our ideals concerning Bosnia are one and the same. ETA: and the reason there will be another war in Bosnia is because of nationalist fools like yourself. You are Bosnian. You are not Serbian. Show some patriotism for your home country (assuming you were born in Bosnia?), not your foreign neighbor. I have never spoken in favour of Serbia over Bosnia. Just as you consider yourself to be Croat, I consider myself to be Serb (though unlike you, I am a purebred). And I consider Serbs to be the true proprietors of Bosnia. Bosnia is a Serb country, as is Serbia and Montenegro (all 3 being the combination of 2 or more medieval Serb counties). How is it Serb country? Why not Croat as well? Or the group that is the majority - Bosniaks? All arrived (or are indigenous?) to the region at the same time... I fail to understand your logic. If you come back with - "Bosniaks were really originally Serb and Croat converts"... so what? That means that they were around then, and this is as much as their country as it is yours. Cultures evolve and change; there's nothing wrong with that, and it certainly doesn't void someone's claim to land because of it. Don't you realize that you were fed propaganda and you totally bit on it? See, at least I can speak from a far more neutral point of view than most of you. I've distanced myself from both my parents views. At least I think for myself. Edit: it's very late, making tons of spelling errors. Good night.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 15, 2009 4:57:03 GMT -5
How is it Serb country? Why not Croat as well? Or the group that is the majority - Bosniaks? All arrived (or are indigenous?) to the region at the same time... I fail to understand your logic. If you come back with - "Bosniaks were really originally Serb and Croat converts"... so what? That means that they were around then, and this is as much as their country as it is yours. Cultures evolve and change; there's nothing wrong with that, and it certainly doesn't void someone's claim to land because of it. Don't you realize that you were fed propaganda and you totally bit on it? See, at least I can speak from a far more neutral point of view than most of you. I've distanced myself from both my parents views. At least I think for myself. Edit: it's very late, making tons of spelling errors. Good night. If you look at the demographic history of Bosnia before, during and after Ottoman rule, you'll see that Serbs have always been the vast majority there up until last century. Serbs outnumbered the Croats in Bosnia around 10:1, always. Even if all "Bosniaks" were Croats, Serbs would still have outnumbered Croats by around 5:1. That isn't propaganda. That is fact.
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