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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 9, 2008 2:05:16 GMT -5
Because it truly doesnt matter if they dont recognize. At this point Kosova is in the bosom of Europe and her influence, plus American. Regions so far away have no real bearing on the issue, even if they are China. Its not like Kosova is going to grow into some massive economy or anything. It will remain a small entity tied to the European sphere of influence; therefore its just as well that Chine doesnt recognize. What matters is that nations around it(from Germany to France, Italy, UK etc. etc.) do since they will be the only ones with real influence. Perhaps you don't understand the situation: the Albanian government in Kosovo needs recognitions in order to be legitimate so a country not recognising the Pristina government means they are not siding with them. Now, even if they miraculously get the recognises from 2/3rds of UN members then it will still be an imposed solution on Serbia. As for the countries with the "real" influence, most European countries have no influence outside Europe and America can only bully other countries into recognising the Pristina government. Of course the UN security council will settle this issue (and most probably in Serbia's favour) which means European/American recognition/influence is irrelevant since the majority of the world is in fact not European or American.
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 9, 2008 2:21:09 GMT -5
The majority of the world either: -Is poor -Is weak -Has AIDS -Has its own problems -Is Insignificant compared to US and EU.
And the UNSC will never get a chance since it only takes America or France to shoot it down. We saw how affective UNSC is during this whole conflict in Georgia...
Thats the thing, Kosova is inside Europe. It is going to be under European control.
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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 9, 2008 2:35:13 GMT -5
FFS! Telling an Albanian that the Albanian government in Kosovo isn’t a legitimate government is like telling a 3 year old that 1 + 2 =/= 5. The majority of the world either: -Is poor -Is weak -Has AIDS -Has its own problems -Is Insignificant compared to US and EU. Russia, China and India are neither poor nor weak nor insignificant compared to the US/EU. As far as countries having "their own problems" the precedent that the Albanian declaration will cause is enough to make countries not recognise Pristina's decleration. What does AIDS have to do with anything? And the UNSC will never get a chance since it only takes America or France to shoot it down. We saw how affective UNSC is during this whole conflict in Georgia... If the security council doesn't get off the ground then the government in Pristina will not be recognised. Thats the thing, Kosova is inside Europe. It is going to be under European control. Except the UN (i.e. the world) isn't dominated by Europeans.
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 9, 2008 2:42:29 GMT -5
Yea... but out of those only Russia has used its weight to try and influence the issue. The rest have been silent.
Joke...
Hence UN is worthless and powerless and has not stopped any real conflict.
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Post by Fender on Aug 9, 2008 2:49:46 GMT -5
Yea... but out of those only Russia has used its weight to try and influence the issue. The rest have been silent. Joke... Hence UN is worthless and powerless and has not stopped any real conflict. UN worthless? Thaci would give his left clacker to be handed a seat at the UN.
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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 9, 2008 2:50:25 GMT -5
Yea... but out of those only Russia has used its weight to try and influence the issue. The rest have been silent. The rest of the world follows their lead and remains silent... which by the way isn’t good for the government in Pristina since they need active support to be considered legitimate. Hence UN is worthless and powerless and has not stopped any real conflict. Yet everyone still pays lip service to it. The UN holds more weight then the US or EU since the majority of the world still trusts the UN.
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 9, 2008 3:02:23 GMT -5
Vijo... nobody has any trust in the UN because the UN has not gotten anything done. It didnt stop Srebrenica, it didnt stop the ethnic cleansings in Africa, it cannot do anything about the Georgian-Ossetian crisis, it couldnt stop NATO bombing of Belgrade, US invasion of Iraq... absolutely nothing. UN is a pawn and a tool of the entities that have real power. Its a show that makes the rest of the world feel better. At most all they can do is donate and carry out meaningless little jobs to make a show.
Did I say Thaci should ignore it? No, he should do his job and work. In fact, harder then he is doing right now IMO. But the UN is not the end of the world. Its simply a formality.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 9, 2008 4:19:12 GMT -5
"LOL and then you can see Pejoni putting his foot in his mouth with congrats on a Propaganda article LMAO"
lmao, pejoni is a character.
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Post by Fender on Aug 9, 2008 4:28:00 GMT -5
Vijo... nobody has any trust in the UN because the UN has not gotten anything done. It didnt stop Srebrenica, it didnt stop the ethnic cleansings in Africa, it cannot do anything about the Georgian-Ossetian crisis, it couldnt stop NATO bombing of Belgrade, US invasion of Iraq... absolutely nothing. UN is a pawn and a tool of the entities that have real power. Its a show that makes the rest of the world feel better. At most all they can do is donate and carry out meaningless little jobs to make a show. Did I say Thaci should ignore it? No, he should do his job and work. In fact, harder then he is doing right now IMO. But the UN is not the end of the world. Its simply a formality. In terms of legitimising Kosovo's independance, the UN is the end of the world.
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Post by karabin on Aug 9, 2008 22:40:55 GMT -5
So on the Georgia - Russia issue you are against the separatists (probably because they aren't muslim) and on the Kosovo issue you are pro separatists and unilateral independence declarations, and then you have no shame in calling Russians hypocrites.
I understand that you are still bitter over getting raped in Bosnia, truth is your leaders promised you an islamic state on land that is only partially yours. A suicidal and impossible move but none the less, Bosnia went to hell. Now it is obvious that your bitterness is getting to you. Did not quite work out as Izetbegovic hoped it would.
Croatians want their Herzegovina and Serbs their RS, so what exactly will you be left with? Hoped for all of Bosnia and left with? F*ck all?
Now this is not intended as an insult but people living on the balkans need to realize that we are all getting screwed.
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Post by engers on Aug 11, 2008 2:05:25 GMT -5
Engers, you posted a biased article which was written by Albanians, have a look at how Tadich's name was albanianised as TADIQ. New Bazar, you also posted a biased article which was writen by Serbians.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 11, 2008 20:29:25 GMT -5
^ has china recognised this region of serbia.....no.
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