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Post by Kastorianos on Jan 7, 2009 13:31:21 GMT -5
shut up muslim!
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Post by donnie on Jan 7, 2009 13:55:20 GMT -5
Is it not the most frequent haplogroup among higher Indian casts? As in the Brahmins and similiar ...
Hence its low presence among Kosovar Albanians ;D
But yeah, R1a does not necessarely mean Slav origins. The haplogroup originated at a time when there was no Slav language or culture at all.
P:S If I am not mistaken Kastorianos, you took this type of test yourself? What was your haplogroup?
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Post by highduke on Jan 7, 2009 14:33:29 GMT -5
Its not just Slavic influence that R1a represents but Halstatt Illyrian in ex-YU, Dacian or Thracian or even Hellenic & its low representation among BRITS & Irish is not surprising, otherwise R1a is commonly known as an Indo-European marker, prove otherwise if you can or STFU lol
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Post by donnie on Jan 7, 2009 16:33:27 GMT -5
Of course it is not "just Slavic influence", or even Indoeuropean influence, as its highest frequencies are to be found among Turkic speaking peoples of Central Asia. The point is that you should learn from your pevious mistakes of making hasty assumptions to fit your psychotic agenda; initially it was I2b that was the "Aryan marker", a proof of the Serbs' genetic "superiority". Now that this theory doesn't seem as plausible, you jump your shoes to prove it is R1a that was the original haplotype of ancient Indoeuropeans. Relax, let real geneticists and real historians make such conclusions before this too comes to bite you in the asz!
If it's not surprising then why do you jump into conclusions like "K Albanians are the least Aryan in Europe" like a premature ejaculator, gedjo?
"Commonly known" hahaha; you headless chicken, this field of science is NEW !!! Even geneticists themselves are cautious to make such assumptions with every reason. Remember when it was "commonly known" that I2b was the "Vedo-Aryan" marker? LOL.
I am sure there are many facts which speak for the theory that original Indoeuropean speakers bore the marker of R1a. But it is still a theory. They might just as well have acquired the Indoeuropean speech from somewhere else and then spread it with their weapons and chariots.
Idiot.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jan 7, 2009 17:24:02 GMT -5
Perhaps its higher among Brahmans but not that much higher. You didnt ever show us a pic of you and I shall tell you my test- results? This IE theory regarding R1a is very controversial. I mean it could be right. But they way you are saying it highduke is somewhat...worrying me...R1a came to the Balkans over todays Russia...J2 people over todays Turkey...so what...what exactly shall make you a more native Balkanian? How do you want to know when your R1a people migrated into the Balkans?
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Post by macmako on Jan 7, 2009 19:07:46 GMT -5
Listen, if you were not the parasitic maggot Greekslav I would give you explanations and enlighten you in this way. But since you are this parasitic maggot...I just have to tell you that you are at that a retard. Go talk with someone else. I declare now an exchange embargo between me and you. How could you dare to even address me skopjan..
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Post by macmako on Jan 7, 2009 19:24:42 GMT -5
Macmaco, I didnt recognize you... Whats up man? Good to have a real Macedonian here... That's okay. I explained it to my friends here. Some do not know who I really am, and quite frankly do not deserve my respect for how they treated my other half. So I really do not need them, except for I can not help but respond to some of their far out posts.
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Post by macmako on Jan 7, 2009 19:27:49 GMT -5
shut up muslim! With an attitude like that, there is no way that you are an Orthodox Christian. You do not like Muslims, then just be quiet and go away.
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Post by highduke on Jan 7, 2009 20:36:47 GMT -5
Kastorianos & donnie, whether its controversial or not, R1a is identified as the Aryan 'Indo-European' marker in every study thus far. Prove otherwise if you want to seriously dispute it. As for hap.group I, prominent with ex-Yugos, its tagged as representing the Upper Paleolithic Gravettian Cro-Magnon, 30 000 years in the Balkans whereas E & J, prominent with Albs, entered Europe in the Neolithic, 8 000 years ago at most.
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Post by macmako on Jan 7, 2009 21:22:43 GMT -5
Hey Kastorianos, I go to Frankfurt all the time. We have to get together for some wiesbier and have a gemütlichkeit.
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Post by donnie on Jan 7, 2009 21:51:16 GMT -5
Yes, and I am also sure that geneticists, besides presenting this as undisputable fact, explicitly use the term 'Aryan' when referring to R1a, lol. Hey, what happened to I2b being the 'Aryan' marker Yes, I remember you claiming the figure of 50 per cent among Serbs. Try 29 per cent or so. And it isn't "30,000 years ago", it is more like 21,000 years ago. The origins of this haplogroup is not established either; you'd like for it to be indigenous to the Western Balkans, but there are also voices who claim it to be of middle-eastern origins (closely related to J, see original IJ haplogroup; ) or that it arose near the Black Sea somewhere. In either way, it has little effect on you since you as an ethnic, cultural and linguistic body form a recent import vis-á-vis the Balkans, an amalgam of Serbo-Sarmatian ethnicity/identity, Slav speech blended with local remnants. And Greeks you forgot ... I.e. we're tourists in Europe according to highpicka, lol.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jan 7, 2009 21:54:57 GMT -5
P:S If I am not mistaken Kastorianos, you took this type of test yourself? What was your haplogroup? kastoranos has E3b1 or V-13...I know his test.
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Post by macmako on Jan 7, 2009 23:23:36 GMT -5
Albanians came from the Illyrians, therefore, they have the oldest dna. I like math because its easy. GreekSlav your country MACEDONIA should have tried to monopolise this name "Illyrians" after all your propagandas are way older, say late 1800's. . Now, now, Archi. Show a little respect and maybe it can work out between us.
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Post by adolfkarderi on Jan 7, 2009 23:48:39 GMT -5
HighDyke and the MadWaco this is like the special psycho section of balkans politics.
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Post by donnie on Jan 8, 2009 0:04:58 GMT -5
Not Macmaco, he is an old member, a good one, who it seems took a pause a while ago.
Highdick is a different story.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jan 8, 2009 5:05:20 GMT -5
Thats bulls.hit the most frequent haplogroups of albanians are I2a and R1a. (Albanians, not Kossovars!) Shocking uh? (both about 30% each of it) Greeks have by far the most E1b1b members. But I do not belong to them, all my haplogroups came over Asia to Europe and not over Africa.
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Post by highduke on Jan 8, 2009 9:33:10 GMT -5
Its not BS, E1b1b is at close to 50% among Kosovo eurochechens & J is high with albs in general. Either way, I2a, otherwise known as HG2 averages close to 45% among Serbians, in B&H it is almost 60% & is established as native to the Balkans since the UP unlike Neolithic arrivals E & J. R1a is still an IE marker, controversial or not, thats the mainstream POV, if you want to challenge it, then provide new evidence that the mainstream cant ignore.
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Post by donnie on Jan 8, 2009 16:21:03 GMT -5
Thats bulls.hit the most frequent haplogroups of albanians are I2a and R1a. (Albanians, not Kossovars!) Shocking uh? (both about 30% each of it) Greeks have by far the most E1b1b members. But I do not belong to them, all my haplogroups came over Asia to Europe and not over Africa. Actually E is the most prominent among all Albanians, both those from Kosova ('Kosovars') and Albania. R1a is around 8 per cent in Albania and 4,4 per cent in Kosova i.e. low in both places. R1b is far higher among Albanians than R1a (slightly higher in Kosova than in Albania, otherwise very close). BS. It is around 29 per cent among Serbs from Serbia; it reaches its height among Bosnian 'Serbs' (31 per cent), i.e. former Vlachs;)
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Post by highduke on Jan 8, 2009 16:38:22 GMT -5
No it isnt, donnie. Look at HG2, renamed I2b, in the Genetics section of 'Origin of the Serbs' - 54%, taken from 'The Genetic Legacy of UP homosapiens' 2001, then go to igenea.com & search for I2b among Serbians, listed there at over 40%. Then go to the Wiki article 'Haplogroups by ethnicity' for Serbia- if you add up the % given for each group, you will see that there is a discrepancy of 10% because that particular article mistakenly lists I2b at 30%
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Post by Kastorianos on Jan 8, 2009 16:39:05 GMT -5
There are many studies. Mine say something else.
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