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Post by PrijesDardanian on Dec 15, 2008 8:49:28 GMT -5
Who are Ossetians?
The Ossetians descend from the Alans, a Sarmatian tribe.[18][19] About A.D. 200, the Alans were the only branch of the Sarmatians to keep their culture in the face of*gothic invasion, and the Alans remaining built up a great kingdom between the Don and the Volga, according to Coon, "The Races of Europe." Between A.D. 350 and 374, the Huns destroyed the Alan kingdom, and a few survive to this day in the Caucasus as the Ossetes. They became Christians in the 916 A.D. under Byzantine influence. A large number adopted Islam, and most of them are Sunni Muslims.
The Ossetians mostly populate North Ossetia-Alania in Russia, and South Ossetia a large part of which is now de facto independent. They speak Ossetic, an Indo-European language of the Iranian branch, although nearly all also speak Russian as a second language.
Who are Serbs?
Alans and Slavs
Alan tribes living north of the Black Sea may have moved northwest into what is now Poland, merging with Slavic peoples there to become the precursors of historic Slav nations (notably Serbs ). Third-century inscriptions from Tanais, a town on the Don River in modern Russia, mention a nearby Alan tribe called the Choroatos or Chorouatos. The historian Ptolemy identifies the 'Serboi' as a Sarmatian tribe who lived north of the Caucasus, and other sources identify the Serboi as an Alan tribe in the Volga-Don steppe in the third century.
The original Serboi were probably Sarmatian (Iranian) tribe, who lived in Eastern Europe (Sarmatia Asiatica), to the north of the Caucasus. The earliest historical records about these Sarmatian Serbs dates from the 1st century, in the works of the historian Tacitus (ca. 50 AD) and geographer Pliny (Plinius) (69-75 AD).
What was the origin of the Sarmatian Serbs? Since the modern Ossetian language derived from ancient Sarmatian, we can search for the origin of Sarmatians if we compare relationships between languages of Iranian stock. The Ossetian language is a member of Eastern Iranian branch of Iranian languages, along with Pashtun, Yaghnobi and languages of the Pamir. The original homeland of the Sarmatians was probably in the region where these eastern Iranian languages are spoken today, somewhere between Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Pakistan.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Dec 15, 2008 8:55:18 GMT -5
The historian Ptolemy identifies the 'Serboi' as a Sarmatian tribe who lived north of the Caucasus, and other sources identify the Serboi as an Alan tribe in the Volga-Don steppe in the third century. Chechenya and Ossetia, early cousins of Serbs (and homeland of serbs) The Ossetian language is a member of Eastern Iranian branch of Iranian languages, along with Pashtun, Yaghnobi and languages of the Pamir. The original homeland of the Sarmatians was probably in the region where these eastern Iranian languages are spoken today, somewhere between Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Pakistan. mother language of serbians was ossetian a.k.a tajakistan
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Post by highduke on Dec 15, 2008 9:13:49 GMT -5
Yeah, but Ossetians & Armenians are IE speakers & unlike Chechens, your cousins, the Ossetians & Armenians are not native to the Caucasus. nice try lol
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Dec 15, 2008 9:24:32 GMT -5
Yeah, but Ossetians & Armenians are IE speakers & unlike Chechens, your cousins, the Ossetians & Armenians are not native to the Caucasus. nice try lol "The historian Ptolemy identifies the 'Serboi' as a Sarmatian tribe who lived north of the Caucasus" Who live in North Caucasus? your grandfathers or homelands...Chechenya and Ossetia.
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Post by highduke on Dec 15, 2008 9:28:49 GMT -5
They were passing through the Caucasus when Ptolemy recorded them but they were still an IE tribe unlike your chechen cousins.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Dec 15, 2008 9:48:05 GMT -5
what confidence? Chetnik and Chechen also culturally/costumes? Vojvoda Momcilo Djujic (Chechen/chetnik serb hero) Chechen famous: Pyotr Zakharovich Zakharov (painter/hero, one of famous in world) "Self Portrait, 1842. Zakharov painted himself in a national Chechen costume although he probably never wore it in real life.[1]" nah, more 1 chechen/chetnik: www.themoscowtimes.com/photos/large/2006_05/2006_05_29/chechnya_2.jpg[/img]
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Post by highduke on Dec 15, 2008 9:54:24 GMT -5
that is your evidence? men with beards tend to resemble lol
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Dec 15, 2008 10:18:10 GMT -5
that is your evidence? men with beards tend to resemble lol Serbian folk dance and costumes Chechen dance/costumes Those costumes (males) are tipycal non-european and very caucasian/chechenya/georgia
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Post by highduke on Dec 15, 2008 10:21:31 GMT -5
they dont resemble, man, not at all, wow you really are a joke. just because your a eurochechen, doesnt mean we all are.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Dec 15, 2008 10:33:38 GMT -5
cry chechen-duke cry
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Post by highduke on Dec 15, 2008 10:38:41 GMT -5
Im crying from laughter because every attempt you have made to tie Serbs to chechens has been based on deliberate lies lol
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Post by captainalbania on Dec 15, 2008 10:41:41 GMT -5
Yea yea, sort of how every attempt you try to connect Albanians to Chechens is based on deliberate lies?
Anway, Serbs and Ossetians are cousins, only Serbs lost their languae and became slavs and the Ossetians still keep their language (although they are heavily slav influenced by the Russians).
This is why i said you guys have more in common with Chechens than we do Highduke.
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Post by captainalbania on Dec 15, 2008 10:44:52 GMT -5
Chechen women's costume Serbian Women's Costume from Crna Trava Same shit.
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Post by highduke on Dec 15, 2008 10:56:36 GMT -5
Either way most of our pre-Serb ancestors have been in the balkans for 15000 years, see haplogroup I on Wiki. the Serbs you speak of here were a small tribe that assimilated the Balkan natives.
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Post by Duke John on Dec 15, 2008 11:18:39 GMT -5
PrijesDardanian and Captainalbania comparing serbs with native Caucasus people makes no sence, Native caucasus people have been in their inhabited lands since god knows when, Alans(ossets) Russians and Armenians are not native to Caucasus, serbs can be compared to thous invaders, Chechens have their own native language just like their native neighbouring ethnic groups and none of them that cant be traced outside of Caucasus except the Ruskis Ossets and Armenians, just like we Albanians cant really be traced ouside of Balkans while the serbs are well known about their migrations, The native caucaus people have suffered similarly like Albanians, trying to resist invading imperialists that have taken their native lands similar fate like ours, there is no reason for us Albanians to disrespect native caucasus people buy comparing them with serbs, Native caucasus highlanders are indeed brave people who have sufferend from invading russian imperialistic slavs and their asskising inferiority complexed non-native caucasians. Either way most of our pre-Serb ancestors have been in the balkans for 15000 years, see haplogroup I on Wiki. the Serbs you speak of here were a small tribe that assimilated the Balkan natives. Who are your pre serb ancestors? either you are ancestor of serbs who migrated into balkans that we all know when, or if you feel like native balkanian then stop calling your self as serb.
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Post by captainalbania on Dec 15, 2008 11:21:08 GMT -5
Actually the I haplogroup is most common among Croatians, and has it's highest frequency among Hercegovinians at 63.8%.
Those Serbs were your ancestors who gave you your national identity and name. If you want to be "Illyrians" i can give you a copy of the Rosetta Stone Software.
I suggest you learn standard Albanian first since Gheg is a little different. However you might want to learn Gheg as well since you will be moving back to Serbia and might want to communicate in your "pre-Serb" ancestor's native language.
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Post by highduke on Dec 15, 2008 11:24:19 GMT -5
Good points, mostly plus the fact that origional Ossetians & Serbs wer Nordic but both tribes assimilated Caucasian & Balkan natives & the timeline between these migrations make any minor similarity coincidental. most traditional clothing styles are at best 1000 years old
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Post by Duke John on Dec 15, 2008 11:24:29 GMT -5
I suggest you learn standard Albanian first since Gheg is a little different. However you might want to learn Gheg as well since you will be moving back to Serbia and might want to communicate in your "pre-Serb" ancestor's native language. Very well said! bravo tkoft!
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Post by highduke on Dec 15, 2008 11:27:01 GMT -5
Yeah OK. Illyrian is a centum language, Albanianis Satem thus they cant be related Because the two IE branches split 1000 years before the Illyrians came into existence. How can Hindi evolve into Swedish? It cant for the same reason ilyrian & albanian cannot be related
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Post by Duke John on Dec 15, 2008 11:42:42 GMT -5
Yeah OK. Illyrian is a centum language, Albanianis Satem thus they cant be related Because the two IE branches split 1000 years before the Illyrians came into existence. How can Hindi evolve into Swedish? It cant for the same reason ilyrian & albanian cannot be related There are only handfull of illyrian words that have survived from antiquity and many of thous words can be explained dirrectly with albanian language while other words can be explained buy similar roots with albanian words, our language might also be mix of illyrian and daco-tracian! still, our language and our people cant be traced outside of balkans. so an advice to you is to learn your so called pre serb ancestors language because its still very alive in albanian language.
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