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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Sept 29, 2008 10:16:37 GMT -5
wtf ? what do jews have to do w/ this ? Jew - blew...who cares...what Im talking about is using ATG as a reference for illyrians when that couldnt be further from the truth. ATG - is synonymous with the " HELLENIC ERA LATER TO BE CALLED HELLENISTIC ". That is reality my friend...I think the cold michigan weather is affecting your brain....why dont you move to san diego or smth ? The key word is HELLENISTIC and not HELLENIC...As my professor said, it is called Hellenistic because it was spread by a NON-HELLEN, whereas if it was HELLENIC it would be by a hellen...HELLENISTIC means just what AMERICANIZATION means today, you are not a American, just AMERICANIZED! Thanks for making me look so smart and making you look so retard!
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 29, 2008 10:26:10 GMT -5
Haha Canari ;D
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Post by chalkedon on Sept 29, 2008 10:28:51 GMT -5
Ilir, you jumped the gun bro....there was a reason why I used the word hellenistic and not hellenic. Pls read below... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HellenisticHellenistic civilization was the zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world. After the conquest of the Persian Empire by Alexander the Great, Greek culture was spread to Asia and Egypt, in addition to the Greek colonists who settled in and helped administer the new lands. However, even more than that, the Hellenistic culture represents the fusion of the Greek world with that of the Near Eastern and Indo-Iranic cultures. Another reason why american kids are so stupid nowadays...even their professors have their heads up their asses...
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Sept 29, 2008 11:14:11 GMT -5
hellenic culture
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Post by chalkedon on Sept 29, 2008 11:19:03 GMT -5
Now, you're splittin' hairs....
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Sept 30, 2008 10:57:23 GMT -5
The war between the Alb-Illyrians (Descendant of Mysians) with Romans lasted many years while the greeks were controlled. Video, Cheers!!! Myself, Lord/God Sun_MYSUS Christ !!!!!
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Oct 5, 2008 1:59:23 GMT -5
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Post by speedy on Oct 5, 2008 2:26:08 GMT -5
ILIR was reading the two irish travlers 1322 article Despite intensive research and impassioned interest on the part of Albanian scholars, the origins of the Albanians as a people remain shrouded in mystery. The crucial second half of the first millennium, i.e. 500-1000 A. D. which might provide the missing link to the Illyrian inhabitants of the region in antiquity, yields virtually no information and linguistic records of the earlier stages of the Albanian language. These records, which could serve as a reliable guide, are missing. Not helpfu, you sure your Illyrian or just plain Albaniansl
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Oct 5, 2008 3:14:50 GMT -5
hmmm lets see...traditions, costumes, dna, place names...isn't that enough? we didnt have a alphabet until the 20th century, so what do u expect, we were at war always!
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Post by libofsha on Oct 6, 2008 4:46:19 GMT -5
ILIR was reading the two irish travlers 1322 article Despite intensive research and impassioned interest on the part of Albanian scholars, the origins of the Albanians as a people remain shrouded in mystery. The crucial second half of the first millennium, i.e. 500-1000 A. D. which might provide the missing link to the Illyrian inhabitants of the region in antiquity, yields virtually no information and linguistic records of the earlier stages of the Albanian language. These records, which could serve as a reliable guide, are missing. Not helpfu, you sure your Illyrian or just plain Albaniansl i grant that there are some questions that need to be answered but there are also undeniable facts, the first premise to determine the ancestry of a race is to trace back their origin....we don't know of any albanian hordes migrating to the balkans penninsula btw the 5'th to 13'th centuary, there were many historians at the time and that area was firlmy under byzantine control, there are no records of wars or invading tribes...so where does it leave us? we didn't spring up overnight, but, for me, in my opinion the biggest evidence lies in the albanian language, and this is undeniable, a languge which encompasses within itself heave latin and greek influences, serbs settled around the 7'th centuary and they have virtually no such influences, perhaps a latin flavor but not any greek, and i am not referring to the present day watered down version of greek either
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Post by chalkedon on Oct 6, 2008 7:08:30 GMT -5
i think you guys are related to illyrians...but the proof is really not that concrete. I still dont get the language part and why it is so different that what you guys speak now.
Yes for us greeks its water downed...but its still there. Why did illyrian language disappear ? that to me is the greatest mystery.
And by the way...Ilir
you mentioned dna...do you have an results of that ? And dont quote me fyrom's sources...we all know that is bs
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Oct 6, 2008 12:19:29 GMT -5
I can show you my dna tests that I did in multiple research labs and they all confirm me being a ancient balkanian...I cant speak for everybody else...Of course not all the albos are illyrians, but over 75% i am sure!
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Oct 6, 2008 14:01:06 GMT -5
Quote: ========================== Why did illyrian language disappear? ========================== As I said to you that Albanian speaking with center Thrace is the first God's spoken language. Albanians are Sons of eagle and Sons of God. Alb-Illyrians are Descendants of Mysians and My Kingdom Mysia which that Capitol Pergamun during ancient times has been the Universal and developed Business Center for the Mediteterran area and all that whole world. Also Altar Zeus was build from romans to dedicate and Honor Myself Jesus The Messiah. Thrace is pure albanian word which means Calling. Thrace=Thras=Call Because I Universal God MYSUS (MUSA) been calling My People they named that place Thrace. Also Mediterranean is pure albanian word which means is Sunset a very beautiful time and so evening is ahead. Medite+rran Medite=Day ran=fall Cheers!!! God is He and HE Is Myself, Universal God Lord Of Albania Sun_MYSUS Christ !!!!! My Web Site www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/MysiansMysia Pronounced Jesus the Messiah.
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Post by alba1 on Aug 21, 2009 19:32:08 GMT -5
and I always thought that since Albanians arrived in Balkans in 11th century, they can't have any Illyrian genes at all?! how could that be explained? WOW, here is another smart one, Albanians came over in 11 century...
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Post by Gigolo on Aug 23, 2009 1:13:58 GMT -5
It's pretty idiotic to act blind to the obvious. And that is, that at least a big chunk of Albanian ancestry is Illyrian and to a lesser extent probably Thracian as well. Denying this is plain stupid. I don't think anyone serioisly claimed Albanians are litteraly pure blooded Illyrians today. If they did, they need to chill with the crack. Other Balkan people have chunks of ancient Balkan blood as well, it's only logical. Anyone who can put together history, genetics and a few other things, can see that. But Albanians claim was most of all always CULTURAL and LINGUISTIC, and in that they are right.
Cuz it's even more idiotic to act like their language isn't, at least partialy, the remnant of Illyrian, in other words one of the ancient Balkan languages.
Even if it was proven some other Balkan people had just as much or more Illyrian ancestry (blood wise), it wouldn't affect the fact that Albanians still inherited the most of them culturaly and linguisticly speaking.
Don't know why this bothers so many people. I realize there is Albanians (kids usualy) who get pretty obnoxious, retarded and down right RIDICULOUS in some of their claims and nationalist myths, but those loons shouldn't hurt the bare facts.
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