Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 10, 2009 17:08:24 GMT -5
They just stand there and get taken down, one by one.
You wonna know something even crazier.
Prehistoric relative of sheep (lived 40 million years ago) was the biggest and most fearsome (looked like a massively huge mutated wolf with immensely huge jaws) land mammal carnivore ever weighting at up to 1500 pounds (almost 700 kilos) and had bone crushing teeth.
Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 11, 2009 12:24:16 GMT -5
I agree, you would think the sheep would try and somehow defend itself.
unless their genetic program is such that they are programmed not to defend themselves. after all they were all exhibiting exactly the same behavior. minor variations might have to do with the proximity of the wolf do to the given sheep. perhaps also its a numbers game.
Less Balkanian Dogmatic Paranoia! More Ancient Hellenic Wisdom! (Zetaman/Zecanin)
(Sar Planina) (Illyrian Sheepdog) (Macedonian-Yugoslav Shepherd Dog - Sharplaninec) (Charplaninatz) (Yugoslav Shepherd Dog) (Illyrian Dog) (Yugoslav Mountain Dog) (Ovcarski Pas Srbije I Crne Gore) (Sarpie)
That is Qeni i Sharrit or Qeni Ilir (not sarplaniac)
thats ok ....their first video was an Albanian Cobani anyways ....hence the white plis on head ...
basically its a Illyrian sheep dog ...most common dog for sheep and home security ...every house had one ...but now less and less ..
in 1970 my Grandfather had 2 of em ...names were Murgo & Balo ..just guard dogs every house had one or more,....at 10 pm fix every night each house would let em lose and they would roam/guard the whole darn village maybe 200 of them ..no way any outsider could enter or in some cases an in-town person be wandering around unless you were with an older person from town ...must of been the scent or they just ....it was lock down after 10pm ;D ...and for some strange reason they were all chained up by 5 am in the morning ....(God bless them Grandmothers)....
today ...maybe just 1/2 dozen of em and only the 2 sheep herders in town ...
my one uncle had to shoot one bcs it was domesticated and became a tailwager .....he found my sisters feeding it and petting it they were both 7 years old and newly arrived from USA ...to him they ruined the dog .....his own children didn't even do that ...
mind you I was terrified to get 20 ft to them even though they had 2 inch thick chains ...I was 8 at the time and first time back home
and back then only 1 person handled the dog ...it was not a pet or walked on leash ...they were tools
but the couple dozen used with sheep herding were more softer like compared to the home guard dogs ....
the guard dogs and sheep dogs were never mixed ..they always fought to death if nobody was around to stop
...besides that the sheep dogs were up in mountains most of time
The name Sarplaninac, pronounced "shar-pla-nee-natz," It originates from the south-west part of Srbija (southern Kosovo) and the north-west part of Macedonia (Shar Planina, Bistra, Korab, Stogavo, Mavrovo, Jablanica, Pelister and etc.). This geographical area was once known as Illyria, the original name given to the breed. The region is now called Macedonia, but the dogs worked mainly in the mountains of Shar Planina and were renamed for the range. In 1939 the dogs were registered with the FCI under the name Illyrian shepherd dog. In 1954 FCI accepted the name change from Illyrian shepherd dog to the name Yugoslav shepherd dog-Sharplaninec. After the collapse of Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union, Macedonia requested the name of the dog be changed to recignize both countries, Macedonia and the Serbian side. It was agreed to change the name of the dog to Macedonian-Yugoslav Shepherd Dog - Sharplaninec. The Sarplaninac has the honor of being one of only two dogs to be recognized by the Yugoslavian Kennel Club, the official club of their native land. Thought to be older than the Istrian Shepherd (although not as old a breed as the Greek Shepherd Dog or the Turkish Akbash), this reserved guardian exists in sustainable numbers in Albania and Macedonia. First recognized as a distinct breed in 1930. Although turmoil in Bosnia has reduced this breed's population in its previous heartland, since 1975 successful exports have been carried out to the United States and Canada to control coyotes, and this is where its future security rests. It is now gaining recognition as a hard-working, readily able flock guard in those countries. Numerous in its homeland, the Sarplaninac is still part of the great flock. It is versatile and occasionally works cattle or serves as guard. In fact, a military line of Sars was created in Marshall Josip Toto's kennels.
Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 11, 2009 16:05:21 GMT -5
The temperament of the breed is described as independent, reliable, protective but not snappy, incorruptible and devoted to its master. The breed is aloof with outsiders, and calm until a threat to the flock presents itself. The breed has a highly protective nature. In the absence of a flock of sheep, the Šarplaninac will often treat its humans as sheep - herding them away from danger or undesirable areas (lol) . They are serene and majestic, gentle with children and smaller dogs. They are also highly intelligent and bred to work without human supervision while guarding the flocks in the high pastures. Young pups can kill small animals until trained not to hunt.
Many similar traits with local humans WTF
Sources from 1308 Anonymi Descriptio Europae Orientalis (Anonymous Description of Eastern Europe) says of the Illyrians and their dogs: The dogs here are of a huge size and are so wild that they kill like lions. As Pliny mentions, the Illyrians sent such a dog to Alexander the Great, which vanquished lions, elephants and bulls in the stadium. They have painted eyes, greyish in the pupils, such that they can see better at night than in the daytime
Others say its origin is not clear, it is believed that their ancestors were the ancient Molossian dogs of Greece and the livestock guarding dogs of Turkey.
The breed was initially recognized by the Fédération Cynologique Internationale (FCI) in 1939 as the Illyrian Shepherd Dog, after the Ancient name of the region. In 1957, at the request of the Yugoslav Canine Federation (JKS), the FCI changed the name to Yugoslav Shepherd Dog-Šarplaninac, after the Šar Mountains (Šar Planina) where the breed is most common.
The image of the Šarplaninac is featured on the reverse of the Macedonian 1 denar coin, issued since 1993, and on the emblem of Dragaš, a town in southern Kosovo, located in the Šar Mountains region.
Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 11, 2009 16:19:09 GMT -5
The Molossus (Greek: Μολοσσός) is an extinct breed of dog.
This ancient breed is commonly considered to be the ancestor of today's Mastiff-type dogs and of many other modern breeds. Mastiff-type dogs are often referred to as Molossus dogs or Molossers. It is one of the best-known breeds of Greco-Roman antiquity; however, its physical characteristics and function are debated. Though the Molossus breed no longer exists in its original form, it is noted as being instrumental in the development of modern breeds such as the St. Bernard, Great Pyrenees, Rottweiler, Greater Swiss Mountain Dog, and Bernese Mountain Dog.
Some scholars contend that the Molossus was a dog used by the Ancient Greeks for fighting. They describe it as having a wide, short muzzle and a heavy dewlap (similar to modern Mastiff breeds) that was used to fight tigers, lions, elephants, and men in battle. A Roman copy of*greek original sculpture of*guard dog (known as the Jennings Dog) is generally considered to represent a Molossus and can be seen at the British Museum.
Others argue that it was primarily a lightweight dog used for hunting and herding with physical characteristics more akin to Greyhounds or possibly the versatile Catahoula Leopard Dog.
Most scholars agree the Molossus originated with the Molossis people in the mountainous regions of northwest Ancient Greece (modern Greece northwest and Southern Albania before the Common Era). The Molossians were renowned for their vicious hounds, which were used by Molossian shepherds of Epirus in the mountains of northwestern Greece to guard their flocks. The poet Grattius, a contemporary of Ovid, writes "...when serious work has come, when bravery must be shown, and the impetuous War-god calls in the utmost hazard, then you could not but admire the renowned Molossians so much."
The breed was a native to Greece and the rest of the Balkans, it later migrated to Italy and other places of the Greek World by Hellenic tribes who started to colonize in various regions of the world. Virgil says that in ancient Greece the heavier Molossian dogs were often used by the Greeks and Romans for hunting (canis venaticus) and to watch over the house and livestock (canis pastoralis). "Never, with them on guard," says Virgil, "need you fear for your stalls a midnight thief, or onslaught of wolves, or Iberian brigands at your back."Aristotle mentions them in the history of animals and praises their bravery and physical superiority. The Molossian breed was most certainly a very large dog similar to the Mastiff we know today, Alexander the Great's dog named Peritas was a Molossian. Peritas followed Alexander throughout his epic conquest. When Alexander was trapped alone on the wrong side of the Mallians fortification, his men were blocked from reaching Alexander momentarily, Leonnatus fighting fiercely heard Peritas howl and bark from behind him, and without looking back shouted "go Peritas ! run to Alexander!" the fearless dog ran through the men fighting and lept into the group of Mallians who had just wounded the king in the shoulder with a javelin, Peritas killed several men giving the men time to get Alexander, and stop them from slaughtering him. But, the brave dog had been mortally wounded with a javelin as well, with Peritas' last strength he laid his head on the wounded king's lap and, gazing into his master's eyes, died.
Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 11, 2009 17:10:37 GMT -5
Something interesting as that behavior similarity got me thinking that perhaps dogs after a long cohabitation might develop some human like straits in behavior patterns.
Dogs likely were the first animals to be domesticated and as such have shared a common environment with humans for over ten thousand years. Only recently, however, has this species' behavior been subject to scientific scrutiny. Most of this work has been inspired by research in human cognitive psychology and suggests that in many ways dogs are more human-like than any other species, including nonhuman primates. Behavior analysts should add their expertise to the study of dog behavior, both to add objective behavioral analyses of experimental data and to effectively integrate this new knowledge into applied work with dogs.
Dogs: Our Closest Relatives? It may sound strange, but it is not unreasonable to view dogs and humans as subject to convergent evolution (Hare & Tomasello, 2005). Over the last 100,000 years, the social environments of domestic dog pups and human children have become more and more similar to each other, and less like those of either species' closer genetic kin.
It is as a consequence of this intense cohabitation that dogs have come to emulate some behaviors that are commonly viewed as uniquely human, such as the recognition of another's attentional state. These kinds of complex behaviors are commonly structured in relatively vague cognitive terminology. We hope this review will inspire behavior analysts to use the empirical tools of our field to investigate just how closely dog social behavior maps onto human use of social cues. Such research could answer fascinating questions in the evolution of complex behavior, as well as enabling us to live more safely and profitably with our “best friends.”
They are interesting dogs. My grandfather had one too (also called Murgo (must be the most popular name for a dog in that region)) and apparently I almost got myself killed when I was young by walking near it's kennel by mistake.
And if dogs really do reflect their owners, then these dogs are definitely Balkan. Large, crazy, cool, loyal, etc.. all at the same time.
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