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Post by tyson on Dec 30, 2008 1:49:25 GMT -5
except without igalo/sutorina, which tito gave to montenegro when the internal borders of yugoslavia was made.
tito shouldve gave neum to croatia. its not like as if neum couldve been used as a port, so it serves no economic benefit besides a little tourism. igalo couldve been used as a port for BiH tho. tito shouldve gave BiH that, and give neum to cro instead so croatia isnt split by land in 2. plus neum does hava a historical connection to the dubrovnik region. the republic of dubrovnik ruled it for 300 years.
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Post by kapetan on Dec 30, 2008 2:40:58 GMT -5
well those "small" types of changes are of course much more realistic then what we were previosly talking about in here...
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Post by MiG on Dec 30, 2008 2:55:36 GMT -5
^ Kapetan I'm only pulling your strings man, don't get so insulted. I'm just saying in a 'What if' scenario, with your way of thinking on that scenario (Terrorism, all gloves are off, etc etc.) is that in a propaganda/political tool way, you would be portrayed as the bad guy, and would have to fight the world on that front, and then you have RS to worry about. BiH has a whole heap of shit to worry about in a scenario like that. I don't want no wars in BiH because half my family is down there. I was just stating shit on your what if.
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Post by CiKoLa on Dec 30, 2008 2:55:47 GMT -5
tito shouldve gave neum to croatia.
we Croats hold Neum so its all good considering ...
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Post by karabin on Dec 30, 2008 3:02:19 GMT -5
LOL @ that Kapetan Balija and his fantasy theories. I guess he rips 'em out of some video game or something.
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Post by CiKoLa on Dec 30, 2008 3:09:54 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems with today's BiH is the policy of one ethnic group trying to rule over 1 million or so serbs, and 500 thousand or so Croats. It just aint gonna happen. The sooner that is realised the sooner BiH can move forward. The most attainable thing right now is to create another entity. I dont think anyone can dispute this. All other options are just too hard politically.
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Post by kapetan on Dec 30, 2008 4:29:42 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems with today's BiH is the policy of one ethnic group trying to rule over 1 million or so serbs, and 500 thousand or so Croats. It just aint gonna happen. The sooner that is realised the sooner BiH can move forward. The most attainable thing right now is to create another entity. I dont think anyone can dispute this. All other options are just too hard politically. Dude, listen to yourself. Nobody here, especialy before the war, had any intention of killing off or "controlling" all other ethnicites in BiH. How can you belive this? Honestly? You REALLY belive I as a Bosniak and the rest of us Bosniaks want to "control" you? I PROMISE YOU that's not reality. It doesn't even SOUND realistic, it's right out of a cheesy sci-fi movie. Of all the Bosniaks I've known and talked to, I've never ever heard even in our provate circles, that we want to "control" you. The worst I've heard is from bitter people talking about getting revenge and killing Serbs and Croats. And we all have those types. I would be 100% happy if tomorow we could all just be Bosnian citizens who all want BiH to be the best it could be for all of us, without any problems between us. But answer me this: How can that happen when 2 of the biggest peoples in BiH still love the neighboring country MORE? Even if tomorow we found a way to solve all this, and lived good together for a 100 years, and then BiH ended up in conflict with Serbia or Croatia for whateve reason, Bosniaks would basicly have to fear that the Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs would STILL betray BiH and side with their other "motherlands". You see what I'm saying here? How can we ever even fully trust you then? Now everone here is making comments masked as "fairness". A third entity is "fair". Well you guys only care whats "fair" for YOUR people, you don't give a shit what's fair for US. So then it's not really FAIR is it?
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 30, 2008 4:45:39 GMT -5
Id expect a terrorist to say that.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 30, 2008 5:00:32 GMT -5
This is for Kap: It's 100% about control when for starters you want everyone to be "Bosnians". Secondly; naturally you couldn't fully trust Croats and Serbs when they don't fully trust you aswell. So can you see where the problem exists? Can you even trust your fellow Bosnians who already ignored one impending onslaught of your country? Can you trust they they will help your fellow people next time, instead of waiting, waiting...while sitting pretty in Zagreb? Just trust yourself i koga jebe za druge.
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Post by tito on Dec 30, 2008 5:06:37 GMT -5
Actually all of BiH belongs to us, that is why you Serbs and Croats cant separate any part of BiH. The above would be true.. The above is true. If Croatia was to help out the Croats in "Herceg-Bosna", the Republic of BiH wouldn't be able to stop it. LOL, Croatia tried that in 1993 when the Republic of BiH was in war with the cetnik aggressor and Croatia failed. Today when 40% of the BH-catholic population is gone the Ustashe don’t stand a chance. tito shouldve gave neum to croatia. No he should have expanded the Bosnian coast from Neum to Split, since that area historically belonged to Bosnia longer then Croatia.
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Post by kapetan on Dec 30, 2008 5:27:01 GMT -5
This is for Kap: It's 100% about control when for starters you want everyone to be "Bosnians". Secondly; naturally you couldn't fully trust Croats and Serbs when they don't fully trust you aswell. So can you see where the problem exists? Can you even trust your fellow Bosnians who already ignored one impending onslaught of your country? Can you trust they they will help your fellow people next time, instead of waiting, waiting...while sitting pretty in Zagreb? Just trust yourself i koga jebe za druge. I said Bosnian citizens and when I say Bosnians you OBVIOSLY know I mean Bosnians like you ALWAYS BEEN Bosnians just by living there. It doesnt CONFLICT with your ETHNIC Croat or Serb identity stupid. There is CHINESE Bosnians. Just like being a CANADIAN or AMERICAN croat. As for trust, I'll say again. We are not the ones that had a problem with a multi ethnic united bosnia, and we are not the ones that tried to annex pieces of other countries. We're also not the ones who commied genocide.
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Post by tito on Dec 30, 2008 5:34:19 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems with today's BiH is the policy of one ethnic group trying to rule over 1 million or so serbs, and 500 thousand or so Croats. It just aint gonna happen. The sooner that is realised the sooner BiH can move forward. The most attainable thing right now is to create another entity. I dont think anyone can dispute this. All other options are just too hard politically. You are wrong as always, BiH today is 40 000 votes away from liberating it self from the entity voting which will allow the country to have a government free from separatists. Almost half of the BH-catholic voters have realized this and are no longer voting for ethnic political parties. The democratization of BiH will sooner or later allowed the pro-Bosnian majority to rule the country and the separatists cant do anything to stop this process.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 30, 2008 5:34:49 GMT -5
Firstly you didn't respond to my response but that's ok.
Secondly, no we were not always Bosnians. There is Chinese Bosnians, pa odakle? Should;t it be Bosnian Chinese? Does that then make us Croatian Bosnians or have you just put your foot in it once again ?
One word. Vitez/Busovaca.
Ah joj tito, opet sam skoro spala od stolicu...It was Croat for longer than it was Croatian and longer than it was ever Bosnian.
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Post by kapetan on Dec 30, 2008 5:51:12 GMT -5
Ok now youre just being stupid acting like you dont know what i mean by Bosnians.
wtf @ us in vitez commiting genocide, i hope youre joking Lol
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Post by tito on Dec 30, 2008 5:54:41 GMT -5
Ah joj tito, opet sam skoro spala od stolicu...It was Croat for longer than it was Croatian and longer than it was ever Bosnian. I don’t agree. Just like I don’t agree with your claims that Catholics from Bosnia are somehow Croats.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 30, 2008 5:55:00 GMT -5
War crimes, genocide, it's all the same really isn't it, seeing as the int'l community didn't recognise the "genocide" of Bosnia and Srebrenica even though IMO it was. Anyways you diverted and didn't answer my other response, instead you started on non-related issues, which is pointless.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 30, 2008 5:57:24 GMT -5
Opet sam spala, ah joj smijesan si do bola!
There is no reasoning with you guys, seriously it's a comedy house.
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Post by tito on Dec 30, 2008 6:07:34 GMT -5
There is no reasoning with you guys Good point, I hope you all remember that next time you get the crazy idea of claiming Neum or any other part of BiH as anything else then Bosnian.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 30, 2008 6:15:59 GMT -5
lol just live in your dream state of denial, you can have your Bosnian state but don't deny what people are just because you believe in your propaganda. Can I ask any Bosnian here where King Tomislav was born, what he identified himself as and which kingdom he presided over? Usually I get a silent reponse from Bosnians when I ask this. It's like asking the Jews to dennounce who they are and to give up their historical lands.
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 30, 2008 6:16:41 GMT -5
War crimes, genocide, it's all the same really isn't it, seeing as the int'l community didn't recognise the "genocide" of Bosnia and Srebrenica even though IMO it was. Yes they do lol they just gave the not guilty verdict to Serbia but still say that the Bosnian Serbs (Mladic etc) are guilty of it. A war crime and Genocide are 2 VERY different things.
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