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Post by Shmajser on Apr 1, 2008 4:21:47 GMT -5
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 1, 2008 4:25:10 GMT -5
Noz, Zica ... SREBRENICA.
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 1, 2008 4:47:03 GMT -5
O.k, insult all you want, it will not change the fact that you originate from Turkey.
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Post by stickinthemud on Apr 1, 2008 7:27:11 GMT -5
I noticed a Marx and Engels quote and a Teddy Roosevelt quote. Can someone translate in English for me the quotes from Roosevelt,Marx, and what its saying about 1848 and Italy here. Thanx.
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Post by stickinthemud on Apr 1, 2008 7:29:23 GMT -5
O.k, insult all you want, it will not change the fact that you originate from Turkey. Croats originate from Turkey?
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Post by niquetamere on Apr 1, 2008 11:04:40 GMT -5
O.k, insult all you want, it will not change the fact that you originate from Turkey. Croats originate from Turkey? Indeed they do. www.globus.com.hr/Clanak.aspx?BrojID=37&ClanakID=516&Stranica=1Great article by Globus HR. Anyway, its a common knowledge for anyone who knows how to read that Croats (crveni i haj drugi) came via Poland and surrounding areas while originating from Turkish areas. Serbs for example, have more Turkish blood than anyone else on the Balkans. Croats + Bosnians are more alike.
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Post by stickinthemud on Apr 1, 2008 11:28:41 GMT -5
Croats originate from Turkey? Indeed they do. www.globus.com.hr/Clanak.aspx?BrojID=37&ClanakID=516&Stranica=1Great article by Globus HR. Anyway, its a common knowledge for anyone who knows how to read that Croats (crveni i haj drugi) came via Poland and surrounding areas while originating from Turkish areas. Serbs for example, have more Turkish blood than anyone else on the Balkans. Croats + Bosnians are more alike. Is it even important where Croats originated? Or for that fact Bosnians or Serbs? I don't see how 'ethnic origins' from over 1,000 years ago are even relevant to modern times. I can only believe there is a true Croat/Bosnian/Serb ethnicity if the natural sciences can yield a specifically 'Croat/Serb/Bosnian gene.' Good luck with that. Anyway I've heard alternative theories of 'origins' which seem equally plausible. But again, what is the relevance? I think many of the anthropologists and historians from the former Yugoslavia do not engage in objective scholarship. In fact, I think there is usually a subtle desire among them to somehow 'invalidate' other 'national claims'( or indeed promote their own) over a given section of land. Whats worse, I don't believe this kind of historical bias comes only from the X-Yugoslavian scholars but also from outsider historians who have some ax to grind or some view to inscribe. Granted, most history is written in such a way and given my own experiences in all around historical scholarship it becomes increasingly difficult to discern myth from reality and historical bias from objectivism (small 'o'). Can someone please translate the Marx and Engels and T.Roosevelt quotes for me? Thanks.
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Post by niquetamere on Apr 1, 2008 13:29:24 GMT -5
Dude, its not important. But try telling that to the Serbs who think everyone on this world is a Serb. No one is as insane as they are when it comes to living in the past. Just about the whole nation has some deep psychological issues.
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Post by niquetamere on Apr 1, 2008 13:35:25 GMT -5
Also, I don't know how well this translation will be from the poem but here we go;
With force get rid of (bitange = no loose translation, lets say fools/clowns) into Dunav (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunav) --- I can't translate the second line much, it basically says they want to get rid of them Hungry beggars, tired of life Fourth line basically calls them bad names (hard to translate) Croatian human pieces of shit, low village beggars The ones that their own ground spit up For may they become rabid travelers who are doomed to fail
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Post by stickinthemud on Apr 1, 2008 13:47:17 GMT -5
Dude, its not important. But try telling that to the Serbs who think everyone on this world is a Serb. No one is as insane as they are when it comes to living in the past. Just about the whole nation has some deep psychological issues. Judging by that website, which I believe is constructed by a nationalist Bosnian(unfortunately I can't read Bosnian, therefore, the whole website), the charges of 'ethnocentrism'( better word??) can be reciprocal with all the relevant nationalities involved.
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Post by stickinthemud on Apr 1, 2008 13:54:26 GMT -5
Also, I don't know how well this translation will be from the poem but here we go; With force get rid of (bitange = no loose translation, lets say fools/clowns) into Dunav (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunav) --- I can't translate the second line much, it basically says they want to get rid of them Hungry beggars, tired of life Fourth line basically calls them bad names (hard to translate) Croatian human pieces of s**t, low village beggars The ones that their own ground spit up For may they become rabid travelers who are doomed to fail Wow, thats some nasty stuff. But since it comes from Marx and Engels I would consider it a compliment for the Croats. This feeling towards Croats is probably the result of Croatia's incorporation into the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the seemingly unyielding loyalty of the Croatian aristocracy to the Austrian Kaiser. On top of that Croatia and Slovenia were one of the few places along the Balkan peninsula to be touched by Classical Liberalism, the ideological opponent to Marxism, during the 19th century. * Note, thats not my personal bias. I detest Marxism, this is true, and I also consider the Austrian Hapsburgs some of the better rulers in European history. I am merely pointing out relevant facts.
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Post by niquetamere on Apr 1, 2008 13:57:50 GMT -5
Dude, its not important. But try telling that to the Serbs who think everyone on this world is a Serb. No one is as insane as they are when it comes to living in the past. Just about the whole nation has some deep psychological issues. Judging by that website, which I believe is constructed by a nationalist Bosnian(unfortunately I can't read Bosnian, therefore, the whole website), the charges of 'ethnocentrism'( better word??) can be reciprocal with all the relevant nationalities involved. The website is not Bosnian, its Croatian. .HR is a Cro domain and Globus is their newspaper.
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Post by stickinthemud on Apr 1, 2008 14:46:13 GMT -5
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Post by niquetamere on Apr 1, 2008 15:51:59 GMT -5
My bad. Thought you meant the one I posted.
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Post by niquetamere on Apr 1, 2008 15:56:55 GMT -5
Noz, Zica ... SREBRENICA. Saying shit like that almost guarantees your children will be born defected.
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Post by amoureux24 on Apr 4, 2008 17:27:53 GMT -5
I am both Croat and Bosniak but in essence it is the same. My people are all muslims but we speak ikavica dialect which goes upto the the isles in Adriatic, but we live in quite central Bosnia. Ikavica is a trait of Croat people,so people who do not have ikavica are not Croats even if they were catholics and hold croatian passport.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 4, 2008 18:01:43 GMT -5
^^^Great you're a croat
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Post by zgembo on Apr 4, 2008 18:54:06 GMT -5
It is a simplistic way of looking at things. The Serbs of Krajina and Dalmatia often speak ikavica. The Croats of Slavonija speak ijekavica. Heck, the Croats in Baranja (not to mention Vojvodina) speak ekavica. It is really tough to differentiate like that.
One thing is for sure. The purest Croats are the ones who speak Kajkavica and Cakavica.
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Post by stickinthemud on Apr 5, 2008 9:35:32 GMT -5
This is simplistic too. There are no 'pure' people. Heck, most of the Germans are not exactly 'pure' Germanic. I do know the Croats north of Zagreb speak very similar to the Slovenes. Does it stand to reason to suggest Slovenes are the 'purest' Croats?
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 5, 2008 14:24:13 GMT -5
Funny smajsher :-)
Did you forget Stokavski? My father is from Osijek and lived in Baranja also, they do not speak ekavica nor ijekavica.
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