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Post by danceswithpoodles on Feb 20, 2009 12:55:33 GMT -5
albs helping turks get constantinople....I suppose this was revenge also?
Atrocities Of The Albanians.—The Prase publishes the following extract from a letter from a private correspondent at Constantinople, describing the atrocities committed against the Christians in Roumelia at the very gates of the capital: —" I have no time to speak of my private affairs, as my attention is exclusively occupied by the atrocities committed by the Albanians on my unfortunate country. It would be impossible to describe the scenes I have witnessed in the village of Bonasrava, in the district of Uskup, as well as in other districts of that province. I have seen the male inhabitants attached to stakes whilst these robbers gratified Ihcir passion on the wives and daughters of those unfortunate people. Other men were suspended by the feet and burned with straw. The villains were not satisfied with committing this unheard-of act of barbarity, but, through a refinement of cruelty, they forced the wives to set fire to the stakes to which their own husbands were attached. This is not all (here follow details of a character such as it is impossible for us to publish.) They have placed young men on spits and roasted them Mice sheep, saying, ' During the time of Hifzi Pasha you would not give us roast mutton ; we are now going to roast yourselves, and you have only to cry, Long live Hifzi Pasha.' I will not fatigue you with a description of the pillage and murders committed every day, as well as the prodigious number of persons whom these ferocious Albanians force to embrace Mohammedism. The prudent Turks approve not this conduct, and pity our misfortunes. In the district of Guilar the inhabitants of an entire village have been compelled to embrace Islamism, not being able longer to resist the vexations and atrocities of the Albanians. It would appear to me that the words of our Saviour mentioned in the holy Gospels are being accomplished. ' Wo to women with child, and to those who suckle, in these days of misfortune, for there will be a great famine on the earth.' " " It appears," adds the Presse, " that on being informed of these atrocities, the Austrian and Russian Ambassadors, MM. de Strumer and de Titoff, who had completely abstained, whilst MM. Canning and de Bourqueney had so much trouble in obtaining satisfaction from the Porte, have taken in hand energetically the cause of the Christians of Roumelia, and demanded exemplary satisfaction against the Albanians."
It is now conjectured that the zeal of British and French interposition at Constantinople in behalf of the relapsed renegades, and of the Christian subjects of the Porte generally, comes from a design to supplant Russia in the favor and reliance of that numerous portion. An English writer at Constantinople, says:
" The result of the measures of the British Ambassador has been to create a very general reaction among the Christians, both Greek and Armenian, in favor of English interests, and to place Russia and Austria in an unfavorable position in the eyes of the Turks and of the Rayi.-ihs. It is generally believed that the former is meditating some energetic remonstrance on the Albanian atrocities, in order to regain the sympathies of the Christians, which, by its policy in the late question, it had forfeited. The eyes of the Christian subjects of the Sultan are now open to the machinations of Russia. Had the English note produced no other effect than this, it would have been sufficient to establish its importance."
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Post by danceswithpoodles on Feb 20, 2009 13:19:10 GMT -5
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Post by greekscandal on Feb 20, 2009 13:44:49 GMT -5
Ismail Qemal Vlora, an Albanian who was a member of the Turkish Chamber of Deputies, was one of the first people to protest the inhumane treatment of the Armenians by the Turkish government.
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Post by meltdown711 on Feb 20, 2009 14:19:37 GMT -5
If Albanians committed crimes (or heroic deeds as I consider it) in 1917 and 20's its because of this when it occurred in 1914: query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=950DE7D61338EE32A25756C1A96F9C946896D6CFTwo can play this pointless game s**tty ass (aka Uranius)... but to let you know, its you and the Serbs who started it in 1912 with your crimes. We only retaliated. Whats worse, your people's crimes were committed against men, women and children... we just killed the men responsible afterwards... I recently posted an article by a British article that was translated in Albanian which discussed the topic. Its called Monastir(the topic)... google translate now has Albanian so you can get it translated. Again, this game goes back and forth. But just to let you know, an Albanian will know which person killed his great grandfather 500 years ago and who to get revenge on for it half a millenium later... can Greeks do that?
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Post by danceswithpoodles on Feb 20, 2009 14:50:12 GMT -5
dear deranged psycho....please get a life. one more time....what did the armenians do to you?
It's kind of obvious the majority of albanians were turkish asslickers....and so are you!
oh and you might want to re-read the NYT article about the rapes etc. Stop kidding yourself about how humane and fair you were. You are the moron that condoned the pouring of gasoline and setting a woman on fire that was tied to a tree just because she was Greek minority a year back. Grow the fvck up already...flapjack. You can play it 'straight' here all you want but some of us remember your dorky ass in all those photos....standing so far apart from whatever female was in the picture and wearing those stupid 'shorts' that go past your knees....your either GAY or a complete dork. Take your pic slimeball.
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Post by greekscandal on Feb 20, 2009 15:15:32 GMT -5
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Post by meltdown711 on Feb 20, 2009 17:12:10 GMT -5
Lol, it seems Eva cant get passed personal remarks based off of photos made 5 years ago. Armenians attacked what many consider to be our bretheren people, so some of us helped them out. A small few at that. Armenians arent the only ones we took care of. Look up Mehmed Esad Pasa. He was the second highest ranking Turkish general next to Ataturk in both the Gallipoli campaign and earlier against various Greek rebels and I believe later even served against the Greek invasion and helped in getting your asses whooped. He was an Albanian from Janina. Friends help friends. Just like you helped the Serbs in Srebrenica. It's kind of obvious the majority of albanians were turkish asslickers....and so are you! [/quote] Your not an asslicker if your considered to be a partner by the other. Thats because Greek women from Epirus either look like men (as in you) or they look like ugly round balls (which you seem to increasingly be heading towards). Thus I dont consider them to be women. Again, two can play at that game. And I said generally, she should consider it an honor if she was raped considering 99% of Greek women in southern Albania are unfukably fugly...
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Feb 20, 2009 17:33:11 GMT -5
to the self-hating Arvanite...Albania (under the direction of Sali Berisha lol) recently sent weapons to Armenia. Turkey had to ship the ship full of weapons back TWICE. please do not confuse politics for anything else.
to the confused Ballist, Turks are not our brethren people , most Albanians dont consider them so. Albanians, like Greeks, dont really have brother peopel
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Keep it civil.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 20, 2009 18:21:13 GMT -5
It doesn't matter what anyone here says as we are not in any position to make any government influences. According to some of you, it’s propagandas and yet “Protocol of Corfu (1914) Independent State of Northern Epirus” still exists in the U.N....... I came here in this topic to discuss on what an Albanian by the name Insomniac had to say after a reply, but I was disappointed, thought it was going to come here in good will geusture and educate his fellow men on international laws.... Insomniac Moderator What does International Law say? « Thread Started on 9 Feb, 2009, 3:57am » UN Resolution #2625: "Every State has the duty to refrain from any forcible action which deprives peoples referred to in the elaboration of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of their right to self-determination and freedom and independence." The use of force to deprive peoples of their national identity constitutes a violation of their inalienable rights and of the principle of non-intervention. illyria.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=shqiperiaalbania&action=display&thread=17113Seems Albanians have a hard time understanding these laws apply even to them. Also according to “Protocol of Corfu (1914) and other laws / treites Albania is illegally occupying Northern Epirus untill it is resolved by both parties. .
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Post by danceswithpoodles on Feb 20, 2009 21:48:05 GMT -5
I'm to manly, muscular and tall to turn into a round ball.
Has in really been 5 years since you stopped posting crap about you, yourself and all the important people you know? You can't change gay. You are a closet queen. I've read so many of your posts where you knock pictures of women and now all of a sudden you get 'distracted' by boobies. Who are you kidding?
FYI, your new persona sucks. I suggest you pop your cherry with a woman....or a man...hell do it with a goat if no one wants you (yup your lacking in social skills eg.pretending to be a dick). Do you pretend often?
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Post by leshte on Feb 20, 2009 22:09:03 GMT -5
UN Resolution #2625:
"Every State has the duty to refrain from any forcible action which deprives peoples referred to in the elaboration of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of their right to self-determination and freedom and independence."
The use of force to deprive peoples of their national identity constitutes a violation of their inalienable rights and of the principle of non-intervention.
I think this Resolution has to be enforced inside Greece, since it is the only country in the world that doesn't recognize ethnic minorities. None of them, zero, zilch, nada.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 20, 2009 22:46:17 GMT -5
Greece is already part of the E.U which passed flying colours with the minority criteria besides the topic is about "The Enslaved Greeks of Northern Epirus" Rest is irelevent to this topic. If Albania wishes to enter the E.U then you have to grant their freedoms to their culture and history and off-course return their proprties back. Pretty much like the Grekos do in Italy...That’s not too much to ask after some eighty years is it ?
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Post by leshte on Feb 21, 2009 0:08:55 GMT -5
This is not about the EU. You were talking about a UN resolution you like, and I said I like it too and it should be enforced in Greece also since you like it so much. Nothing to do with the EU.
They minorities have all of those already. They have minister posts in our government. When you have a minority person in your government in Greece come and talk to us here again about human rights. O I forgot you don't know what human rights are, since you don't even recognize minorities. Our orthodox church is led by a pure Greek, not even a minority. Now imagine if an Albanian led your church. There would be mass suicides in Greece if that happened. They have Greek schools open for 1 or 2 students. Also the land issue I think you don't know $hit about. I am Albanian and I can't get my land back. The dictatorship screwed everything and then the laws changed in the 1990's again. Since I can't get my land back then us Albanians and the 2 Greek villages remaining there are not being treated differently.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 21, 2009 0:56:57 GMT -5
It has a lot to do with the E.U since someone mentioned it and informed or corrected this person so to speak; Once we are in EU such tensions will be less. My reply; I don’t think you understand politics here, had you understood the slightest bit about it, you soon will realise to join the E.U you have to respect the minorities period. Because it’s part of the E.U entry conditions. I’m surprised your not informed.
Also you’ll have to update your theories of Greek history and Pelasgian claims ! because you'll be introduced to the real world where Enver Hoxia doesn't exist for you anymore.
The very people Albania abused maybe the very people that may become her nightmare...It’s called Karma, poor Albanians always choosing wrong sides !!!!!!!!. COPENHAGEN EUROPEAN COUNCILMembership criteria require that the candidate country must have achieved * stability of institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities; * the existence of a functioning market economy as well as the capacity to cope with competitive pressure and market forces within the Union; * the ability to take on the obligations of membership including adherence to the aims of political, economic & monetary union. ec.europa.eu/enlargement/enlargement_process/accession_process/criteria/index_en.htmAlso another reason it has a lot to do with the E.U is because the Albanian goverment refuses to do a proper census, fearing a large amount of people will register as Greeks....You have to acknowedge them before real talks can begin for E.U membership... Let's not forget both the Greeks and Albanians suffered under communism. .
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Post by meltdown711 on Feb 21, 2009 2:29:49 GMT -5
I didnt say tall and muscular... Ive yet to see any member of the Greek minority who is tall or muscular. The men are just as round, fat and ugly as the women. In fact I will say distinctions between the two are small... have you ever read Aristophanes speech on the origin of man in the Symposium? He nails it. And I change personas as I please on this forum... and continue to... so long as you people think you read online profiles... I used to go on one other forum besides this (allempires) and through the years my persona there has been rather consistent and different than the one here, if you care to know... Here its just fun... ;D dike... As for what else you said, dont worry, I get along very well. In fact, Ill say this: I can actually have the freedom to be picky with who I bag: img26.imageshack.us/img26/2848/n5191471518667667439.jpg / img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n1372500016300590074395.jpgI wonder about you... You seem pretty, as Albanians say, 'e eger'... were you the lonely one on prom night?
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 21, 2009 3:45:04 GMT -5
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Post by danceswithpoodles on Feb 21, 2009 8:38:01 GMT -5
you couldn't bag a potato....next
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 22, 2009 3:06:15 GMT -5
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 22, 2009 23:53:35 GMT -5
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Post by alb12345 on Feb 23, 2009 15:06:58 GMT -5
turks have nice history karta you have to follow you grandfather roots . stop showing fotos of arvanitis AKA albanians.
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