Post by Patrinos on Jan 15, 2009 9:28:46 GMT -5
To clear some things about Arvanites, their population and role in the Revolution.
I'll use the sourses by this greek blog,translated via google,and me.
kleftouria.blogspot.com/
About the population:
Let us therefore begin with the question of population Arvaniton especially the 19th century when the language was spoken almost universally by Greeks with Arvanitic origin wand was easier to "discrimination", starting, not only to the generally accepted and comprehensive book K. Biris "Arvanites, the Dorians the younger Greeks, the history of Greek Arvaniton.
Biris (Arvanitis himself) in the capital of the demographic review highlights the big mistake of those foreign (consuls, travelers) dealt with this issue which antiepistimonika easily identified the mixture of the indigenous paroikous Arvanites were now bilingual as Albanians. ( 1)
Let's see what Johann Georg von Hahn wrote (Albaneische Studien, 1854) considered the father of alvanology and lived in Greece more than 20 years since 1843 as in 1869 he served successively as consul of Austria in Ioannina, Syros and finally in Athens as Consul General.. The table listed in the above book states in place of the population of Arvanites in Greece and ends in total 173,000 Arvanites when Greece was in accordance with the population census in 1856 1,096,810.
But Hahn in his foreword, which he wrote afterwards refers to his mistake he did in his list when he said about 10.000 Arvanites in Spercheios area and another 5.000 in Phocis, where as Mpiris admits(2), never existed!
He also writes in the foreword that many questioned his counts like Finlay(he've written about the Revolution and not only) who counted the Arvanites 100.000(3) even if strangely in his book(4) he raises the number to 200.000 with out analysing the distribution.
Accepting Hahn's writings as worthy being an albanologist and living in Greece so many years the number of Arvanites after his corrections is 158.000 which is about 14% of the population of the free Greece of 1854(Peloponnesus,Sterea Ellas,and Cycladic islands).
Analytically Hahn writes: 55.000 Arvanites in Attica and Boetoia(plus Salamina) in total population of 116.021.
In south Euvoia 25.000 Arvanites in 72.368 total population in the island.
In northern Andros(5) 6000 Arvanites in total amount of citizens 19.376.
In Argolis and in the islands of Argosaronic(Ydra,Spetses,Poros) he mention 47.000 Arvanites in total amount of 75.501 citizens of which the monolingual Hellenophones are found mainly west and north of Argos and in the two centers Argos and Nauplion.
Also he refers to the 15.000 Arvanites in Achaia and Korinthia in total population of 129.000. Those in Achaia live mainly in the so called Arvanitohoria or Zoubatohoria in the western Panachaikos and some villages in Dymis and Fares municipalities. In Korinthia the language exists in the eastern part and in the area of today Sykion municipality.
For the rest Peloponnesus he mention with questionmark 10.000 Arvanites who are located in small group of villages like these of the Soulimohoria Messinias(the Ntredhes), in the area of Zaraka in Lakonia, and in some villages in Hraia municipality in Arcadia(Paloumba etc)
Mpiris also mention and with Alfred Philippson(Swedish) who travelled in Peloponnesus in 1889 writing the «Zur Ethnographie des Peloponnes ,Pettersmans Mitteilungen»,1890. This researcher(who studied the ethnography of Greece,and especially Peloponnesus) counted the number of Arvanites in Peloponnisos and in the islands of Argosaronikos 90,253 in a total population of the area 730.000, meaning 12% of the whole area, and 9.5 of Peloponnesians. He also counts the total population of Arvanites in Greece of 1889(that is Greece with out Macedonia,Thrace,Crete and Dodecanese,and of course with out the Greek of Minor Asia and Pontos!). in the number of 224.000 when the population of free Greece was 2.187.208,that means 10% of the population were Arvanites.
In the same year a Patrinos doctor H.P. Koryllos wrote the "Ethnographia tis Peloponnesou,Patra,1890) after traveling throughout Peloponnesos and collected information having in mind opinions of mayor and parliamentals he reached in the conclusion that the number of Arvanites in Peloponnesos and the Argosaronic islands was 71.037(50.352 for Peloponnesos and 20.685 for the islands) that means in a total population of that area of 730.000 Arvanites make the 9.5% and for Peloponnesos the 7%.
Also the national British "Handbook of Greece,1918,Naval Staff-Intelligence Division,p.72) analysing Greece's athnography says that Arvanites are not more than the 8.5% of the population of the Greek state.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Pelopones_ethnic.JPG
Philippson's map.Very acurate I can say.
I'll continue.
I'll use the sourses by this greek blog,translated via google,and me.
kleftouria.blogspot.com/
About the population:
Let us therefore begin with the question of population Arvaniton especially the 19th century when the language was spoken almost universally by Greeks with Arvanitic origin wand was easier to "discrimination", starting, not only to the generally accepted and comprehensive book K. Biris "Arvanites, the Dorians the younger Greeks, the history of Greek Arvaniton.
Biris (Arvanitis himself) in the capital of the demographic review highlights the big mistake of those foreign (consuls, travelers) dealt with this issue which antiepistimonika easily identified the mixture of the indigenous paroikous Arvanites were now bilingual as Albanians. ( 1)
Let's see what Johann Georg von Hahn wrote (Albaneische Studien, 1854) considered the father of alvanology and lived in Greece more than 20 years since 1843 as in 1869 he served successively as consul of Austria in Ioannina, Syros and finally in Athens as Consul General.. The table listed in the above book states in place of the population of Arvanites in Greece and ends in total 173,000 Arvanites when Greece was in accordance with the population census in 1856 1,096,810.
But Hahn in his foreword, which he wrote afterwards refers to his mistake he did in his list when he said about 10.000 Arvanites in Spercheios area and another 5.000 in Phocis, where as Mpiris admits(2), never existed!
He also writes in the foreword that many questioned his counts like Finlay(he've written about the Revolution and not only) who counted the Arvanites 100.000(3) even if strangely in his book(4) he raises the number to 200.000 with out analysing the distribution.
Accepting Hahn's writings as worthy being an albanologist and living in Greece so many years the number of Arvanites after his corrections is 158.000 which is about 14% of the population of the free Greece of 1854(Peloponnesus,Sterea Ellas,and Cycladic islands).
Analytically Hahn writes: 55.000 Arvanites in Attica and Boetoia(plus Salamina) in total population of 116.021.
In south Euvoia 25.000 Arvanites in 72.368 total population in the island.
In northern Andros(5) 6000 Arvanites in total amount of citizens 19.376.
In Argolis and in the islands of Argosaronic(Ydra,Spetses,Poros) he mention 47.000 Arvanites in total amount of 75.501 citizens of which the monolingual Hellenophones are found mainly west and north of Argos and in the two centers Argos and Nauplion.
Also he refers to the 15.000 Arvanites in Achaia and Korinthia in total population of 129.000. Those in Achaia live mainly in the so called Arvanitohoria or Zoubatohoria in the western Panachaikos and some villages in Dymis and Fares municipalities. In Korinthia the language exists in the eastern part and in the area of today Sykion municipality.
For the rest Peloponnesus he mention with questionmark 10.000 Arvanites who are located in small group of villages like these of the Soulimohoria Messinias(the Ntredhes), in the area of Zaraka in Lakonia, and in some villages in Hraia municipality in Arcadia(Paloumba etc)
Mpiris also mention and with Alfred Philippson(Swedish) who travelled in Peloponnesus in 1889 writing the «Zur Ethnographie des Peloponnes ,Pettersmans Mitteilungen»,1890. This researcher(who studied the ethnography of Greece,and especially Peloponnesus) counted the number of Arvanites in Peloponnisos and in the islands of Argosaronikos 90,253 in a total population of the area 730.000, meaning 12% of the whole area, and 9.5 of Peloponnesians. He also counts the total population of Arvanites in Greece of 1889(that is Greece with out Macedonia,Thrace,Crete and Dodecanese,and of course with out the Greek of Minor Asia and Pontos!). in the number of 224.000 when the population of free Greece was 2.187.208,that means 10% of the population were Arvanites.
In the same year a Patrinos doctor H.P. Koryllos wrote the "Ethnographia tis Peloponnesou,Patra,1890) after traveling throughout Peloponnesos and collected information having in mind opinions of mayor and parliamentals he reached in the conclusion that the number of Arvanites in Peloponnesos and the Argosaronic islands was 71.037(50.352 for Peloponnesos and 20.685 for the islands) that means in a total population of that area of 730.000 Arvanites make the 9.5% and for Peloponnesos the 7%.
Also the national British "Handbook of Greece,1918,Naval Staff-Intelligence Division,p.72) analysing Greece's athnography says that Arvanites are not more than the 8.5% of the population of the Greek state.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Pelopones_ethnic.JPG
Philippson's map.Very acurate I can say.
I'll continue.