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Post by Kassandros on Oct 13, 2008 12:55:58 GMT -5
www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/13941/IFIMES: Macedonia Faces Tough Times Skopje, Macedonia13 October 2008 Skopje _ Macedonia faces tough times ahead, especially regarding international relations and the economy, says the latest report by IFIMES, the Slovenian-based International Institute for Middle Eastern and Balkan studies. Compared to its situation in 2006, before the centre-right VMRO DPMNE party took power, Macedonia appears internationally “very isolated” and its leaders cannot agree even on crucial issues, the report argues. “After the unprincipled Greek veto on its NATO accession, it is likely that Macedonia this year, for the third time in a row, will not secure a firm date for start of its EU accession talks, either”, IFIMES adds. It claims Macedonia would be solely responsible for EU talks failure. “Macedonia has failed to meet the eight EU criteria” and in addition it conducted the “worst organized and most violent elections ever” this June, IFIMES says. The institute notes that differences between President Branko Crvenkovski and the Prime Minister and VMRO DPMNE leader Nikola Gruevski on such crucial issues as the “name” row with Greece are so big that they are damaging national interests. It is also unlikely that the “name” row will be resolved soon, since Gruevski rejected the latest compromise suggestion of the UN mediator, Matthew Nimetz, the institute says. The country will only sail into calmer waters once it resolves this dispute, but presidential and local elections set for March 2009 are likely to “heat up Macedonia’s political scene”, the institute predicts.
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 18, 2008 11:25:23 GMT -5
expatriot Amicus member is offline Joined: Oct 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 614 Location: Athens Karma: 18 [ Exalt | Smite ] AíáôñïðÝò ãéá ôï üíïìá « Thread Started Yesterday at 11:17 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now things are getting interesting www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=56465Êáé äåýôåñç ÷þñá, ìåôÜ ôïí ÐáíáìÜ ðñï÷ùñÜ óå Üñóç áíáãíþñéóçò ôïõ ïíüìáôïò «Äçìïêñáôßá ôçò Ìáêåäïíßáò». Ôï Ìåîéêü -ðïõ åß÷å áíáãíùñßóåé ôï 2001 ôá Óêüðéá ùò Äçìïêñáôßá ôçò Ìáêåäïíßáò- áíáêïßíùóå üôé ðëÝïí èá ÷ñçóéìïðïéåß ôï üíïìá FYROM. Óå êïéíÞ áíáêïßíùóç ÅëëÜäáò-Ìåîéêïý áíáöÝñåôáé üôé ìÝ÷ñé ôçí åðßëõóç ôçò äéáöïñÜò ãéá ôï üíïìá, ôï Ìåîéêü ðñïóùñéíÜ áíáöÝñåôáé óôï êñÜôïò áõôü ùò FYROM, ãéá êÜèå äéìåñÞ êáé äéåèíÞ ÷ñÞóç. Óýìöùíá ìå ðëçñïöïñßåò, Ý÷ïõí öôÜóåé èåôéêÜ ìçíýìáôá óôçí ÁèÞíá áðü ÷þñåò ôçò ËáôéíéêÞò ÁìåñéêÞò êáé ôçò ÁöñéêÞò ðïõ äåß÷íïõí ôçí ðñüèåóç íá ÷ñçóéìïðïéïýí óôï åîÞò ôï üíïìá ÐÃÄÌ óôéò äéìåñåßò ôïõò ó÷Ýóåéò. Link to Post - Back to Top Logged
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 18, 2008 11:26:48 GMT -5
Arxileas Moderator member is offline Joined: Oct 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 2,417 Location: Where ever Hellenism lives. Karma: 171 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: AíáôñïðÝò ãéá ôï üíïìá « Reply #1 Today at 2:00 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mexico changes her thesis as regards the FYROM name issue Foreign Undersecretary of Mexico Ambassador Juan Manuel Gómez Robledo met with the Deputy Foreign Minister of Greece Dr. Yannis Valinakis in the framework of the 63rd Session of the United Nations General Assembly in New York. They reviewed the bilateral agenda and, in this context, they underlined the importance of the 70th Anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between Greece and Mexico, which will take place on August 12, 2009. Both sides recognized that this milestone constitutes an excellent opportunity to further strengthen the relations of the two countries. Undersecretary Gómez Robledo thanked Greece for its support for the candidacy of Mexico for a non-permanent seat on the Security Council for the period 2009-2010, and reiterated that the participation of Mexico in the Security Council will be aimed at promoting peaceful settlement of disputes; peace and stability; and upholding the principles enshrined in the United Nations Charter. Deputy Foreign Minister Valinakis briefed Undersecretary Gómez Robledo on developments regarding the name issue of the State provisionally referred to as the “Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”. In this regard, Undersecretary Gómez Robledo underlined that the Government of Mexico fully supports the United Nations efforts to find a mutually acceptable solution on the subject. He also assured that, pending settlement of the difference that has arisen over the name of that State, Mexico provisionally refers to that State as the “Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”, in conformity with the relevant Security Council Resolutions 817/93 and 845/93, for all international and bilateral purposes. Finally, Deputy Minister Valinakis and Undersecretary Gómez Robledo emphasized the readiness of both Governments to further promote trade and investment opportunities, taking full advantage of the Free Trade Agreement between the European Union and Mexico www.mfa.gr/www.mfa.gr/Articles/en-US/171008_H1057.htm Link to Post - Back to Top Logged
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 18, 2008 12:13:01 GMT -5
www.phantis.gr/Åìöýëéïò êïñõöÞò óôá Óêüðéá (ÊáèçìåñéíÞ) Ôï êëßìá åèíéêéóìïý áíçóõ÷åß Å.Å. êáé ÍÁÔÏ Ç åéêüíá ôïõ åìöýëéïõ ðïëéôéêïý óðáñáãìïý ðïõ åêðÝìðïõí ôá Óêüðéá ðñïâëçìáôßæåé ôï ÍÁÔÏ êáé ôçí Å.Å. ðïõ äéáðéóôþíïõí áäõíáìßá ôçò çãåóßáò ôçò ÷þñáò íá õëïðïéÞóåé Ýíá åê ôùí óðïõäáéïôÝñùí êñéôçñßùí Ýíôáîçò, ðïõ åßíáé ç ïìáëÞ ëåéôïõñãßá ôïõ äçìïêñáôéêïý ðïëéôåýìáôïò. Áêüìç ðåñéóóüôåñï ôïõò áíçóõ÷åß, üìùò, ç áëáæïíåßá ôïõ ðñùèõðïõñãïý Íßêïëá Ãêñïýåöóêé êáé ç êáëëéÝñãåéá åèíéêéóôéêïý ðáñïîõóìïý óôï óëáâïìáêåäïíéêü óôïé÷åßï, ìå áöïñìÞ ôï üíïìá. «Ïðïõ íá ’íáé èá ìáò õðï÷ñåþóïõí íá êõêëïöïñïýìå ìå ÷ëáìýäåò», Ýëåãå ÷áñáêôçñéóôéêÜ Óëáâïìáêåäüíáò åðé÷åéñçìáôßáò. Óôï êëßìá åèíéêéóìïý ðïõ êõñéáñ÷åß, äýóêïëá ôïëìÜ êÜðïéïò íá äéáöùíÞóåé ìå ôçí êõâåñíçôéêÞ ðïëéôéêÞ óôï öëÝãïí èÝìá ôïõ ïíüìáôïò, ÷ùñßò íá åíôá÷èåß áðü ôï «óýóôçìá Ãêñïýåöóêé» áõôïìÜôùò óôïõò ðñïäüôåò ôïõò Ýèíïõò. Åíáò åê ôùí ðéï ãíùóôþí äçìïóéïãñÜöùí ôùí Óêïðßùí, ï ÌðñÜíêï ÃêÝñïóêé, áðåëýèç, ìå Üíùèåí åíôïëÞ óôïí åñãïäüôç ôïõ, äéüôé ôüëìçóå íá áóêÞóåé êñéôéêÞ óôïí Ãêñïýåöóêé üôé ïäçãåß ôç ÷þñá óôï ãêñåìü. Ôçí ßäéá ôý÷ç åß÷å, ãéá ôïõò ßäéïõò ëüãïõò, êáé Ýíáò Üëëïò óõíÜäåëöüò ôïõ, ðïõ åñãáæüôáí óôçí ôçëåüñáóç. ÐõñÜ ðåñß ìåéïäïóßáò åêôïîåýïíôáé ìå êÜèå áöïñìÞ êáé åõêïëßá áêüìç êáé êáôÜ ôïõ ÌðñÜíêï ÔóåñâÝíêïöóêé, áí êáé ü÷é åõèÝùò, ãéáôß ôüôå èá Ýðñåðå íá óõëëÜâïõí êáé íá óôÞóïõí óôá Ýîé ìÝôñá ãéá åó÷Üôç ðñïäïóßá ôïí ðñüåäñï ôçò ÷þñáò. Äõôéêïß äéðëùìÜôåò óôá Óêüðéá Ýëåãáí üôé áíáôñß÷éáóáí áêïýãïíôáò óôéò 8 Óåðôåìâñßïõ, çìÝñá ôçò áíáêÞñõîçò áíåîÜñôçôïõ êñÜôïõò ôçò «Äçìïêñáôßáò ôçò Ìáêåäïíßáò», ôïí ðñùèõðïõñãü íá åêöùíåß, áðåõèõíüìåíïò óå ðëÞèïò óõãêåíôñùìÝíùí ïðáäþí ôïõ, ðýñéíï ëüãï õðÝñ ôùí «äéêáßùí ôïõ ìáêåäïíéêïý Ýèíïõò». «Èýìéóå ôïí Ìéëüóåâéôò êé åêåßíï ôï åèíéêïðáôñéùôéêü ôïõ íôåëßñéï ôïí Éïýíéï ôïõ ’89 åíþðéïí åíüò åêáôïììõñßïõ ÓÝñâùí óôï Êüóïâï Ðüëéå, ìå áöïñìÞ ôç óõìðëÞñùóç åîáêïóßùí ÷ñüíùí áðï ôç ìÜ÷ç ôïõ Êïóóõöïðåäßïõ», ó÷ïëßáóå áìÝóùò ìåôÜ Ýíáò åî áõôþí.Ï èõìüò ôùí Åõñùðáßùí ãéá ôï ðïëéôéêü ðñüâëçìá ðïõ ôáëáíßæåé ôá Óêüðéá, ìå ôç óýãêñïõóç ðñïÝäñïõ êáé ðñùèõðïõñãïý, áëëÜ êáé ôçí áäéáëëáîßá ôïõ Íßêïëá Ãêñïýåöóêé, åêöñÜóôçêå ìå åýãëùôôï ôñüðï áðü ôïí ðñåóâåõôÞ ôçò Å.Å. óôá Óêüðéá, ÅñâÜí ÖïõåñÝ. Ìéëþíôáò óôçí áñìüäéá êïéíïâïõëåõôéêÞ åðéôñïðÞ ãéá ôçí åíôáîéáêÞ ðïñåßá ôçò ÐÃÄÌ Ýâáëå «ðÜãï» óôïõò éó÷õñéóìïýò ôçò óëáâïìáêåäïíéêÞò ðëåõñÜò üôé ç ÅëëÜäá åßíáé ç ìïíáäéêÞ áéôßá ðïõ ç ÷þñá ôïõ äåí ðëçñïß ôá êñéôÞñéá. Óå áõóôçñü ýöïò ï Åõñùðáßïò áîéùìáôïý÷ïò áðÜíôçóå ùìÜ: «Ìçí øÜ÷íåôå äéêáéïëïãßåò êáé êïéôÜîôå íá åðéëýóåôå ôá ðïëéôéêÜ óáò ðñïâëÞìáôá».ÅðçñåÜæåé ôç äéáðñáãìÜôåõóç ìå ôçí ÁèÞíá ç êüíôñá ôùí äýï çãåôþí; ÏðùóäÞðïôå, áðü ôç óôéãìÞ ðïõ ç åëëçíéêÞ ðëåõñÜ äåí îÝñåé ðïéïò åêöñÜæåé ôé áðü ôçí çãåóßá ôùí Óêïðßùí
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 18, 2008 23:20:11 GMT -5
www.ephemerida.gr/istoxoros1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8825&Itemid=30Ôçí Ýíôïíç äõóáñÝóêåéá ôïõ Ãåíéêïý ÃñáììáôÝá ôïõ ÍÁÔÏ, Ãéáð Íôå ×ïõð ÓÝöåñ, åîÝöñáóå óÞìåñá áðü ôéò ÂñõîÝëëåò o åêðñüóùðïò ôïõ ÍÁÔÏ, ÔæÝéìò ÁðáôïõñÜé, óå ó÷Ýóç ìå ôçëåãñÜöçìá ôïõ ðñáêôïñåßïõ åéäÞóåùí MIA ôçò ÐÃÄÌ, ôï ïðïßï åìöÜíéæå ôïí Ã.Ã. ôïõ ÍÁÔÏ äéáôåèåéìÝíï íá öÝñåé ðñïò óõæÞôçóç óôç Óõììá÷ßá ôï æÞôçìá ôùí «åðåéóïäßùí», ôá ïðïßá ç ÐÃÄÌ ìå äéÜâçìÜ ôçò õðïóôçñßæåé üôé óõíÝâçóáí óôçí ðåñéï÷Þ ôçò Öëþñéíáò. Ôá üóá áíáöÝñïíôáé óôï ôçëåãñÜöçìá áõôü åßíáé áðïëýôùò áíáëçèÞ, äÞëùóå ï åêðñüóùðïò ôçò Óõììá÷ßáò. Óýìöùíá ìå ôïí Ôæ. ÁðáôïõñÜé, ï Ã.Ã. ôïõ ÍÁÔÏ ïõäÝðïôå åîÝöñáóå áíÜëïãåò áðüøåéò óôïí ðñùèõðïõñãü ôçò ÐÃÄÌ ìå ôïí ïðïßï, üðùò åßíáé ãíùóôü óõíáíôÞèçêå óÞìåñá óôéò ÂñõîÝëëåò. «×ùñßò âÜóç» ÷áñáêôÞñéóå åðßóçò, ï åêðñüóùðïò ôïõ ÍÁÔÏ, áíáöïñÜ ôïõ ðñáêôïñåßïõ ôçò ÐÃÄÌ, ç ïðïßá Ýöåñå ôïí Ãéáð Íôå ×ïõð ÓÝöåñ íá áíáöÝñåôáé ìå åîáéñåôéêÜ èåôéêïýò ÷áñáêôçñéóìïýò ãéá ôï ðñüóùðï ôïõ ðñùèõðïõñãïý ôçò ÐÃÄÌ.
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 19, 2008 7:12:44 GMT -5
Μυστική συνεργασία ΗΠΑ - ΠΓΔΜ Η πρόταση που κατέθεσε ο διαμεσολαβητής των Ηνωμένων Εθνών Μάθιου Νίμιτς είχε προταθεί από το αμερικανικό υπουργείο Εξωτερικών. Η πρόταση που κατέθεσε ο διαμεσολαβητής των Ηνωμένων Εθνών Μάθιου Νίμιτς είχε προταθεί από το αμερικανικό υπουργείο Εξωτερικών και καταγραφόταν σε τηλεγράφημα που έστειλε η πρεσβευτής των ΗΠΑ στα Σκόπια τον Ιούλιο, σύμφωνα με δημοσίευμα εφημερίδας. Η Αμερικανίδα διπλωμάτης σημειώνει ότι το ζήτημα θα διευθετηθεί με την παράκαμψη της Ελλάδας στο θέμα της γλώσσας και της εθνικότητας με εσωτερικά έγγραφα του ΟΗΕ. Ο εκπρόσωπος του ελληνικού υπουργείου Εξωτερικών, Γιώργος Κουμουτσάκος, δήλωσε ότι διαπραγμάτευση νοείται αποκλειστικά και μόνο στο πλαίσιο του ΟΗΕ και επίσης ότι η θέση μας είναι σύνθετη ονομασία με σαφή γεωγραφικό προσδιορισμό έναντι όλων. www.kathimerini.gr
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 19, 2008 7:30:13 GMT -5
Like we dont know the American interfeerance... pfff
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 19, 2008 7:48:35 GMT -5
"Ethnos tis Kyriakis" newspaper revealed a classified document of state Department that proves a secret co operation between US and Skopje on the name issue. news.ert.gr/en/c/10/36034.aspThe US document, from ethnos newspaper
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 19, 2008 7:50:26 GMT -5
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Post by chalkedon on Oct 20, 2008 5:05:35 GMT -5
www.in.gr/news/article.asp?lngEntityID=949541&lngDtrID=244Thank you Congo ! Ùò Ðñþçí ÃéïõãêïóëáâéêÞ Äçìïêñáôßá ôçò Ìáêåäïíßáò èá ïíïìÜæåôáé ðëÝïí ç ãåéôïíéêÞ ìáò ÷þñá êáé ãéá ôç Äçìïêñáôßá ôïõ Êïíãêü, åßôå óå åðßðåäï äéìåñþí ó÷Ýóåùí, åßôå óå åðßðåäï äéåèíþí ó÷Ýóåùí. Áõôü áíáöÝñåôáé óå Êïéíü ÁíáêïéíùèÝí ðïõ õðÝãñáøáí áðü êïéíïý ï ¸ëëçíáò õöõðïõñãüò Åîùôåñéêþí Ã.ÂáëçíÜêçò êáé ï õðïõñãüò Åîùôåñéêþí ôïõ Êïíãêü Ìðïýóá Íéáìâßóé ìåôÜ áðü óõíÜíôçóç ðïõ åß÷áí óôï ðåñéèþñéï ôçò óýíïäïõ ÊïñõöÞò ãéá ôç Ãáëëïöùíßá óôï ÊåìðÝê. Åðß ôçò ïõóßáò, ðñüêåéôáé ðåñß ðñÜîçò áðï-áíáãíþñéóçò ôçò ÐÃÄÌ ìå ôç óõíôáãìáôéêÞ ôçò ïíïìáóßá (êáèþò ôï Êïíãêü åß÷å áðü åôþí áíáãíùñßóåé ôç ãåéôïíéêÞ ìáò ÷þñá ìå ôç óõíôáãìáôéêÞ ôçò ïíïìáóßá), ðïõ Ýñ÷åôáé ìÜëéóôá ëßãåò ìÝñåò ìåôÜ áðü áíÜëïãç áðï-áíáãíþñéóç ôçò êõâÝñíçóçò ôïõ Ìåîéêü, ðÜëé ìåôÜ áðü ôç ó÷åôéêÞ äéðëùìáôéêÞ äñáóôçñéüôçôá ôïõ ê. ÂáëçíÜêç. Óôï ðåñéèþñéï ôçò óõíüäïõ ÊïñõöÞò ãéá ôç Ãáëëïöùíßá, ï ¸ëëçíáò õöõðïõñãüò Åîùôåñéêþí óõíÜíôçóå åðßóçò ôïí õðïõñãü Ìåôáöïñþí ôïõ ÊáíáäÜ, ðïõ åêðñïóùðïýóå óôç óýíïäï ôïí ðñùèõðïõñãü ôçò ÷þñáò. ÊáôÜ ôç óõíÜíôçóç åîåôÜóôçêáí äéìåñÞ èÝìáôá êáé æçôÞìáôá ðïõ áöïñïýí óôçí ïìïãÝíåéá, êõñßùò üìùò åêöñÜóôçêå ç åëëçíéêÞ äõóöïñßá ãéá ôç ÷ñÞóç ôïõ üñïõ «Ìáêåäïíßá» áðü ôçí êõâÝñíçóç ôçò ÏôôÜâáò.
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 20, 2008 13:18:39 GMT -5
www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100010_20/10/2008_101462US-FYROM ‘pact’ upsets diplomats Athens yesterday expressed displeasure in the wake of allegations that a confidential US government document indicates secret cooperation between Skopje and Washington on the Macedonia name dispute. The only negotiations permitted on the name issue are those being mediated by United Nations representative Matthew Nimetz, Greece’s Foreign Ministry spokes-man Giorgos Koumoutsakos said in reaction to a report in yesterday’s Ethnos exposing the alleged cooperation. The newspaper printed extracts from the document suggesting that Greece should be bypassed on the the issue of a supposed Macedonian identity and language. “The language and nationality would be called ‘Macedonian’ but this could be handled tacitly perhaps as an annex... or in some other internal UN document not subject to Greek review/approval,” the text reads. The document was reportedly sent from the US Embassy in Skopje to the US State Department in July, well before Nimetz made his proposal to envoys from Athens and Skopje earlier this month. Nimetz proposed that the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) be renamed the “Republic of Northern Macedonia.” According to sources, he also raised the issue of a supposed Macedonian language and identity, provoking the anger of Greece, which says it is groundless and has no place in the name talks. Neither side has provided any official response to the proposal yet, with both Athens and Skopje insisting that it should be subject to “several changes.” Reacting to the report yesterday, Koumoutsakos did not directly comment on any alleged cooperation between the USA and FYROM on the Macedonia name issue but reiterated Greece’s stance “which remains clear – a composite name with a geographical determination.” .....That just made official what we already knew...
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 20, 2008 13:26:58 GMT -5
and some more on this issue in Greek www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid=11378&subid=2&tag=8777&pubid=1746552Ïìïëïãïýí ôï «óôÞóéìï» ÇÐÁ, Íßìéôò ÅñùôçìáôéêÜ äçìéïõñãïýíôáé êáé ãéá ôç äéáðñáãìáôåõôéêÞ óôÜóç ôçò ÁèÞíáò, ìåôÜ ôçí áðïêÜëõøç ôïõ áðüññçôïõ ôçëåãñáöÞìáôïò ôçò áìåñéêáíéêÞò ðñåóâåßáò óôá Óêüðéá «E» 20/10 Êëõäùíéóìïýò óôç äéáäéêáóßá Íßìéôò êáé ðïëëÜ åñùôçìáôéêÜ ãéá ôç äéáðñáãìáôåõôéêÞ óôÜóç ôçò ßäéáò ôçò ÅëëÜäáò ðñïêáëåß ç áðïêÜëõøç ôïõ ÷èåóéíïý «Åèíïõò ôçò ÊõñéáêÞò», ç ïðïßá åðéâåâáéþèçêå áðü Áìåñéêáíïýò êáé Íßìéôò, üôé ï êïñìüò ôïõ ðåñßöçìïõ «ðáêÝôïõ éäåþí» ðïõ åìöÜíéóå óôéò 8 Ïêôùâñßïõ ï äéåèíÞò ìåóïëáâçôÞò åß÷å äéáìïñöùèåß áðü ôçí áìåñéêáíéêÞ ðñåóâåßá óôá Óêüðéá áðü ôéò 29 Éïõëßïõ. Ôï áðüññçôï ôçëåãñÜöçìá ôçò áìåñéêáíéêÞò ðñåóâåßáò óôá Óêüðéá, ðïõ áðïêáëýöèçêå ÷èåò, ðåñéãñÜöåé óõãêåêñéìÝíï ðëáßóéï ëýóçò ôïõ èÝìáôïò ôçò ïíïìáóßáò, ôï ïðïßï, óýìöùíá ìå ôéò åêôéìÞóåéò ôùí Áìåñéêáíþí, ìðïñåß íá ãßíåé áðïäåêôü áðü ôá Óêüðéá, ðáñÜ ôéò áíôéññÞóåéò ðïõ áñ÷éêþò èá åêöñáóèïýí. Ç áìåñéêáíéêÞ áõôÞ ðñüôáóç äéáôõðþèçêå Ýðåéôá áðü óõíïìéëßåò ðïõ åß÷å ç ôüôå Áìåñéêáíßäá ðñåóâåõôÞò ÌéëïâÜíïâéôò ìå ôïõò ê. Ãêñïýåöóêé êáé Ôóåñâåíêüöóêé. Ôï áìåñéêáíéêü ðáêÝôï ðñïÝâëåðå ôçí ïíïìáóßá «Äçìïêñáôßá ôçò Âüñåéáò Ìáêåäïíßáò», ìå ÷ñÞóç ìüíï óå äéåèíåßò ïñãáíéóìïýò êáé óôéò äéìåñåßò ó÷Ýóåéò ìå ôéò ÷þñåò ðïõ äåí åðéèõìïýí ôï óõíôáãìáôéêü üíïìá «Äçìïêñáôßá ôçò Ìáêåäïíßáò», åíþ åíôýðùóç ðñïêáëåß ç óõíåííüçóç ìå ôç óêïðéáíÞ çãåóßá þóôå íá ðåñÜóåé «óéùðçñÜ» ç áíáãíþñéóç «ìáêåäïíéêÞò» åèíéêüôçôáò êáé ãëþóóáò. ÕéïèÝôçóç Åßíáé ÷áñáêôçñéóôéêü üôé ç öüñìïõëá ðïõ ðñïôåßíåôáé (ç áíáãíþñéóç íá ãßíåé óå ÐáñÜñôçìá ôïõ øçößóìáôïò ôïõ ÓÁ ôïõ ÏÇÅ, ðïõ äåí õðüêåéôáé óôçí Ýãêñéóç ôçò ÅëëÜäáò), õéïèåôÞèçêå ðëÞñùò óôçí ðñüôáóç ôïõ ê. Íßìéôò ôçò 8çò Ïêôùâñßïõ!Ç áðïêÜëõøç ôïõ áðüññçôïõ ôçëåãñáöÞìáôïò ðëÞôôåé åõèÝùò ôçí áîéïðéóôßá ôïõ ê. Íßìéôò ùò «ïõäÝôåñïõ ìåóïëáâçôÞ», åðéâåâáéþíåé ôïí ñüëï ðïõ åß÷áí áíáëÜâåé Þäç ðñéí áðü ôï ÂïõêïõñÝóôé ïé Áìåñéêáíïß ðñïêåéìÝíïõ íá êëåßóåé Üñïí Üñïí ôï æÞôçìá êáé äçìéïõñãåß åñùôçìáôéêÜ ãéá üóïõò óôï åóùôåñéêü (êáé åíôüò ôçò êõâÝñíçóçò) åß÷áí óðåýóåé íá êáëùóïñßóïõí ôçí ðñüôáóç Íßìéôò, õðïâáèìßæïíôáò åðßìïíá ôá æçôÞìáôá ôïõ åýñïõò ÷ñÞóçò ôçò ïíïìáóßáò êáé êõñßùò ôçò «ìáêåäïíéêÞò» åèíéêüôçôáò. Áìåñéêáíïß êáé Íßìéôò äåí áñíÞèçêáí öõóéêÜ ôçí ýðáñîç ôïõ ôçëåãñáöÞìáôïò, åðéâåâáéþíïíôáò áðïëýôùò ôç «óõíåííüçóç» êáé ôï óôçìÝíï ðáé÷íßäé, áí êáé ìå áìÞ÷áíåò äéáôõðþóåéò åðå÷åßñçóáí íá ìåôñéÜóïõí ôéò áñíçôéêüôáôåò åíôõðþóåéò. Åêðñüóùðïò ôçò áìåñéêáíéêÞò ðñåóâåßáò óôçí ÁèÞíá óå äÞëùóÞ ôïõ óôç ÍÅÔ åðéóçìáßíåé üôé: «ïé ÇÐÁ õðïóôçñßæïõí ôç äéáäéêáóßá õðü ôçí áéãßäá ôïõ ÏÇÅ ãéá ôçí åðßôåõîç áìïéâáßá áðïäåêôÞò ëýóçò óôï èÝìá ôçò ïíïìáóßáò, ôï óõíôïìüôåñï äõíáôüí. Ïðùò êáé Üëëåò åíäéáöåñüìåíåò êõâåñíÞóåéò åíßïôå ðñïóöÝñïõìå ôéò ðáñáôçñÞóåéò ìáò óôïí ê. Íßìéôò êáôÜ ôç äéÜñêåéá ôçò äåêÜ÷ñïíçò èçôåßáò ôïõ. Äåí Ý÷ïõìå íá êÜíïõìå êáíÝíá ó÷üëéï ãéá ôç ãíçóéüôçôá Þ ïôéäÞðïôå Üëëï ó÷åôéêÜ ìå ôï Ýããñáöï ðïõ äçìïóéåýåôáé óÞìåñá óôï «Åèíïò ôçò ÊõñéáêÞò»».Ç äÞëùóç Ìå äÞëùóÞ ôïõ êáé ðÜëé óôç ÍÅÔ, åêðñüóùðïò ôïõ ê. Íßìéôò ôüíéóå: «...Ï ê. Íßìéôò äÝ÷åôáé âïÞèåéá áðü üëåò ôéò ðëåõñÝò ðïõ äåß÷íïõí åíäéáöÝñïí, áëëÜ äåí åñãÜæåôáé ãéá ôá óõìöÝñïíôá êÜðïéáò êõâÝñíçóçò ïýôå äÝ÷åôáé ïäçãßåò áðü êáìéÜ êõâÝñíçóç, êáèþò åßíáé áìåñüëçðôïò ìåóïëáâçôÞò...». ÅíäåéêôéêÞ ôùí ðñïâëçìÜôùí ðïõ äçìéïõñãåß êáé óôï åóùôåñéêü ôùí Óêïðßùí ç áðïêÜëõøç ôùí äéáâïõëåýóåùí ìå ôïõò Áìåñéêáíïýò êáé ôçò äéãëùóóßáò Ãêñïýåöóêé, åßíáé ç áíáêïßíùóç ôçò êõâÝñíçóçò ìå ôçí ïðïßá... äéáøåýäåé ôçí ýðáñîç «ìõóôéêïý ó÷åäßïõ» ãéá ôï èÝìá ôçò ïíïìáóßáò êáé êáëåß ôá ÌÌÅ íá «ìçí ðÝöôïõí èýìáôá åéêáóéþí ðïõ åîõðçñåôïýí äéÜöïñá óõìöÝñïíôá, êáé óôï ìÝëëïí íá æçôïýí ðëçñïöüñçóç ãéá ôá åõáßóèçôá æçôÞìáôá ôçò «ìáêåäïíéêÞò» ÷þñáò êáé Ýèíïõò áðü ôá áñìïäßá èåóìéêÜ üñãáíá ôïõ êñÜôïõò...»!ÅÑÙÔÇÌÁÔÉÊÁ ÃÉÁ ÔÇ ÄÉÁÐÑÁÃÌÁÔÅÕÔÉÊÇ ÓÔÁÓÇ Áðü êõâåñíçôéêÞò ðëåõñÜò äåí õðÞñîå êáìßá áíôßäñáóç, ìå åîáßñåóç ôçí áðÜíôçóç ôïõ åêðñüóùðïõ ôïõ ÕÐÅÎ Ã. ÊïõìïõôóÜêïõ óå åñþôçóç ðïõ ôïõ õðåâëÞèç áðü ôç ÍÅÔ, ï ïðïßïò ðåñéïñßóèçêå üìùò áðëþò óôçí åðáíÜëçøç ôçò åëëçíéêÞò èÝóçò: «Ç ÅëëÜäá Ý÷åé îåêÜèáñá äéáìçíýóåé: äåí íïåßôáé äéáðñáãìÜôåõóç åêôüò ðëáéóßïõ ôïõ ÏÇÅ êáé óôáèåñÞ èÝóç ìáò åßíáé óýíèåôç ïíïìáóßá ìå óáöÞ ãåùãñáöéêü ðñïóäéïñéóìü Ýíáíôé üëùí». Åê ôùí ðñáãìÜôùí, üìùò, äçìéïõñãïýíôáé ðïëëÜ åñùôçìáôéêÜ ãéá ôç ìÝ÷ñé ôþñá äéáðñáãìáôåõôéêÞ óôÜóç ôïõ õðïõñãåßïõ Åîùôåñéêþí (ìå ôç ãíùóôÞ ðëÝïí êáôÜëçîç), êáèþò ôéò óõíåííïÞóåéò ìå ôïõò Áìåñéêáíïýò åß÷å áíáëÜâåé ç ßäéá ç ê. ÌðáêïãéÜííç êáé èá ðñÝðåé íá äïèïýí áðáíôÞóåéò ãéá ôï áí ç ìåèüäåõóç áõôÞ Ýãéíå åí áãíïßá ôçò åëëçíéêÞò ðëåõñÜò Þ åß÷å äïèåß ðñÜóéíï öùò óôçí Üôõðç äéáìåóïëÜâçóç ôùí Áìåñéêáíþí. ÈÕÅËËÁ ÁÍÔÉÄÑÁÓÅÙÍ ÁÐÏ ÔÇÍ ÁÍÔÉÐÏËÉÔÅÕÓÇ ÐÁÓÏÊ: Áíáîéüðéóôïò ï ÌÜèéïõ Íßìéôò Éäéáßôåñá áé÷ìçñÞ Þôáí ç áíôßäñáóç ôïõ ðïëéôéêïý åêðñïóþðïõ ôïõ ÐÁÓÏÊ Á. ËïâÝñäïõ, ï ïðïßïò êÜëåóå ôçí êõâÝñíçóç íá æçôÞóåé åîçãÞóåéò áðü ôïí ê. Íßìéôò êáé åðÝìåéíå óôçí áíáëãÞ åðáíåîÝôáóç ôçò åèíéêÞò óôñáôçãéêÞò: «ÁõôÜ ôá ïðïßá åìåßò ïé Åëëçíåò ðéóôåýáìå ðùò ãßíïíôáí, äçëáäÞ ðùò ç êõñßá ÑÜéò êáé ïé óõíåñãÜôåò ôçò åðçñÝáæáí åõèÝùò ôéò ðñïôÜóåéò ôïõ ê. Íßìéôò, áðïäåß÷èçêáí ìå ôéò áðïêáëýøåéò ôïõ «Åèíïõò ôçò ÊõñéáêÞò». Ôþñá ðéá áðïôåëïýí áíáìöéóâÞôçôá ãåãïíüôá, ôá ïðïßá ðñïÝêõøáí ìå ôçí áíï÷Þ -áí ü÷é êáé ìå ôéò åõëïãßåò Ýùò åíüò ïñéóìÝíïõ óçìåßïõ- ôçò êõâÝñíçóçò», åðéóçìáßíåé ï ê. ËïâÝñäïò Ôï ÊÊÅ ìå áíáêïßíùóÞ ôïõ åðéóçìáßíåé üôé ïé áðïêáëýøåéò ôïõ «Åèíïõò ôçò ÊõñéáêÞò» «åðéâåâáéþíïõí ôçí ïñèüôçôá ôùí êáôáããåëéþí ôïõ ÊÊÅ ãéá ôïí ñüëï ôùí ÇÐÁ êáé ôçò ÅÅ óôá ÂáëêÜíéá óôçí êáôåýèõíóç äçìéïõñãßáò êñáôþí-ðñïôåêôïñÜôùí êáé åðéêñßíåé ôçí êõâÝñíçóç ðïõ áñêÝóèçêå óôï íá åðáíáëáìâÜíåé ôç èÝóç ôçò áíôß íá ðÜñåé óáöÞ èÝóç êáé íá êáôáäéêÜóåé ôéò ìåèïäåýóåéò ôùí ÇÐÁ. Áí ç êõâÝñíçóç äåí ôï ðñÜîåé, óçìáßíåé üôé Þôáí óå ãíþóç ôçò», åðéóçìáßíåé ç áíáêïßíùóç ôïõ ÊÊÅ. Áðü ôïí ÓÕÍ ï Ã. ÌðáëÜöáò ôüíéóå üôé ç áðïêÜëõøç ôçò ðñï ôñéìÞíïõ ðáñÝìâáóçò ôùí ÇÐÁ, Ýîù êáé ðÜíù áðü ôï äéáðñáãìáôåõôéêü ðëáßóéï ôïõ ÏÇÅ, ãåííÜ ðïëëÜ åñùôçìáôéêÜ êáé áíçóõ÷ßåò ôüóï ãéá ôçí ðïñåßá ôùí áíáãêáßùí äéáðñáãìáôåýóåùí üóï êáé ãéá ôá ãåíéêüôåñá ó÷Ýäéá ôùí ÇÐÁ óôçí ðïëýðáèç ðåñéï÷Þ ôùí Âáëêáíßùí. Ï ËÁÏÓ ìå áíáêïßíùóç ôïõ õðåíèõìßæåé üôé Ý÷åé êáôáããåßëåé áðü ðÝñõóé óôç ÂïõëÞ ôïí «õðüãåéï ñüëï» ôïõ ê. Íßìéôò. «Ï äéáìåóïëáâçôÞò ëåéôïõñãåß âÜóåé ôùí ïäçãéþí ðïõ ðáßñíåé áðü ôïõò Áìåñéêáíïýò. Åßíáé ôñáãéêü ç ê. ÌðáêïãéÜííç íá ìçí Ý÷åé áíôéëçöèåß ôüóï êáéñü ôïí ñüëï ôïõ. Åëðßæïõìå üôé ç êõâÝñíçóç Ýðåéôá áðü áõôü èá óïâáñåõôåß êáé èá óôáìáôÞóåé ðÜñáõôá ôéò äéáðñáãìáôåýóåéò», åðéóçìáßíåé ï ËÁÏÓ.
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 1, 2008 20:11:58 GMT -5
FYROM gets EU name prod
The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) is not ready to start accession talks with the European Union, according to a European Commission report which calls on Skopje to be more cooperative in its name talks with Greece.
The conclusions of the EU executive’s report, to be released officially next week, came as no surprise as EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn had warned Skopje that it had not carried out enough reforms to become a candidate member state.
The report also indirectly refers to the name dispute, sources revealed yesterday. It calls on authorities in Skopje to “avoid actions that could have a negative influence on good-neighborly relations” – a clear reference to the country’s intransigent stance in United Nations-mediated negotiations with Greece. However the report clarifies that the name spat is not the reason for the postponement of Skopje’s bid to join the EU. Inadequate implementation of EU-oriented reforms is cited as the chief problem.
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 1, 2008 21:20:02 GMT -5
(rant on)
This name spat is going on too much..and too long now... That other offending countries in the Balkans are getting away with problems they wouldn't have dreamed of if this stooopit Fyromian thing wasn't going on.
For example during the Nato enlargement meetings Greece pointed out that they won't let Fyrom join unless it changes it's name... and at the same time said that we do not have any problems with Albania joining and to show our goodwill ... we helped vote them in.... This is extreme bullchit... if Fyrom wasn't in the way we could have shown our true dissatisfaction with Albania's policies and vetoed them out.... They have been sticking it to us for ever.... now we had our chance and we blew it for those fuggin vampires the Fyromians...
Hopefully when it comes to the EU. we will put our foot down.
This does not change my position in believing that Greece should recognize Kosovo.... cause those people are in a different mindset all together and haven't really done anything against us.
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 1, 2008 21:54:44 GMT -5
^ They are out of the E.U for a long time or for good, rest assured, they won’t survive as another countries puppet state for much longer. They have lost the name battle, and are too shamed to admit it. It'll be decades before we see anytyhing good comming from them. Albania should go into the E.U. I support Albania's bid for E.U .
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Post by Kassandros on Nov 2, 2008 5:22:44 GMT -5
Kanari that the problem. If your external policy keeps dealing with such issues you dont have the time and strength to deal with more serious issues. I believe that is the problem and that is why Turkey helps Fyrom on their cause. More Greek strenght to name issue means.. less Greek strength to Cyprous issue etc
That is the bad thing. Greece will win the name issue but... we will be fool of mud since we fought with the big inside the mud..
For example, nationalism in Greece was no more than 2% in elections. Now its more than 5%. Thats a stepback for our society and that is how things are when you face backward countries. You go stepback in order to deal with them and they hold your intelectual progress back.
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