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Post by albquietman on Sept 21, 2008 23:55:57 GMT -5
Teuta, I don't know any illyrian alphabet as I said, but I found something that claims to be so: I'm not sure if it is really as it claims to be, but it makes sense what you said. The illyrians kingdoms have communicated in in some way in their language with the average illyrian that didn't speak greek or latin...and that was illyrian, and since it was a language, it should had its own alphabet that was lost in time for some reason...that's my guess.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Sept 21, 2008 23:59:49 GMT -5
That's your guess Dear...but Greeks want proves...since we don't have any, we are all Greeks, including Kanaris and Rex.... ;D I have showed it before: Kanaris & Rex...also Albs and Greeks in this forum PS: I have seen that alphabet too, but I haven't encountered it in any serious website as to claim it...
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Post by albquietman on Sept 22, 2008 0:17:17 GMT -5
If we are all greeks, let it be, I don't think I would care if being greek means to be human
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Post by libofsha on Sept 22, 2008 8:26:17 GMT -5
what's with this retarted premise? Alexander the great and nationality....there was no nationalities then
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 22, 2008 11:19:37 GMT -5
Right. And even if there were....he would clearly be Greek and surely not Fyromian. Ridiculous...
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Post by libofsha on Sept 22, 2008 11:31:21 GMT -5
he was most likely a greek speaking macedon, macedonians were a mixture of hellenic/illyrian/thracian stock, alexander regarded himself as macedonian(the actual ones) and i will refer to him as that, he spoke greek, wrote greek, was educated in greek....but he was a macedonian, with heavy hellenic influence no doubt, but then again at that time the whole region was, but he remains a macedon, so everyone just fuking drop it! his mother was illyrian but that doesn't mean we stake claim to him, that's just stupid.
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Post by Niklianos on Sept 22, 2008 12:59:20 GMT -5
Actually Alquietman your premise is poorly supported. Not every language in the world has a written form. Infact for the majority of human society most languages were never written down. A great example from the Balkans in the Thracian language. We all know the Thracians existed and had their own language but it is also a proven fact that until the Greek colonies appeared along the western Black Sea they had no written language. They did however after that time have a written language. This written language though was not their own, at least not the letters. They used their spoken language but wrote in Greek. So to assume that Illyrians had a spoken language would be wrong logically.
Teuta,
to this day there is no known Illyrian Alphabet or language. We do know that Illyrian was different from Greek, but it may have been distantly related. Many of the Mythologies and names are very similar.
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Post by Niklianos on Sept 22, 2008 13:07:22 GMT -5
Teuta, I don't know any illyrian alphabet as I said, but I found something that claims to be so: I'm not sure if it is really as it claims to be, but it makes sense what you said. The illyrians kingdoms have communicated in in some way in their language with the average illyrian that didn't speak greek or latin...and that was illyrian, and since it was a language, it should had its own alphabet that was lost in time for some reason...that's my guess. If you notice the name above the Literary Illyricum Inventor you will see that it states Saint Heronymus otherwise known as St Jerome. He was born around the mid 4th century A.C.E and died around 420 A.C.E. He was born along the Dalmatian coast. Some think he may have been of Illyrian descent even though his name is Greek.(But that doesn't mean he was Greek since he studied the Bible and obviously knew Greek). So if he was Illyrian one would think that he would have known an older version of an Illyrian Alphabet. But there is no evidence that he did or that there ever was one.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Sept 22, 2008 15:30:30 GMT -5
he was most likely a greek speaking macedon, macedonians were a mixture of hellenic/illyrian/thracian stock, alexander regarded himself as macedonian(the actual ones) and i will refer to him as that, he spoke greek, wrote greek, was educated in greek....but he was a macedonian, with heavy hellenic influence no doubt, but then again at that time the whole region was, but he remains a macedon, so everyone just fuking drop it! his mother was illyrian but that doesn't mean we stake claim to him, that's just stupid. Libo, His mother was not Illyrian. She was a Greek from Epirus. I have a very recent publication from OXFORD UNIVERSITY one of the most prestigious universities in the world that will support my claim. These are not hard things to find. Where do people come up with stuff like, Alexanders mother was Illyrian??? That blows my mind because it is so far from the truth. You dont stake a claim to him as an Albanian because no serious scholars even momentarily consider Alexander the Great to be Illyrian or Albanian or whatever. Any who do use rhetoric and twist the words of history to suit what they want to prove. The only reason I think this is done with the Macedonians is because they are a border dwelling tribe of Ancient Greece not in the heartland of the Peloponesus. Why do you think nobody ever tries to distort the history of the Athenians, or the Spartans, or the Thebans, or etc.... I think it is probably because they are in the heartland of ancient Greece and it would be extremely unreasonable for someone from an outside country to stake a claim to the ancient history of those people unless they are GREEKS. However the people who do try and stake a claim to our heritage our rats, and thieves who hate us who reside at the borders of Greece. Their countries, are, needless to say not in such a good position and have never really held positions of prominence on the world scene. Their only chance at improving their self esteems is usurping Greek history which makes me sick. Yes Libo I think we should all just drop this topic. If people were honest and not liars we would be fine, but just a simple statement from you saying Alexanders mother was Illyrian is false. I will never drop it when someone distorts my peoples history. Their are many other Greeks who feel the same way that I do. Best, Panagiotopoulos
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Sept 22, 2008 15:38:49 GMT -5
Oxford University Press
"Alexanders father was said to have fought his wars by marriages- in all he notched up seven wives, several of them concurrently. A special position was occupied by his GREEK WIFE OLYMPIAS, who gave birth to his heir apparent, Alexander in 356." This quote is located on page 191 of a book called "Ancient Greece." It is from Cambridge Illustrated History. It is a very good book and I have great faith that the scholars from Cambridge University know what they are talking about. Is anyone familiar with Cambridge University? If your not you should know that it is one of the top universities in the world. Please be careful when speaking about my heritage and acting like you know what you are talking about. Trust us, we know more about our history than you know about our history. THANKS!
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Post by ilirdardani on Sept 22, 2008 15:59:08 GMT -5
One thing to note here guys is that Ancient Macedonians were as much Greek as the Illyrians were. You get what I'm saying right?
Aleksandr was not Greek, even though he spoke Greek, that was the language to be spoken at that time just like English is today. Now say for example if after a thousand years, the Americans (or British people for this matter) start claiming well known scientists, doctors, etc just because they spoke english during their work, etc. It's absurd to even think about it, but you guys claim he's Greek just because he spoke Greek.
As for you panagiotopoulos, if you knew your history so well you would know that the Albanian people are just as part of Greek history as you own Greek people. From the ancient times, up to building the modern Greek state.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Sept 22, 2008 16:59:23 GMT -5
One thing to note here guys is that Ancient Macedonians were as much Greek as the Illyrians were. You get what I'm saying right? Aleksandr was not Greek, even though he spoke Greek, that was the language to be spoken at that time just like English is today. Now say for example if after a thousand years, the Americans (or British people for this matter) start claiming well known scientists, doctors, etc just because they spoke english during their work, etc. It's absurd to even think about it, but you guys claim he's Greek just because he spoke Greek. As for you panagiotopoulos, if you knew your history so well you would know that the Albanian people are just as part of Greek history as you own Greek people. From the ancient times, up to building the modern Greek state. Elaborate for me? I simply was providing evidence that Olympias was not Illyrian. How do I not know my history now? It is offensive when a foreign nation tries to take credit for my peoples accomplishments. Now what does an Albanian have to do with anything Greek? Were talking about Greek Makedonian history and its falsification? I mean what kind of pathetic person do you have to be to even try to take credit for the emergence of the modern Greek nation? Ilir I thought you were different and you seemed alright but your suspect now. You and the Fyromians need to back off of our Greek heritage. By the way for your info.... I just pulled that Cambridge Illustrated History of Ancient Greece book back out... out of 380 pages their is not one single mention of an Illyrian or an Albanian! Why do you suppose that is? Do not ask me for an answer. Form your own conclusion if you dare to question your propaganda. My goal here is not to crush your self esteem but your certainly not going to feel better about yourself at the expense of the Greek people. The same goes for the Fyromians who try to usurp our history as well.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Sept 22, 2008 17:17:10 GMT -5
ALEXANDER THE GREAT AND THE MAKEDONIANS WERE NOTHING BUT GREEKS.
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 22, 2008 17:33:39 GMT -5
Alexander the Great was Greek and only Greek, no albanian, no bulgarian.
Spare us your theories of english as world wide spoken language....none who speaks English except the English themselves feel English. Get that into your little backward brains.
Ti dialo chrostame Thee mou kai mas edoses tetoious geitones...ta apowrasmata tis Europis...
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 22, 2008 17:35:42 GMT -5
His official title
Ἀλέξανδρος ὁ Μέγας (Γ' ὁ Ἕλλην Μακεδών) Aléxandros ho Mégas (Trítos ho Hellēn Makedōn)
Dont dare to ever question his Greekness again...worms.
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Post by adolfmussolini on Sept 22, 2008 18:14:35 GMT -5
AlbQ, I have a reason for asking...allow me some syllogisms now...since there is no Illyrian alphabet (even though it seems impossible Teuta the Queen never to have sent messages in written and she seems to have conducted piratery with some people who couldn't write - presumably couldn't count when trading) I am assuming Illyrians are Romans, since if one digs in Durres or Shkodra, one finds many Latin and Greek scripts...therefore, if according to this logic Illyrians were Romans or Greeks (some claim slavs after the Byzant and the Glagolitic alphabet), then Macedonians may have been Greeks since Greek scripts are found in Pellas... You are ASSuming you're right. Ancient Macedonians were Greek, not Serb, Bulgarian like they are now. Albanians direct from Illyrians Roman and Greek were back then what English is today. They speak English in Ireland they're still Irish
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Sept 22, 2008 18:15:07 GMT -5
^^^^ Thank you!!!! Now only if we could get more Albanians to jump on this train.
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Post by adolfmussolini on Sept 22, 2008 18:17:20 GMT -5
Alexander the Great was half Illyrian at best, I hate Greece but hate slaves even more. I wish I could take over all of their lands and impregnenate all their hot bitches and make them give birth to Albanian nationalists LOL
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Sept 22, 2008 18:27:06 GMT -5
Alexanders father Philip was half Macedonian half Illyrian Alexanders mother was fully Epirote Alexander therefore was 50% Epirote 25% Illyrian 25% Macedonian Epirote = Tosk Albanian Illyrian = Geg Albanian Macedonian = Dorian Hellen Any other questions? "Demosthenes (384-322) called him a 'barbarian', a non-Greek speaker... Phillip the Great was perfectly capable of conversing in standard Greek, even though the local Macedonian dialect was so interladed with non-Greek (esp. Illyrian) linguistic forms that it would be unintelligible to standard Greek speakers." Sir William Woodthorpe Tarn, of the British Academy, regarded worldwide as having written the definitive work on Alexander the Great, states in the opening paragraph of his book Alexander the Great that "Alexander certainly had from his father (Philip II) and probably from his mother (Olymbia) Illyrian, i.e. Albanian, blood!"* www.illyrian.net/index.php/history/25-the-illyrians/14-alexander-the-great-illyrian
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Sept 22, 2008 19:05:19 GMT -5
^^^^ Hey f**k nut did you happen to see the QUOTE that I took straight from a book FROM OXFORD UNIVERSITY OXFORD UNIVERSITY OXFORD UNIVERSITY OXFORD UNIVERSITY OXFORD UNIVERSITY OXFORD UNIVERSITY OXFORD UNIVERSITY OXFORD UNIVERSITY OXFORD UNIVERSITY OXFORD UNIVERSITY OXFORD UNIVERSITY OXFORD UNIVERSITY OXFORD UNIVERSITY OXFORD UNIVERSITY OXFORD UNIVERSITY OXFORD UNIVERSITY??? Did that get your attention or do you refuse to see the truth? Instead you come here with " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.illyrian.net/index.php/histor....-great-illyrian? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! Let me repost the quote from OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS!!!!! PAY ATTENTION!!!! "Alexanders father was said to have fought his wars by marriages- in all he notched up seven wives, several of them concurrently. A special position was occupied by his GREEK WIFE OLYMPIAS, who gave birth to his heir apparent, Alexander in 356."This quote is located on page 191 of a book called "Ancient Greece." It is from Cambridge Illustrated History. It is a very good book and I have great faith that the scholars from Cambridge University know what they are talking about. Is anyone familiar with Cambridge University? If your not you should know that it is one of the top universities in the world. Please be careful when speaking about my heritage and acting like you know what you are talking about. Trust us, we know more about our history than you know about our history. THANKS! It is conclusive and without a doubt that if we look at historical evidence that Alexander the Great was a Greek as well as the Makedonians. Yes they lived with Illyrians and Thracians but they were our slaves that we ruled over. Do not mix this up. It would be the same scenario if blacks in the United States one thousand years from now claimed that George Washington was black and that the original founding fathers of the United States were all Africans. Understand?
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