Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 13, 2008 10:59:39 GMT -5
stop being irrelevant and concentrate to what you write and what they answer to you. dont get carried away to fictious worlds.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 13, 2008 11:02:28 GMT -5
just tell me where to send my money for the great serb cause ?
[whats wrong ,,cant get any alb action in sf ..you wont ! ]
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 14, 2008 0:55:55 GMT -5
"history after Tito's death speaks for itself ..." Again another smart a** comment from this bozo. Tell me, 10 years has passed for regional kosovo to develop without direct serbian administration....l notice drugs, prostitution, fuel smuggling etc...is big business down in that sespool, what has sejdiu and thaci come up with to tackle these serious problems?. I wonder what made Tito bring in more Albanians after WW2, did Enver Hoxja promise him something?......Enver Hoxha did write something about Josip Broz in his memoirs I know exactly why Albanians loved Josip Broz so much
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 14, 2008 0:58:58 GMT -5
"Novi, when speaking about Russian intervention for a Greater Bulgaria (which is bollocks, what was stated in the short-lasting San-Stefano treaty were territories inhabited by Bulgarians mainly, like it or not) would you be so kind to explain me in a few words how did Serbia gain her freedom and what was the Russian involvement in this process? And if Russia helped you, why do you moan she helped Bulgaria as well? Eh?
As for Vardar - the Ottomans didn't allow Bulgarians to enter Vardar. The region was inhabited by Bulgarians (alongside Greeks, Vlahs, Albanians and small number of Serbs) and they started their own struggle. You are talking bullcrap here. There was no Bulgaria at that time and it was all Turkish territory."
Ruse, your a good bloke and l really don't won't to get into it in detail this time but all l will say is that you guys had a great chance to have the seat of orthodoxy but blew it with a deal with the Ottomans!.
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Post by rusebg on Sept 14, 2008 5:51:48 GMT -5
I have no idea where you get this info from, but it is something I hear for the first time. Care to elaborate more? Because from what I know, after the establishment of the Bulgarian exarchate in 1870, it was proclaimed schismatic from the Patriarchate in Constantinople and that lasted shortly after WWII. In this aspect it is hard for me to figure out how we could have become the seat of orthodoxy.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 14, 2008 6:57:58 GMT -5
^ I won't bro, l'll just leave it at that.
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 14, 2008 7:33:10 GMT -5
Wasn't Vardar aka Fyrom referred to as 'Turkish Serbia' during the ottoman occupation ?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 14, 2008 7:34:42 GMT -5
^ yes.
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 14, 2008 7:36:47 GMT -5
Very, very interesting. I shall study this little known part of history in order to rip them up. Thanks Novi !
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 14, 2008 7:48:40 GMT -5
^ they are already ripped up ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by rex362 on Sept 14, 2008 14:52:58 GMT -5
Bozo will tell ya I wonder what made Tito bring in more Albanians after WW2,still playing this old card of propagandistic proportion ....the only Albs that came might of been a few teachers from Albania ....we had schools all of a sudden ... ;D serbian line was "better off give the Kosovars the A bomb then give em schools" did Enver Hoxja promise him something?......Enver Hoxha did write something about Josip Broz in his memoirs
NO it was the other way around ....Tito promised Enver ... See when J.Tito was the leader of the Yugosalvian Partisans he needed more man power bcs serbs were undermining the cause/sabotaging so he had Albania send him 10,000 in uniform and armed ... [Many of these Albanian Partisans including Albanians from Kosova Macedonia and Montenegro were killed/murdered by serbians than by Germans.. ..serbian cetnik pastime favorite is locking the doors and burning em down when they are asleep and then as they come crashing through windows shoot em down like fish in barrel ] the word is something about Tito giving back Kosova to Albania ....but politics and communism happened and also Stalin whispering something into Hodxha ear and that promise was stopped ... I know exactly why Albanians loved Josip Broz so much he kept equality rolling ....all ethnicities even Gypsies had a fair shake ... we still have his pic hanging on walls....serbians took the pictures off their walls approximately 2.3 seconds after his death ... ............... suck bozo's ...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 14, 2008 23:12:17 GMT -5
^ l'm not even going to waste my time to elaborate.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 14, 2008 23:27:13 GMT -5
I kind of can't be bothered to expand for you regarding turkish serbia but l will say that the districts south of the border of liberated Serbia were long known as "Turkish Serbia." I'll give you a couple of examples to illustrate my reasoning, the appellation "macedonia" was confined to the area of Salonica. Von Stieler released a pocket atlas in the year 1832, on this map the frontiers of liberated Serbia are shown, while south of this liberated area, even including Sofia and Ihtiman, is designated as "Turkish Serbia". A chap by the name of H.Kiepert had a map, dated from 1853, showed that the name Macedonia is given to the district around Salonica, the same also appeared in H.Berghaus and R.Stulpnagel's map of "Map of European Turkey" in 1856.
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Sept 14, 2008 23:35:28 GMT -5
I wonder what made Tito bring in more Albanians after WW2, did Enver Hoxja promise him something?......Enver Hoxha did write something about Josip Broz in his memoirs I can't speak for the Albanians who lived in Yugoslavia but there was surely no love coming from the other side of the border. Hoxha realized soon after WWI that Tito had "grand plans" for Albania as Yugoslavia's 7th republic so he made sure that he systematically broke all ties with them over a period of 4 years until 1949. Here's a Wiki excerpt: Tito's position on Albania was that it was too weak to stand on its own, and would do better as a part of Yugoslavia. Hoxha alleged that Tito had made it his goal to get Albania into Yugoslavia, firstly by creating the Treaty of Friendship, Co-operation and Mutual Aid in 1946. Although it was seen as beneficial to both sides, over time Albania began to feel that it was heavily sided towards Yugoslav interests, much like the Italian agreements with Albania under Zog that made the nation dependent upon Italy. The first issue was that the Albanian lek became revalued in terms of the Yugoslav dinar as a customs union was formed and Albania's economic plan was decided more by Yugoslavia.[9] Albanian economists H. Banja and V. Toci stated that: “ ...Albania didn't need to create its national industry, but should limit her production to agricultural and mineral raw materials, which were to be sent for industrial processing to Yugoslavia. In other words, they wanted the Albanian economy to be a mere appendage of the Yugoslav economy.” - Economists H. Banja and V. Toci[10] Hoxha then began to accuse Yugoslavia of misconduct. “ We [Albania] were expected to produce for the Yugoslav's all the raw materials which they needed. These raw materials were to be exported to the metropolis Yugoslavia to be processed there in Yugoslav factories. The same applied to the production of cotton and other industrial crops, as well as oil, bitumen, asphalt, chrome, etc. Yugoslavia would supply its 'colony', Albania, with exorbitantly priced consumer goods, including even items such as needles and thread, and would provide us with petrol and oil, as well as glass for the lamps in which we burn the fuel extracted from our subsoil, processed in Yugoslavia and sold to us at high prices.... The aim of the Yugoslav's was, therefore, to prevent our country from developing either its industry or its working class, and to make it forever dependent on Yugoslavia.” - Enver Hoxha[11] Joseph Stalin gave advice to Hoxha and stated that Yugoslavia was attempting to annex Albania. "We did not know that the Yugoslav's, under the pretext of 'defending' your country against an attack from the Greek fascists, wanted to bring units of their army into the PRA [People's Republic of Albania]. They tried to do this in a very secret manner. In reality, their aim in this direction was utterly hostile, for they intended to overturn the situation in Albania."[12] By June of 1947, the Central Committee of Yugoslavia began publically condemning Hoxha, accusing him of talking an individualistic and anti-Marxist line. When Albania responded by making agreements with the Soviet Union to purchase a supply of agricultural machinery, Yugoslavia said that Albania could not enter into any agreements with other countries without Yugoslav approval. Koçi Xoxe tried to stop Hoxha from improving relations with Bulgaria, reasoning that Albania will be more stable with one trading partner rather than many. Nako Spiru, an anti-Yugoslav member of the Party, condemned Xoxe and Xoxe condemned him. With no one coming to Spiru's defense, he viewed the situation as hopeless and that Yugoslav domination of his nation was imminent, causing him to commit suicide in November. In the Eighth Plenum of the Central Committee of the Party which lasted from February 26-March 8, 1948, Xoxe was implicated in a plot to isolate Hoxha and consolidate his [Xoxe's] own power. He accused Hoxha of being responsible for the decline in relations with Yugoslavia, and that a Soviet military mission be expelled in favor of a Yugoslav counterpart. Hoxha managed to remain firm and his support had not declined. When Yugoslavia publically broke with the Soviet Union, Hoxha's support base grew stronger and on July 1, Tiranë called on all Yugoslav technical advisors to leave the country and unilaterally declared all treaties and agreements null and void. Xoxe was expelled from the party and on June 13, 1949 he was executed by a firing squad.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Sept 15, 2008 7:47:36 GMT -5
Nikoliæ bravo pou pernis thesi yper ton servon alla ti doulia exoun oi servoi me tous koloskopianous den to katalaveno pantos to ena einai sigouro oti etsi opos epraksan oi papoudes mas kai oi propapoudes etsi kai emis oi epomenes genees tha agonistoume oste aytos o topos pou legetai makedonia na einai panta ellinikos kai oi slavoi na mas kanoun tin xari kai na minoun sta dika tous ta meri tous.
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 15, 2008 8:01:01 GMT -5
"alla ti doulia exoun oi servoi me tous koloskopianous den to katalaveno"
"kai oi slavoi na mas kanoun tin xari "
Ta eipes monos sou!
BTW, Karta, ta analyw se alla posts (opws p.x. auto me ton kako slavo to nimitz) , katse diabase ta. Mas gamane oi amerikanoi, alla panta oi slavoi ftaine...
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