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Post by Kassandros on Jun 11, 2008 13:54:17 GMT -5
www.mia.com.mk/portal/page?_pageid=113,166290&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL&VestID=48098795&prikaz=3 Cornerstone on construction of museum complex "Macedonian Struggle" laid -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skopje, June 11 (MIA) - Responsibility to the past and the future are the basic motives for construction of museum complex "Macedonian Struggle", uniting the VMRO Museum and Museum on Communism Victims, which cornerstone was laid Wednesday in Skopje center. The Government allocated Denar 9 million (Euro 150,000) for the project, due to be completed in 14 months. According to Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski, the museum complex should represent a bridge between Macedonia's glorious past and the future optimism, commitment and progress. PM Gruevski said museum complex "Macedonian Struggle" would represent a symbol on the aspiration of the Macedonian people for freedom, its collective zeal for an independent and democratic state, its national and state identity. "It is our obligation and duty to express our gratitude to all those who sacrificed themselves for these ideals, and wish them eternal glory", he added. Gruevski stressed the items displayed in the museum complex would represent the historic turmoils and golgotha of the Macedonian people in realizing its vision of freedom, as well as resistance against the communist dictatorship, and the firm determination for democratic values and ideals. State Secretary in the Ministry of Culture, Elizabeta Kanceska-Milevska said the project represented a moral duty and debt of the current Macedonian generation and state authorities in paying respect and recognition to all those who gave their lives for independent and sovereign Republic of Macedonia. ik/fd/15:12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- When stupidity reaches hight levels.... this is the outcome. There is already a Museum of Macedonian Struggle in Thessaloniki since 1981. www.macedonian-heritage.gr/Museums/History_And_War/Mma_Thessalonikhs.htmlNow they built the Museum of Macedonian Struggle..No 2! lol lol ;D ;D OMG...how these retards gonna create and move forward their country?! lol lol ;D ;D Whats next? Are they gonna create ....Thessaloniki No2 ?! lol ;D Are they gonna name lake Ohrid as Aegean No2?! lol lol ;D God helps them.... lol lol ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Toskaliku on Jun 11, 2008 13:59:35 GMT -5
So, many nations have museums on the issue of their national struggle. Macedonia deserves one as well.
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 11, 2008 14:04:24 GMT -5
Please tell us what is this supposed national struggle? To be recognized by a name they have no connection to?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 11, 2008 14:13:41 GMT -5
Toskali "So, many nations have museums on the issue of their national struggle. Macedonia deserves one as well." ----------------------------------------------------- Who said not for ONE? Its the No2! dude....and with EXACTLY the same name! lol lol Its like leaving the "day of Marmota". Its like leaving a parallel life! lol lol They really are psychos I believe. They want to live through my life. They are somethng like a bug..... that sticks to your body for ever.. lol lol Macedonians already have their museum in their capital. Open the link I gave you to see it.
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Post by Toskaliku on Jun 11, 2008 14:22:01 GMT -5
Check out the museum and you might learn what? Apparently its their first one. Going by the news at least.
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 11, 2008 14:24:27 GMT -5
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Post by Toskaliku on Jun 11, 2008 14:38:42 GMT -5
Thats Greece... Its one side of the argument.
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 11, 2008 14:50:54 GMT -5
So now..... do you find it outrageous that Greece wants Fyrom to use different name than the "Macedonia" simple.........?
You saw with your own eyes what kind of misunderstadings happen. Do you find it weird the Greek governmet to ask from the Fyromian goverment to choose a different name... than baptizing everything happens into their country as No2 and make people around the world feel dizzy ?
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Post by Panos on Jun 12, 2008 2:27:03 GMT -5
I am so glad LA.O.S will never get into power in Greece, because this is the kind of stupidity we would have to deal with.
I hope Greece does not get trapped in the game that Novamacedonia is playing, which is; we provoke you, you provoke us, we go one more, you go one more... etc. In the long run these games will cost Novamacedonia as there is no alternative future for them but the EU and NATO. If they resist compromise sure, they will still have the name, but the economy will suffer and they will be politically isolated. Then the citizens will elect a party that is not run by a slobbering dauphin.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 12, 2008 3:42:16 GMT -5
Athens must stay the course By Stavros Lygeros The election reruns in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) will take place on Sunday but the balance of power in parliament will only be slightly, if at all, affected. The fact that the USA wants to bring FYROM into NATO as soon as possible is a motive that can help UN special mediator Matthew Nimetz’s task over the name dispute. Athens is not the biggest obstacle. Although it has the political advantage, it has already accepted an equitable settlement. The same, however, cannot be said of FYROM President Nikola Gruevski. Some argue that he will abandon his hard-line nationalist stance, but nothing is certain. For the time being, he is not backing down and is even insisting that he will, if pushed, put the issue to a referendum. If the West puts too much pressure on him, he may try to torpedo the entire mediation process. Greece need not be concerned by such an outcome. It also has no reason to be in any rush nor to stall for time. The ball is in Skopje’s court. The true dilemma for the people of FYROM is clear: on the one hand is their constitutional name and visions of a “Greater Macedonia” and, on the other, lie the very tangible benefits of EU and NATO accession. This dilemma will become even harder if the EU ceases accession talks. Athens, meanwhile, would like to see a solution, but this does not lie in its hands. It cannot back down from its stance so far. The most likely scenario is that the deadlock will continue. On a practical level, this means that Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis will be forced to stop accession talks with FYROM from taking place. Any change in his stance from Bucharest would be a contradiction. Under these conditions, the Macedonia debate is something of a luxury in strategic terms, and one that may cost FYROM dearly. This does not mean that they will change course; the most likely scenario is that they will keep marching toward the edge of the cliff. When politics is so deeply influenced by nationalist fantasies, the grasp on reality is lost.www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_columns_100020_12/06/2008_97614
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 12, 2008 5:13:45 GMT -5
I am so glad LA.O.S will never get into power in Greece, because this is the kind of stupidity we would have to deal with. I hope Greece does not get trapped in the game that Novamacedonia is playing, which is; we provoke you, you provoke us, we go one more, you go one more... etc. In the long run these games will cost Novamacedonia as there is no alternative future for them but the EU and NATO. If they resist compromise sure, they will still have the name, but the economy will suffer and they will be politically isolated. Then the citizens will elect a party that is not run by a slobbering dauphin. Yes, we must all restrain from micropolitics that will damage the relations with our neighbors. The fyromaks are acting crazy. Somebody fuels them with hatred. But we are no different either. Regarding what you say about fyrom's future in NATO, EU, their *ONLY* future is in yugoslavia and in case you dont remember, during her existence there was no "FYROM" problem. Very simple.
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Post by jerryspringer on Jun 12, 2008 10:21:17 GMT -5
Melty, you study history because you love meditating on the past, but I want to ask you: do historians follow code of ethics? Do you? How do you respond to those who consciously try to falsify history?
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Post by Toskaliku on Jun 12, 2008 18:19:35 GMT -5
People will be people. You cant do anything about it really, nor do I waste my time trying to constantly say "this is wrong and that". It happens very often that some of my friends make some kind of incorrect statement about a historical event or interpret it the wrong way, I often dont waste my time responding. It gets on people's nerves and you lose the interest yourself. I just worry about the stuff that comes out of my mouth or is typed on a page that is to be reviewed.
Yea, atleast from what I have seen, keep emotion outside of your studies. This goes as far back as the Greek historian Polybius. Its one of my codes when I write a paper for presentation.
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Post by jerryspringer on Jun 14, 2008 8:07:15 GMT -5
Okay, so you do have a code of conduct to follow, much like the medics have. So follow it.
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