Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Apr 15, 2008 21:46:24 GMT -5
^ Funny thing is they say it with a straight face.
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 15, 2008 22:07:48 GMT -5
That's what communists do best. Enver Hoxa was one classic communist dictator and brain washer just like Marshal Tito.
I'm glad we never had a communist regime in Greece.
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Post by atlantis on Apr 15, 2008 22:39:04 GMT -5
Yeah sure they were the best..... ... in scaling walls to kill Greeks.... We never killed greeks ..... Albanian killed albanians... .the rest were just spectators in Balkan Pensinula...... Julius is right Turks never liked albanians...Gjergj Kastrioti worked for them in the beginning and after became in his own Ali Pasha was a real albanian , a Turkish made General but after sad bye to Turks. Not only turks but Italians had a phrase "Tutto Albanese ,Tutto Comander " Bismark was saying Albans are really creazy,all of them want to be commander,we must dessapear this nation, to be in peace. However he was wrong, a commander cannot die.... he is a hero and he always will be a leader, a great one ....albanians are borned heroes and commanders I'll start again with books and the best writers about albanians...
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Post by atlantis on Apr 15, 2008 22:45:12 GMT -5
That's what communists do best. Enver Hoxa was one classic communist dictator and brain washer just like Marshal Tito. I'm glad we never had a communist regime in Greece. Comunism and Enver Hoxha was the worst and a big prevent for Albanian Culture Rise ...was more about Greece political help.... if we were in democracy could be no Greece.....
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Post by julius on Apr 16, 2008 15:51:01 GMT -5
Also, albs generally are hard to command. That’s why turks didn’t like them, they would prefer raja mentality better. The best commanders of all Balkans were albs. Get used to that. You have to be joking. . What is to joke about?? I wanted to say that we albs are not good soldiers but good commanders. If is not clear or a mistake, then my english is to blame for. Nothing else. The greek independence was gained from irregular troops, guerrilla fighters. Thats where we are good at. Our national hero Kastrioti, was too a guerrilla fighter. He didnt fight in straight battles, except the sieges of Kruja (our capital at that time). The why we are not good soldiers is that we generally want to command and never obey. Now about the turks: Guards says there, they wanted us to obey. They wanted us not to drink (as muslims should do), and they wanted us to be quiet. well albs dont function that way. We drink and fcuk a lot...also we dont obey. (arvanitiko kefali as u say) One historian once said to a turk pasha: Dont make them knee in front of u, if u dont plan to cut their head after that. Also, our former self proclaimed king Zogu made a law that says: Albs should pray with their head up. The one who knees is not a man anymore, according to our kanun. So as u see we have a clear vision about what we think as manhood. If that make us barbars, be my guest to call us so.
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 16, 2008 16:49:53 GMT -5
Julius "What makes u think or assume they were ghegs? Most probably they were labs. To give u an example of how labs are, look at the face of current greek archibishop. (Liapis the surname). Or Papoulias is better? They were the same men who gave Greece independence. Also, albs generally are hard to command. That’s why turks didn’t like them, they would prefer raja mentality better. The best commanders of all Balkans were albs. Get used to that." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julius... if you were a Turk official.... and you search guards to look after a city with non-Muslim citizens... what you would prefer? A Muslim or a Christian? The were Turk's allies mate. They couldnt be something else than Gehgs. "My relatives have no recent (for 100 years at least) connection to ghegs, u r right.But it doesn’t mean anything. I respect their honesty, straight way of acting and many other qualities they have. If u want a more practical connection, ghegs are very similar to cretans. Cretans are for sure more harsh but more honest and straight too. Can u tell a cretan he is savage?" -------------------------------------------------------------- One more comment from the book says that after Thessaloniki was liberated by the Greek army... the official Greek govnt sent Peloponesians and Cretans as police officers to the city. The Thessalonikians who were used in a multicultural environment and with many North European citizens felt they didnt like those villagers from Peloponese and Creta and they protest to the Greek govnt so as to sent new and educated ones so they can fit to the cosmopolitan air of the city. So... my fellow citizens back then .... believed Cretans were savvages for Macedonian culture.. "Also, those troops were irregular troops, mercenaries. Which means no family with them, no children or women with them. Add here that they were no locals. Now, do u want me to compare through history mercenaries greeks to them? Or maybe some examples of barbarian actions made by regular greek troops?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julius, those times all people were more bruttal than they are today. Taking the fact that Gehs brutality was mentioned and pointed out..... they must have been very very brutal people..
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Post by julius on Apr 16, 2008 18:03:12 GMT -5
Julius... if you were a Turk official.... and you search guards to look after a city with non-Muslim citizens... what you would prefer? A Muslim or a Christian? The were Turk's allies mate. They couldnt be something else than Gehgs. = = = = = = = = = = = = = U are not even close in differentiating tosks from ghegs. And also I feel u lack the proper knowledge to understand that mostly ghegs never came to Greece at that time we speaking. From Ali Pasha and beyond, albs who came down to Greece were tosks-labs. To understand how it works, Ali and albs generally worked based on clans. So the raise of lab people came along with him and stayed there. Some regions of lab people in southern Albania: Vlora, Himara, Kurveleshi, Kuci, Hormova, Tepelena, Chameria, Suli.
Labs generally don’t, and ever believed in any god. (So here is the explanation why they drank a lot. (not a good muslim that one that does so). And religion was not a moral obstacle for them to go for that one who pays. In this case they were turks. (mercenary at the time was a job, as any other) But u just want to remain stocked in the theory that albs were allies of turks. Your problem.
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One more comment from the book says that after Thessaloniki was liberated by the Greek army... the official Greek govnt sent Peloponesians and Cretans as police officers to the city. The Thessalonikians who were used in a multicultural environment and with many North European citizens felt they didnt like those villagers from Peloponese and Creta and they protest to the Greek govnt so as to sent new and educated ones so they can fit to the cosmopolitan air of the city. So... my fellow citizens back then .... believed Cretans were savvages for Macedonian culture..
= = = = = = = = O my god, that big cultural “thing” again. Yia sou Vasili koultouriari. ;D U got a whole history to feed u with examples, of what happens when guys from different backgrounds come together. From Minor Asia refugees, to greek workers, to Albanians coming to Greece, and to muslims all over Europe. Be more openminded, friend. = = = = = = = = = = = ==
Julius, those times all people were more bruttal than they are today. Taking the fact that Gehs brutality was mentioned and pointed out..... they must have been very very brutal people.. = = = = = = = = = = == = How brutal? Like this brutal? Χριστούγεννα στο Κιοπρού Χισάρ (1920).
Το μεσημέρι μπήκαμε μέσα στο Κιοπρού Χισάρ. Οι τούρκοι φύγανε. […] Η βροχή είχε τώρα σταματήσει. Θαρρείς πως περίμενε να σταματήσει το κακό, για να σταματήσει εκείνη. Μέσα στη λασπωμένη τουρκόπολη, γύριζαν τα μπουλούκια από αρματωμένους φαντάρους. Σπάγανε τις πόρτες και μπαίνανε μέσα στα σπίτια, στα μαγαζιά. Όλη την ώρα άκουγες ξεφωνητά, γυναικείες φωνές, κλάματα, θρήνο. Που και που έπεφτε και καμιά ντουφεκιά. Είδα μια ανοιχτή πόρτα και μπήκα. Λίγο μέσα απ’το κατώφλι, φράζοντας το δρόμο, ήταν ξαπλωμένος ένας γέρος Τούρκος. Απ’τα ρουθούνια του κι απ’τα στήθια του έτρεχε πηχτό αίμα. Μέσα γινότανε μεγάλη φασαρία. Δρασκέλισα το σκοτωμένο Τούρκο και ζύγωσα. Καμιά δεκαριά φαντάροι, αναμαλλιασμένοι, βρώμικοι, γεμάτοι λάσπες, ματωμένοι, κυλιόντουσαν χάμω, χτυπιόντουσαν αναμεταξύ τους, γελούσαν δυνατά, μπήγανε ξεφωνητά ηδονής και λύσσας. Και στη μέση κι από κάτω τους μια νεαρή Τουρκάλα, με σηκωμένα τα ρούχα, μισόγυμνη, ξεμαλλιασμένη, τσίριζε, έκλαιγε, παρακαλούσε, βογγούσε. Μόλις μπήκα, κάποιος τους γύρισε και με κοίταξε και φώναξε: - Έλα ρε Τάσο, έλα να πάρεις μεζέ! Δεν ξέρω γιατί το είπε στα τούρκικα και ακόμα δεν ξέρω γιατί κι εγώ απάντησα στα τούρκικα: - Ντροπή ρε παιδιά, ντροπή! Η Τουρκάλα σαν άκουσε την κουβέντα κατάφερε να ξεφύγει από τα χέρια τους και ρίχτηκε πάνω μου, αγκαλιάζοντας τα πόδια μου, φωνάζοντας με ανατριχιαστική, κομμένη φωνή γεμάτη παρακάλιο: - Κουλτάρ μπενί ντιλ καρντασί, κουλτάρ! (Σώσε με αδερφέ στη γλώσσα, σώσε με!). Οι άλλοι χαχάνιζαν και την τραβούσανε. Παρακάλεσα, θύμωσα, έβρισα, θέλησα να τους φέρω στο φιλότιμο: - Ντροπή ρε παιδιά! Μια γυναίκα! Ντροπή! Πόλεμο έχουμε. Μα τίποτα. Ένας μάλιστα τράβηξε την ξιφολόγχη του σα μεθυσμένος, με τα μάτια θαμποκόκκινα, γυαλένια: - Α σιχτίρ, «κύριος»! Να μη σου γ…. καμιά Παναγία! Έφυγα, ξαναδρασκελώντας και πάλι το σκοτωμένο Τούρκο, ενώ από πίσω μου ξαναφούντωσαν οι βλαστήμιες, οι βαριές σα μεθυσμένες αντρίκιες φωνές, τα ξεφωνητά της γυναίκας. Όξω, μέσα στο σκοτάδι της νύχτας, οι δρόμοι και τα σπίτια φωτιζόντουσαν από τις κόκκινες, κολασμένες αναλαμπές των σπιτιών που λαμπαδιάζανε. Και σαν γυρίζαμε πίσω στην αυγή, τα χίλια σπίτια του Κιοπρού Χισάρ ήταν ένας θαμπός κόκκινος καπνός, που από μέσα του ακουγόντουσαν ως πέρα μακρυά ένα γύρο τα ουρλιάσματα των σκυλιών και των γυναικών τα ξεφωνητά
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Post by slowdent on Apr 17, 2008 2:06:23 GMT -5
julius
the fact that this is a mistake is to blame too........ throughout the years you have been traditionally bending over for the strong: ottomans, italians + nazis, U.S.
you have been used as soldiers by all these powers 1. ottomans: good example is tripolitsa where all the soldiers were albanians. 2. nazis: you made units trained by nazis. all this behavior led to some of the chams by the end of wwII to be expelled from Greece as traitors 3. Camp bondsteel. nothing else to say
and about the quality of Albanian troops- let history reveal that: 1. in tripolitsa (our previous example) the leader of the albanian troops made a deal with the Greek rebels and abbandoned the turks in the middle of the siege 2. in wwII when the axis started losing power, all of a sudden albania proclaimed neutrality
look into the above info and rephrase.
strangely enough the non-obedient, hard and stubborn albanians, had 40 years of brutal communism that deprived each and every albanian from every sense of liberty. WOW.
and speaking about "brutal" I would like to thank you for the text you pasted: It shows that Greek soldiers ill-treated the population of a village. As sad as it may be you forget to mention that it is written by a Greek soldier who emphasises on his feelings of guilt and shame concerning the situation. This kind of "brutal" behavior is extremely different from the one of certain of our neighbors: although they did what is described in the pasted text more than ten million times, they insist demanding excuses of the west for the slave trade......
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Post by julius on Apr 17, 2008 11:28:02 GMT -5
We'll see from what will be going from now on. Thats what u like to think. Soldiers or rulers?? Many, like almost everyone pasha of alb territory was albanian. From Kastrioti who fought them, to Mahmut Bushati, Ali Pasha, Omer Vrioni. etc. U even have some quality pirates like Barbarosa, who became admiral of Ottoman marine. Besides being in a multi ethnic empire, we ruled ourselves and some greeks too. Ali pasha owned around 900 villages and had been enjoying autonomy from Sultan. Also, u dont know, or maybe dont like to mention that around 30 grand viziers were albs. Then how come that communists won against the germans? Care to explain anything? Your logic is so lame when it comes into judging germans and communists too. U like to mention germans and communists as well. But just cant stand the fact that the late fought against them and won too. Also, we had around 28.000 dead people in wwii. Among them was a relative of mine too. She was only 18 years old and died fighting in Tirana against germans. About the chams, u like to think your way while greek UNI researches show us otherwise. So am I going to believe some slowdent here stucked in myths or some guys who have a PHD on those matters? U know what I should choose. Souda. Is there anything to say for me too? I just dont get it, really. Like ur thoughts arent coming from ur head but from ur a$$. Are u or not in NATO too?? Go home if u dont like it. Why are u playing like some cat seeing itself in a mirror and imaging a lion? All this NATO and USA thing...is getting in my nerves for being just a big greek fart. The question is that u like to think NATO never existed, so u could again like to think that u would be the master of Balkans. Well, lets imagine NATO never existed. There would be Turkey. And to go on...u would like again Turkey never existed so u would be the master of Balkans. And again, lets say Turkey never existed. U would think that a Great Albania going on will get ur way of ruling the Balkans. I can go on with every country around lol. Get real!!! They had given besa to Kollokotroni. What is to blame? U must thank them. There is nothing to thank greeks though for this example: Να κάνουμε το ένα μας και τούρκοι και ραγιάδες τον τόπο να παστρέψουμε από τους αρβανιτάδες Πηγή: Σαράντος Ι. Καργάκος, Αλβανοί-Αρβανίτες-Έλληνες, Δ’ έκδοση, εκδόσεις Σιδέρης, σελ.46-47). Just to explain the others who dont speak any greek: Turks here demanded albs to go from Tripolitsa. Alb leader didnt agree (quality of alb troops again) So turks agreed with greeks allied with them and killed albs all. While turks and greeks fought each other. Well, for them that was not enough. They made a song which more o less says: Lets get together turks and rayas (raya is for greeks here) And clean the place from albanians. There is more to come; it has to do with barbarian acts here. They cut the heads of the albanians. Riped them all, and made a tower like a pyramid with some of 5000 alb heads. Then destroyed it when Veli (son of Ali pasha) came to rule the place. Communist Party of Albania was found in 41' and fought germans from that time too. Also, those who fought won the elections. So what u saying here is irrelevant. As u can see, I did so. U are speaking as it was for albs only to decide the regime. The great powers shared their field of influence. So we went under communism. Many men died under communism as well. this is where I laugh. Try to use that emphasis in your school text books. Maybe the greek children would appreciate that so much. Also, if u liked so much the text I pasted, I can bring u more of it. Just dont be afraid to ask. OMG...here my head exploded. Nice man. Its a good punch line. especially the "blaming westerns for slave trade". Its so in our topic.
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Post by slowdent on Apr 17, 2008 12:43:38 GMT -5
julius You mean to tell me that the ottomans hired you as directors?..... gimme a break. You made the ranks of the ottoman empire because of your very good behaviour. (thank you for your statements – they demolish the claims of other Albanians about a fierce resistance against the ottomans - you can appologise to each one of them) Au contraire. You prove my words. (very good record to be proud of, indeed) Uuuuuh Prolonged resistance in Greece and heavy Russian winter? You really need to figure out what you mean here. You lost it. Can you show us a link with those uni researches? (I will not take no for an answer) Kossovo is not in Nato. If you meant Albania, it became a NATO member in April 2008 and camp Bondsteel exists long before. Any comments? You are high on sth? You’ve been talking to the masters of the Balkans all along. You did not realise it. Just think: where did Albanians run when they had the option? Who is investing heavily in your country? Who is maintaining and supporting all those albs that live outside Albania? Look at fyrom, they decided to take the hard line against Greece. Look at them now and in a little while. Bulgarians decided to collaborate with us and they are living happily ever after. Turkey still barks, but all the radical changes their govt introduces shows otherwise. So? Yes. Reliability 100%. Turks could really count on them. And let me guess: they accepted to leave because they were sure that they would win and decided to give Kolokotronis a break. R u for real? It does not say Albanians but arvanites. Do not abuse the terms. Do you have a source for this? Or do I have to take your word for it? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Tripolitsa You forgot to say that it was with help from Yugoslavia. And in the future you thanked them with Kossovo. That makes you reliable allies. Bravo. From 41 to 43 you were bending over to the Italians. In 43 you overwhelmed the Italians and Nazis came in: "Albanian collaborators, especially the Skanderbeg SS Division, also expelled and killed Serbs living in Kosovo. In December 1943, a third resistance organization, an anticommunist, anti-German royalist group known as Legaliteti, took shape in Albania's northern mountains. Led by Abaz Kupi, it largely consisted of Geg guerrillas who withdrew their support for the NLM after the communists renounced Albania's claims on Kosovo. Albania was entirely liberated from German occupation on November 29, 1944." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Albania_during_World_War_IIYou would not have “ss skanderberg” nor “ anti-German royalist group” mentioned if you did not work with them. It is on the people to decide the regime. Those who have the courage, fight for the better. You did not and you present it as if it is Greece’s obligation to pull you out of the sh1t your leaders led you They did so for Czech republic, Hungary, Yugoslavia. And they are better off than you. Wonder why? Can you provide us with similar texts from Albanian and Turkish books? Ask Janny for details .
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Post by julius on Apr 17, 2008 15:58:25 GMT -5
quote]You mean to tell me that the ottomans hired you as directors?..... gimme a break. You made the ranks of the ottoman empire because of your very good behaviour. (thank you for your statements – they demolish the claims of other Albanians about a fierce resistance against the ottomans - you can appologise to each one of them) [/quote]
U just dont want to understand again. We fought first and then gained our autonomy. Every alb pasha hired, fought the turks and after that came in terms to them from Mahmut Bushati to Ali pasha. So they actually WON their status in the battlefield. Not only that, but also became rulers of the empire in time to times. So instead of being benders of them, which u as rayades were, we imposed our status to them. Again some contradicts…first we are barbarians as Basil says and secondly suddenly good behaviours. If u make any sense...
Well if u think the "greek" Byzantine empire was any better u are just fooling yourself.
the kitty cat.
And the lion.
All im saying is that u use communism and nazism in both negative way when u speak for albanians. Communism fought nazism and communism won. So we actually fought the nazis.
Showing a link or not, has nothing to do with the existence of UNI researches.
I already explained myself. Im not infected at all by the greek way of thinking. Do u care to explain why are u in NATO and in the same time against it?
So u are as cute kitty cat as I believed, from the beginning. Those are EU. investments they give to you, and u fool around saying that u own them. Nice and used to it.
So u are blaming albanians, for what they did and not mentioning the massacre on turkish population that ocured later. Nice.
They made a deal, everyone kept his word on that.
Albanians, arvanites are the same. As Kollokotronis says, the song says. U are actually claiming that arvanites were christians. Well in those two occasions albanians are called arvanites and are muslims.
U already have the source. Wear glasses and read it.
The link doesnt work.
It didn’t go the way u are saying it, actually. First Tito and Hoxha agreed for Albania to join the Federal Yu. But after relations of Tito and Stalin broke up, Hoxha changed his mind. Meanwhile Kosova was already gone. U also forget to mention the help from allies on your "win".
How it went so easy from bending to overhelming, without including any fighting?? Nice one greek.
U also have tagmasfalites and katadotes, and of course a nazi government in Greece by those years. Of course u don’t mention it too. Is plan simple: War. Communists vs Germans and Balli, SS Skanderbeg etc. Communists won and ruled the place. Period.
Yeah…Colonel’s regime, Metaxa regime, Pangalos dictatorship. U would have been going through the same sh!t my dear kitty, it is wasn’t for the allies, and for the Americans too, which now suddenly u hate.
Yu. Better? If u are a believer in life after death, yes u can say that. May Yu. RIP. As for the others, lets just say this: They have way better neibourghs than we have.
What do u really want?
Where does Janny fit in here? Im not interested in following this path of the conversation. Janny speaks for himself.
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 17, 2008 20:04:08 GMT -5
Say that to an Arvanite, and see if you come back alive......They despise being called Albanian.
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Post by atlantis on Apr 17, 2008 22:17:54 GMT -5
What's your problem son.........pelasgian had a little problem ....names called arvanitas ,albans,chams Tosk, Ghegs, arberesh but all in one...Canon Printer ....can print a albanian longuage text copy.....
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Post by speedy on Apr 17, 2008 23:02:36 GMT -5
Its more than obvious why the texts do not consider Albanians and Arvanites the same people and why Anna Komnene differentiates you from the natives. Even though you deny accepting it, you people are neither connected to the Arvanites nor to the Illyrians or any other native to the region people.
As for your wet-dreams connected to Kapodistrias, Bouboulina, Botsaris ...etc. Lets see again what we can do to educate you and show you exactly the difference between Albos and Arvanites:
SOURCE: Greece and the Levant; or, Diary of a summer's excursion in 1834: with epistolary supplements. By the Rev. Richard Burgess., Burgess, Richard, 1796-1881. P.78
Here, secluded from the rest of the world, and before the Ottoman arms of the plundering Albanians invaded their peace, the family of the Bozzari ruled supreme, and Marco, tending his father's flocks, conceived those ideas of military glory which were afterwards developed in combating for the liberties of Greece.
SOURCE: The burden of the Balkans / by M. Edith Durham., Durham, Mary Edith, 1863-1944. p. 51
The Albanians made terms with the Turks...............
'We Albanians,' said an Albanian kaimmakam come recently, 'have quite peculiar ideas. We must have freedom; we will profess any form of religion which leaves us free to carry a gun. Therefore the majority of us are Moslems."
"Fighting has always been the Albanians' joy. They now fought for the Turk whenever called upon, and were well paid, for their services were very valuable, and they retained the right to manage their own internal affairs. The heads of noble families were made Pashas or Beys, and given the governorships of the larger towns: Skodra, Ipek, Skoplje, Janina, Prisren-all were ruled by hereditary Albanian Pashas; and the Albanian, as the ally of the Turk"
SOURCE: Through the lands of the Serb,, Durham, Mary E. p.78
"The Albanians purchase privileges from the Turks by fighting for them and supplying the Turkish army"
Now do you understand why they were Arvanites and you are Albanians.?
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Post by speedy on Apr 17, 2008 23:16:02 GMT -5
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 17, 2008 23:48:48 GMT -5
What's your problem son.........pelasgian had a little problem ....names called arvanitas ,albans,chams Tosk, Ghegs, arberesh but all in one...Canon Printer ....can print a albanian longuage text copy..... Pelasgain ? Lemnos (Linear cool.gif the oldest European script ??.? It is not writen from Albanian but from Greek. This Albanian doesn't think they were or are proto Albanian, what makes you think either wise ? Found in this Albanian forum; z14.invisionfree.com/AlbanianLibrary/index.php?s=0df6d682f3ada90a050a8055752984aa&showtopic=109It is not writen from Albanian but from Greek. And is housed in Athens for all to see. Gee I wonder why Wake up re. .
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Post by slowdent on Apr 18, 2008 9:45:15 GMT -5
man. Excuses, excuses. This way Theodoros Kolokotronis would be the Sultan for many years. To make the ranks you should be considered a turk. Do not try to excuse your guys…. check the kitty cat "The Greek prisoners, too, have been or will be immediately released because of their gallant bearing." "Towards the vanquished and unhappy Greek nation we feel sincere sympathy. It was the victim of its King and of its deluded leading caste. It has, however, fought so bravely that even the respect of its enemies cannot be withheld from it." "Historical justice obliges me to state that of the enemies who took up positions against us, the Greek soldier particularly fought with the highest courage. He capitulated only when further resistance had become impossible and useless." you can read it in the ADDRESS BY CHANCELLOR ADOLPH HITLER TO REICHSTAG Berlin, Germany, May 4, 1941 www.ibiblio.org/pha/policy/1941/410504a.html sorry to say I did not see any Albania or Albanian mentioned in there…… Freezing cold. Hehehe. Thats where you show that you want the easy way out: the rest of Europe fought the Nazis, they beat them and communism was the only force that remained in your country. Excellent uni researches usually are mentioned some place on the web. Please provide us with a link. If there is one. We are in NATO as part of a force that imposes justice and fights bad guys. There is nothing correct in bombarding Beograd because monica did not swallow or stealing a piece of smns country to build a huge base in it and never care for the people around. Kiddo sorry to ruin your sleep : "Already Greek private direct investments, despite the inevitable difficulties that Greek businessmen are encountering because of the nature of the whole venture: * Are covering 27 percent of the total of direct foreign investment in Albania; * are second in importance in Bulgaria, totaling $1.5 billion, while during the last decade Greek foreign direct investments came to a total of 1 billion euros in Bosnia-Herzegovina; * to 720 million euros in Serbia-Montenegro ― in which the invested capital of Greek origin comes to 1.2 billion euros ― and * to $1.3 million in Croatia, while they came to * 700 million euros and have created 9,000 jobs in FYROM, where Greece is the top foreign investor, and, finally, * are fifth among the important foreign investments in Romania." www.bridge-mag.com/magazine/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=79&Itemid=38 so when I say jump, you do not ask “why”, you just say “how high”!!!! Do not try to deviate the conversation. The fact is that you abandoned your masters once the things got difficult for you. Really honourable. The massacre of the Turkish population that followed is still considered an act to avenge the killing of all the Greek population of tripolitsa, cos they supported the failed Moldavian revolution (you learned something albo) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Tripolitsa Hope the link works now. The story says: Yugoslavia sent help to Albania to organise a communist party. The Albanian communist party sold Yugoslavia and proclaimed Albanian independence as winners of the wwii – with no runner up. After many years you sold yugoslavians again (funny how history is repeated). tagmasfalites and katadotes were shot at Goudi shooting range………… what happened to the albs? hehehehehehehe. I can go on laughing. Pangalos imposed a dictatorship for seven months……. declared himself dictator on 3 January 1926 and had himself elected president in April 1926 and he was removed on 24 August 1926. Metaxas said oxi writing one of the greatest moments in Greek history, The colonels were overwhelmed by the Greek people. PS. The colonels were heavily subsidised and sponsored by the Americans. Keep on learning greek history albo. There is nothing similar in alb history books. 40 years hoxa played you. And you did not do anything about it. You know what I want. Similar text from Albanian or Turkish books. It cannot be clearer than that.
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Post by atlantis on Apr 18, 2008 10:52:30 GMT -5
Arxileas first of all there is no greek with that nose it is a pure pelasgin-albanian –gheg- malsor we joke every day about that kind of nose.....and that face 2-You know that script speaks no greek.,... It’s like saying Austrians stole Scanderbeg arms and they claming him as a Austrian..... There is a lot of argues about that script and most believe that it speaks Albanian.... www.forumivirtual.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6380&d=1152222845
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Post by atlantis on Apr 18, 2008 11:14:32 GMT -5
speedy, your math is no good... you saying 2+2=5 don't be against greek history.....about arvanitas and don't bring sources from Edit Durham without reading High Albania.... don't consider her a serios source because she was a muslim culture lover ....sad most of greeks
originally what the world knows Scanderbeg could be more chinese than a greek... history could not be a daycare book ....
albanian history is a pelasgian-etruscian-phonetician-thebian-myssian-troyan-epiriot-yllirian-arberian-albanian-shqiptar.....thousands of years tryed to be deleted by new cultures, but rezisting without no doubt from greeks-latins-slavs-muslims .....considering that fact is the strongest history in the world..... but no one likes that specialy greeks
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Post by slowdent on Apr 18, 2008 11:18:18 GMT -5
atlantis
crystal clear. you can add mongol, uzbek, zuly and you can change the word "globalisation" in the dictionary with "albanian"
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