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Post by depletedreasons on Mar 13, 2008 10:18:59 GMT -5
USA: Greece still does not recognize Macedonian minorityWashington /12/03/ 13:02 Greece continues to deny the existence of Macedonian minority on its territory and to pressurize that members of Greek society. This is stated in the Report of the US State Department on human right practices in 190 countries across the world in 2007, publicized late Tuesday. The report for Greece states existence of citizens that identify themselves as Macedonians, Turks, Pomaks (Slavic speaking Muslims), Vlachs, Roma, Arvanites (Orthodox Christians who speak a dialect of Albanian). Many individuals who defined themselves as members of a "minority" found it difficult to express their identity freely and maintain their culture, State Department says. The report states that persons that identify themselves as ethnic Macedonians are victims to the application of the law, which allows taking away citizenship from "persons who commit acts contrary to the interests of the country for the benefit of a foreign state". "The governments enforces the law in virtually all cases against persons who identified themselves as ethnic Macedonians, whereas the number of such cases has never been revealed, is said in the report. The government did not recognize the Slavic dialect spoken by persons in the northwestern area of the country as Macedonian, or as a language distinct from Bulgarian. Most speakers of the dialect referred to themselves as "natives," while a small number of Slavic speakers insisted on using the term "Macedonian," a designation that generated strong opposition from the ethnic Greek population," the report states. This population claims that Greek authorities for many years pursued a policy designed to discourage use of their language. Government officials and the courts denied their requests to identify themselves using the term "Macedonian," because approximately 2.2 million ethnic (and linguistically) Greek citizens already use the term to identify themselves. /end/ www.phantis.com/news/read.html?newsID=20080312134840
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Kanaris
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This just in>>>> Nobody gives a crap!
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 13, 2008 10:28:42 GMT -5
This coming from a person whose Government is killing off it's Kurdish population slowly..... I think it would be wiser to discourage them from talking their own language than killing them and denying them some basic rights.... What do you think?
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Post by bb681 on Mar 13, 2008 13:21:29 GMT -5
Love the way the US is on a crusade to deal with the historic and social injustice around the world!
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 13, 2008 19:05:51 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 13, 2008 21:14:09 GMT -5
Simple, vardarians change their name and all things will be o.k.
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Post by slowdent on Mar 14, 2008 1:31:31 GMT -5
bamsi jan
do not forget to pay tribute to your sources. you forgot to paste this
really high quality news. no doubt
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Post by depletedreasons on Mar 14, 2008 2:22:15 GMT -5
This coming from a person whose Government is killing off it's Kurdish population slowly..... I think it would be wiser to discourage them from talking their own language than killing them and denying them some basic rights.... What do you think? Turkey is on the right track, I think. Turkey Set to Invest in Better Relations With Kurdswww.nytimes.com/2008/03/12/world/europe/12turkey.html?_r=1&ref=europe&oref=sloginI am not so sure about the track that Greece leads.
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Post by slowdent on Mar 14, 2008 2:48:26 GMT -5
it is true sadly I have to admit it. Minorities exist inside Greece. admirably in Turkey there are no such problems, because minorities ceased to exist. Turkey has eradicated them all. this is a thesis of a guy from the imperialistic Hawaii. www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP5.HTMHe concludes that Email him and ask him to excuse himself for the slave trading. But you can see the positive side. You might suck in treating people but you top the list in something: you are the number one in genocides. Concerning the track about the Kurds: cutdacr@p Jan. even the title of your own posting suggests that Turkey has actually BAD relations with the 20% of its population. U dig?
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Post by ioan on Mar 14, 2008 2:49:47 GMT -5
Macedonians? You probably mean southwest Bulgarians. I didnt saw many of those when I visited Greece. Its a wealthy country and the citizens deffinately doesnt feel oppressed. Probably we talk about 50 fyroms paid by Skopie (as it is in Bulgaria).
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Post by slowdent on Mar 14, 2008 2:53:12 GMT -5
ioan
the article bamsi-jan pasted was written by an objective source mak fax
the guys claim that there are 2.2 milion FYROMians inside Greece. they account for the population of all the Greek cities in Macedonia in North Greece. The real number is 7.700
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 14, 2008 7:36:08 GMT -5
"Government officials and the courts denied their requests to identify themselves using the term "Macedonian," because approximately 2.2 million ethnic (and linguistically) Greek citizens already use the term to identify themselves. /end/" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I believe the last sentence of the article is the whole idea. Since 2,2 million people are more than 5000 people (Votes of Rainbow Party)...... there is nothing more to say..
If we dont take that under concideration... then we have a non-democratic situation. And that is why.... US shuts the fuc.k up and only includes their thoughts in some useless reports..
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Post by slowdent on Mar 14, 2008 8:08:54 GMT -5
basil
this is not an official report
it is a brainfart of the makfax agency. the article is not signed
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 15, 2008 16:00:58 GMT -5
A... malista.
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Post by Red Brigade on Mar 16, 2008 13:59:59 GMT -5
Although the right of self determination must be respected, its quite ridiculous that these macedonians have the impression that they are descendants of Alexander the Great. Don't they see that they are speaking a slavic language? I mean how do you reconcile these two things. Talking about collective solipsism.
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Post by grksdied4you on Mar 16, 2008 14:45:35 GMT -5
Although the right of self determination must be respected, its quite ridiculous that these macedonians have the impression that they are descendants of Alexander the Great. Don't they see that they are speaking a slavic language? I mean how do you reconcile these two things. Talking about collective solipsism. Their ignorance, stupidity and stubborn nature is appalling. Whatever will become of these brainwashed Bulgarians? The facts speak for themselves but it is obvious that these people and a whole nation are living a lie. What's that saying about Hitler? "In order to have stopped us we should have been smashed in the streets from day one." So what is Greece waiting for with these people?
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Post by pagane on Mar 16, 2008 15:47:52 GMT -5
Skopje pay big money to few hundred idiots to make noise in the neighbouring countries about the 'macedonian' minority. It is a state politics but I do hope it will end soon with the end of the name Macedonia. It must be erased because it gives them false grounds for a fake identity.
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Post by slowdent on Mar 17, 2008 0:59:27 GMT -5
Their ignorance, stupidity and stubborn nature is appalling. Whatever will become of these brainwashed Bulgarians?
leandre albs will want independence and will want to unify with Kossovo. The non-albs that will be displaced will heva to go to the adjacent EU countries (yes you guessed right, Bulgaria and Greece)
The calculations for the infrastructures of Thessaloniki are done in the basis of a population of 4 million. this has started loooong time ago
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Post by depletedreasons on Mar 17, 2008 2:38:54 GMT -5
Although the right of self determination must be respected, its quite ridiculous that these macedonians have the impression that they are descendants of Alexander the Great. Don't they see that they are speaking a slavic language? I mean how do you reconcile these two things. Talking about collective solipsism. History is written by the ones who prevailed. Today, the Bulgarians of Bulgaria speak a Slavic language and they are a mixture of Locals, Slavs, and Turkish speaking Bolgars who set up the Bulgarian Kingdom in the Balkans. However, the Volga Bolgars remained around Volga basin, are now called as Kazan Tatars, Kumyks, and Karachay-Balkars. Likewise, the Macedonians are very much related to the ancient Macedonians (locals), Slavs, and Turks though the language they now speak is not related to the Macedonian anymore. Which is understandable since the Balkans have been a settlement center both for Slavic and Turkic tribes as early as the times of Huns. Similarly, the Muslim Tatars of Poland, Lithuania, and Belarus can not speak Kipchak Turkish anymore, but they still keep their identity due to their different religious practices. Likewise, modern Greeks speak Greek, but they are hardly related to anything Greek since Greece is the left over of the Roman and Ottoman Empire rather than anything Hellenic. Such are the paradoxes of history.
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Post by bb681 on Mar 17, 2008 5:07:16 GMT -5
How about you shove it and stop mixing Turkic with Turkish for a start? Whatever the early Bulgars spoke, it wasnt the monkey babble you speak and it was even then acknowledged that they are a minor part of the whole population while I dont recall hearing that the ancient Macedonians are anyhow related to Slavs(who are themselves acknowledged centuries later). Also the self-proclaimed Macos, unlike other old ethnicities, are not just different from their ancestores-to-be as a culture in every aspect but havent being acknowledged since ancient times just to "resurface" in the 20th century. They would have had a better chance of being ignored as a separate entity but wasnt meant to be - the little men wanted to feel big by having the history of the ancient state that conquered Persia.
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Post by pagane on Mar 17, 2008 5:27:17 GMT -5
Turkish speaking? Do you believe that noonsense?
Are you trying to annoy the Greek guys or you see flying elephants? Just curious because no sensible person believes in what fyromian 'history' claims.
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