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Post by Kassandros on Feb 22, 2008 19:25:50 GMT -5
"what ...? you guys dont like my PELAGONIA for fyrom name ? " -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bulgaria sounds better and more sound.
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Post by Kassandros on Feb 22, 2008 19:26:54 GMT -5
Nikliane...I think you might be right. It make sence.
On the other hand... in USA.... precidents rule or CIA?
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 23, 2008 19:25:47 GMT -5
Ten months is a bit too long, pressure is on for both sides now. So having said this we cannot wait this long. And a deal has already been struck. Besides they cannot be what they want without Thessaloniki There was never a Solun, these kids just rave on about garbage.
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Post by iskender on Feb 23, 2008 19:43:27 GMT -5
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Post by iskender on Feb 23, 2008 19:53:15 GMT -5
Ten months is a bit too long, pressure is on for both sides now. So having said this we cannot wait this long. And a deal has already been struck. Besides they cannot be what they want without Thessaloniki There was never a Solun, these kids just rave on about garbage. Thesalonica means Thessalo(Thesaly) nica(wins)whicm mean wins over Thessalyians
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Post by Sotirios on Feb 23, 2008 20:29:24 GMT -5
[ Thesalonica means Thessalo(Thesaly) nica(wins)which mean wins over ThessalyiansIs this what Thessaloniki means in Macedonian? what a coincidence... it means the exact same thing in Greek
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Post by iskender on Feb 23, 2008 20:44:42 GMT -5
YEA
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Post by Kassandros on Feb 24, 2008 5:56:11 GMT -5
lol lol lol The trasformation to Greeks has just started.. lol lol
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Post by terroreign on Feb 24, 2008 20:18:51 GMT -5
How about just "Upper Republic of Macedonia"
Greeks already agreed on the upper part, just ad the republic part and everyone agrees.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 24, 2008 23:43:49 GMT -5
Democratic Republic of Macedonia, Constitutional Republic of Macedonia, Independent Republic of Macedonia Republic of Upper Macedonia. Only Upper Macedonia is different from other three - which each eludes to exclusivity to Macedonian name. I guess that is that name Greece should go with or perhaps have it altered with a new ones North Macedoniaor even New MacedoniaPS: It is extremely unlikely that Skopje will accept anything without the Macedonian name contained within it so real option are North or New.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 24, 2008 23:47:52 GMT -5
I think 'new' is an important word that should be used... like 'New' York to identify the old York in England from the New one...
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 24, 2008 23:58:48 GMT -5
I agree Kanaris as no-one sane can confuse New York with York or New Zealand with Zealand (in Holland). I know this mainly applies to the so called 'New World' but we have a unique situation here. A new population that has decided to call itself with a old name with which they have no logical connection with (territorially it is not original Macedonian nor do they speak Greek as Old Macedonians both of which are in Aegean Macedonia which should also be referred to as Old Macedonia). The term New Macedonia is also easily catchy (wonders that that one word ' new' could do) and would clearly seperate them from old Macedonians or Greek Macedonians. Greece has to approach this as pragmatically as possible as it is only solution that can be accepted by both and which is a better solution for Greece then calling them 'North Macedonia' (as that still doesn't seperate them from old Macedonia). I would love to see Skopje argue their way from the proposal 'New Macedonia' as on what exactly would they possibly base their objection upon?!
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Post by terroreign on Feb 25, 2008 0:38:10 GMT -5
They could say they are not 'new', and that the area was known as Macedonia since roman times.
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Post by Sotirios on Feb 25, 2008 1:05:03 GMT -5
They could say they are not 'new', and that the area was known as Macedonia since roman times. The area, yes, it was known as Macedonia since before the Roman times, but these people are "new Macedonians" as they decided to adopt the name Macedonian not too long ago and since they have no connection whatsoever to the ancient Macedonians. However there is huge difference between New Republic of Macedonia, and Republic of New Macedonia.What the Skopians hope, is, if the name New Republic of Macedonia is accepted, eventually the word "New" in the beginning of the name will be dropped and we will be back to Republic of Macedonia. At the moment Greece is holding firm that the name must have a geographic significance, so it should be Republic of Upper Macedonia to indicate that the name is based on geographic location, not ethnicity. Greece will not accept a name without another word in front of the word "Macedonia". And that word must have geographic sgnificance.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 25, 2008 1:07:15 GMT -5
They can say whatever the hell they want..... No E.U. No Nato... No U.N. and plus Greece can slap an embargo on them... like last time......
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Post by terroreign on Feb 25, 2008 1:23:57 GMT -5
Republic of Upper Macedonia would still result in calling it just Macedonia.
The upper republic of Macedonia is just as good, and is a compromise.
Republic of Upper macedonia would actually be WORSE for the greeks, because the name infers (to a uninformed person) that FYROM has legitimate claims to land in northern Greece.
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Post by Sotirios on Feb 25, 2008 4:19:39 GMT -5
Republic of Upper Macedonia would still result in calling it just Macedonia.
The upper republic of Macedonia is just as good, and is a compromise.
Republic of Upper macedonia would actually be WORSE for the greeks, because the name infers (to a uninformed person) that FYROM has legitimate claims to land in northern Greece. ... or that Greece has legitimate claims to the Northern (Upper) part of her province of Macedonia... currently occupied by non-Macedonian Slavs and Albanians. That's why it's best if the name does not include Macedonia at all, like it was called before... Vardarska would be the ideal non-confusing name. Republic of Upper Macedonia eventually will become simply Upper Macedonia ... like Northern Irland, North Dacota etc
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Post by Niklianos on Feb 25, 2008 20:46:52 GMT -5
Ten months is a bit too long, pressure is on for both sides now. So having said this we cannot wait this long. And a deal has already been struck. Besides they cannot be what they want without Thessaloniki There was never a Solun, these kids just rave on about garbage. The pressure is on because those behind Bush want it for their own economic gains. They know, hopefully as the Greek politicians should know that since Obama has already co-sponsored a bill telling the Skops to stop their propagandic attacks on Greece and it's history that if he becomes president then they will lose everything they have worked for over the past years. There is a reason why suddenly Nimitz is coming up with more 'options' over the past several months compared to the last 7 years. The same goes for the Palestinian situation but not over financial gains. The Bush administration is concerned about image and how the presidency is viewed in the future. They know they failed miserably with everything else so starting at the beginning of this year they started pushing heavily on the Israeli and Palestinian peace process. Obama is the key to Greek success. If he loses then I feel Greece will have no choice but to capitulate in the end.
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Post by Niklianos on Feb 25, 2008 20:57:23 GMT -5
How about just "Upper Republic of Macedonia" Greeks already agreed on the upper part, just ad the republic part and everyone agrees. How about this which is completely logical and what Greece did? You just call your country something OTHER than a name with Macedonia in it and then just call that part of your country which actually is part of Ancient Macedonia(around Lake Ohrid) 'District of Macedonia' or 'Province of Macedonia' ?? After all it was only around 15-20% of your country which was part of the Ancient Region while the rest was Paeonia and Dardania. This way those who originate from that region can consider themselves as Macedonians just as the Greeks of Macedonia call themselves Macedonian. This will solve all the problems and you can call yourselves 'Macedonian' due to the region you originate from while the Greeks can call themselves Macedonian because they carry on the language and traditions and live in the same area as the Ancients.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 25, 2008 21:48:38 GMT -5
Niklianos - you didnt read the whole thread, in ROMAN times ALL of FYROM was known as Macedonia. They have a legitimate claim to the name for their entire country.
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