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Post by albanesehoney on Nov 30, 2007 21:33:07 GMT -5
So what do you want to tell us ] That Albanians show a clear genetic propensity to a very ancient and aboriginal origin of their nation on the lands of the Pelasgian/Illyrian peninsula.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Nov 30, 2007 21:47:02 GMT -5
Illyrian and Pelasgian, were the same Hellenic People and the Thracian were closer to Greeks have the same culture like the Hellenes
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Post by albanesehoney on Nov 30, 2007 22:31:12 GMT -5
Illyrian and Pelasgian, were the same Hellenic People and the Thracian were closer to Greeks have the same culture like the Hellenes What are you trying to say? That Greeks now have the sub Saharan/E African allele and seem to be the closest genetic cousins of the African males? I'm shocked I tell you. I never knew you would finally admit to the truth.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Nov 30, 2007 23:09:00 GMT -5
That Albanians have the sub Saharan/E African allele and seem to be the closest genetic cousins with the African
This Video make clear to you that albos have Sub Saharan origin mixed with Egyptian African Arab Turks etc... ;D
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Post by albanesehoney on Nov 30, 2007 23:36:37 GMT -5
How do explain the common alleles between Southern African and East African males appearing among the Greek male population? This alele does show the direct current Greek males descend and share common aleles with Sub Saharan Africans. Nothing wrong with that assumption and result. Shows Greeks were among the men in Alexander the Macedonian's army. ;D
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Post by kartadolofonos on Nov 30, 2007 23:42:50 GMT -5
greeks were mediterranean
albanians were sub saharan origin mixed with Egyptian, African, Arab, Turks ,
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Post by albanesehoney on Nov 30, 2007 23:48:57 GMT -5
why does the Sub Saharan alele apear today among Greek men? that's the question you haven't answered? Geneticists tested over 100 Greek men from the Pelops and Crete.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 1, 2007 0:06:54 GMT -5
Greek mtDNA
In numerous recent studies, the mitochondrial DNA of Greeks was examined and was found to be predominantly Caucasoid with only infrequent presence of "erratic" sequences from non-Caucasoid sources. Mitochondrial DNA ("mtDNA") is inherited from one's mother and is thus a good way to establish the maternal ancestry of a population.
The most comprehensive European-wide study of mtDNA is [1] in which 125 Greeks were sampled among thousands of Europeans. The Greeks appear in the "Mediterranean-East" category of the study. Greeks tested belonged overwhelmingly to the Caucasoid-specific haplogroups ("Seven Daughters of Eve" popularized by Bryan Sykes' book).
The "erratic" sequences include a Sub-Saharan African (L1a) sequence, which was derived from the Albanian part of the sample [2]. The other two sequences non-attributed to a European founder are members of haplogroups prevalent in Asia, M and D. Thus, the total percentage of erratics in the Greek sample was 1.6%. The Greeks, like most Europeans are fairly pure in terms of their maternal ancestry.
It is sometimes argued that the Greeks absorbed large numbers of Negro slaves or immigrants. There is no evidence of such an event in Greek mtDNA. If it ever took place, it was so limited in scope that not a single sequence in a total of 125 could be found.
The number of non-European sequences in the rest of Europe is also small, while in the Near East it is about 5%, only slightly larger. One can easily verify that Sub-Saharan African admixture (L sequences) has been detected in Scandinavia (Sweden, Norway and Iceland - 0.6%), Southeastern Europe (Bulgaria/Romania - 0.5%), Central Mediterranean (Italy and Sardinia - 1.7%; mostly in Sardinia), the Mediterranean West (Spain and Portugal - 3.7%), North Central Europe (Poles, Czechs, Germans, Danes - 0.9%), North Western Europe (Britain, Ireland and France - 0.4%). In another recent study [3] on Norwegians, an L2 Sub-Saharan African sequence was found in the sample of 74 Norwegians (1.4% Sub-Saharan admixture). Finally [4] showed 0.5% to 1.2% introgression of Sub-Saharan African genes into the European American gene pool.
The main conclusion to be drawn from these studies, is that Caucasoids of European descent have negligible traces of non-Caucasoid maternal admixture. Sub-Saharan African traces of such ancestry are found at levels of about 1% in many populations.
A new study [5] has collected mtDNA haplogroup frequency data from several populations, including Greece, and the islands of Crete, Lemnos, and Rhodes. The frequency data are shown in the table below. The Sub-Saharan influence amounts to 2 L sequences in Crete, for a total of 1% of the island, and 0.4% of the total studied Greeks.The European average of L sequences (N=10,859) is 0.7%. M sequences cannot be attributed to a racial origin, since haplogroup M is divided into different clades which occur at appreciable frequencies in the Caucasus, Middle East, North Africa, South as well as East Asia, and could thus have diverse origins; Greek M sequences have been attributed to the West Eurasian M1 clade [6]. M sequences occur in Greece at a total rate of 1.7%. The average of them in Europe (N=10,859) is 0.8%.
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 1, 2007 0:41:12 GMT -5
Where's your link? ::)So if the above is true, then, you agree that Albanians existed during alexander's time and they were his generals in his army who mixed with their subjects? Look, you can't have it both ways. Deny our existence and connection to Alexander and his Macedonian tribe of Illyrians and now claim we are the ones who carry the alele of descendants of our fathers mixing with subject peoples. Make up your minds. Try quiting those lines already. Maybe you can think clearer without those drugs.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 1, 2007 0:53:17 GMT -5
Albanians existed during alexander's time
no thats no thrue you were not born yet
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 1, 2007 0:58:19 GMT -5
so then, those greeks are descendants of Greeks who mixed with african mothers. Look you cannot have this conundrum...you either have to give up the lie that alexander was greek and connect the Africans to Albanians today OR Claim he was Greek and the genetic connection to sub saharan males is evidence of Alexander's greek origins. Pick one. ... cuz claiming one and not the result makes all Greeks look foolish and amateur in their "scientific" attempts to connect MACEDONIANS to Greeks.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 1, 2007 1:05:47 GMT -5
guy all the world know that the Macedonians were was and are greek and you are the only one who live behind the moon ;D
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 1, 2007 1:08:39 GMT -5
Well, what's it gonna be? Greeks were macedonians and now carry african genes, or claim Albanians are descendant of the Macedonians and now carry the african gene. You're an idiot if you think you can sell your pile of lies to people who can read genetic bloodlines.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 1, 2007 1:25:28 GMT -5
psycho you are
THE MASTER OF NONSENS and dont deserve respect !!!
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 1, 2007 1:30:40 GMT -5
Listen, YOU CANNOT SAY THAT MACEDONIANS WERE GREEKS, AND NOW SAY THAT GREEKS ARE NOT THE CARRIERS OF THE AFRICAN ALELE.
Try to understand just that one little fact. I thought Socrates created deductive and inductive reasoning. Maybe Socrates too, wasn't greek, if you claim to be a descendant of his people.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 1, 2007 1:34:43 GMT -5
Macedonias are Greeks
Take your stong Pills Malaka
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 1, 2007 1:39:03 GMT -5
So, logic just doesn't work well with your claims? Then, give up and let the real Greeks take over. You're doing a poor job of defending your claims.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 1, 2007 1:48:55 GMT -5
claims
IDIOTTT
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Post by Niklianos on Dec 1, 2007 2:00:10 GMT -5
The African allele that is present in ONLY less than 2% of the Greeks is a left over of when humans ALL originated in Africa! It does not mean that the ancient Greeks mixed with Black Africans.
Albhoney, when are you going to provide ACADEMIC sources for your continuous claims of the Ancient Macedonians being Illyrian and the Ilyrians being descended from the Pelasgians! All archaeological evidence supports that the Ancient Macedonians were a Greek tribe!
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 1, 2007 2:20:03 GMT -5
Your citation on the "ONLY less than 2% of the Greeks is a left over of when humans ALL originated in Africa! "? In Karta's source, and in the original tests, claims of ancient Greek's had the added mix of African sources, from the times of Alexander's conquests. Either way, you need to post your source on the original African man theory connected to Greeks in that test. I posted clinical genetic tests, that were simultaneously mapped to migrations of peoples from Anatolia and linguistic development. That's clear deductive PROOF of Albanian origins and direct descent from the Anatolian Pelasgians. As for the side citations from those databases, i need to update my university alum connections to get access and post them here. where's yours?
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