PARIS DIO_MYSUS!
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Feb 15, 2009 13:34:14 GMT -5
Since we're talking about religion here's a head scratcher for the religious people of the forum by Greek philosopher Epicurus: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Hey leshte e bythes, Para se ju dhe Epicurus te permendi e te thoni dicka ne adrese te Zotit (God) duhet te lani gojen 100 here me furce teli dhe kolinoz special.
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Post by leshte on Feb 15, 2009 15:36:46 GMT -5
Mutja I don't have answers to those questions. However they are interesting questions. Lemme know when you find answers for them. I am interested. I am not an atheist by the way. I would like to have logical answers on those.
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PARIS DIO_MYSUS!
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It's Nice to be Important but It's more Important to be Nice!
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Feb 15, 2009 16:56:34 GMT -5
Mutja apo leshte e sateme
e nga kush i kerkon pergjigjet ti per perendine nga greku barbar dhe i pabese apo nga serbet qe jane antichrist ;D.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 16, 2009 8:23:45 GMT -5
Albanians – tolerance, religious tolerance. LOL. Try apathy, atheism, Islam denial & it doesn't suit our claims. OK now go up and read what you wrote again and try to realize how dumb you are as people, because like you say you are the same people with different religion and you killed and massacred each other. Yes you’re right. But like I advocate violence. I’m religious. I ultimately don’t believe in countries. Bosniaks are the ones who deny their Serbian heritage. We don’t deny ours as slavs or pagans. OK, us Serbs define identity highly correlated with religion… We see ourselves as defending Europe from Islam. We see ourselves as enlightened from paganism (whatever), not forced into Islam. Ciril & Methodius, Orthodoxy… Saint Sava & subsequent Serbian saints brought us enlightenment & culture. Our most significant cultural practice (slava) is associated with religion as it’s celebrated on a Saints day. Our identity is proudly associated with BELIEF. What is Albanian identity associated with – genetics? Language? ridiculous ancient tribal fantasies – Illyrians, Pelasgians? btw, why is the "Is Sex Bad" topic locked out? My horny self wanted to comment.
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Post by libofshe on Feb 16, 2009 8:47:27 GMT -5
Albanians – tolerance, religious tolerance. LOL. Try apathy, atheism, Islam denial & it doesn't suit our claims. how does apathy come into it you fvcking imbecile? what is you major malfunction? can you not stand the fact that we have grown to accept each other religeous beliefs and not kill our own kin simply because they believe in smth different? but that doesn't really register with your seed, coz you can't go 1 decade without shedding blood now can you? whatever happened to being illyrians? i am religeous therefore i advocate violence...where? how the f...? are serbs like the single most severely retarted, inbred, poorly educated, cave like race on the planet? that's doesn't even begin to make sense, what the fvck is wrong with you? did someone at some point and time in your miserable existence rape you using a serbian propaganda book up the hole? is that why your fa**ot clergy cut so many deals with the ottomans? when you came to the balcans you were a herd of malnourished, semi evolved, fleece wearing, sheep shagging secord rate race, you knew nothing, you fed off cultures sorrouding you and then you became something somewhat resembling humans. you cling on to your b*tch a$$ traditions like you brought them with you, you borrowed everything from people around you, so much fascinated with albs that you try to this day to be them, claiming you're illyrians, there's your definition of apathy, you fvcking leech! educate thyself you misguided wanker, deliver thyself from the abbyss of thy own imbecility.
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 16, 2009 8:48:22 GMT -5
Comparing Serbian culture with Albanian culture is like comparing the GDP per capita of Ghana with Louxembourg. Would be better off to compare the gdp of ghana and the gdp of albania cuz that place is a fukn dump. Lol Albanians.. that word makes me laugh.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 16, 2009 8:56:27 GMT -5
^^ Most incomprehensible BS. It's like you really got hurt & then came up with stupidly emotional insults.
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 16, 2009 9:00:07 GMT -5
Since we're talking about religion here's a head scratcher for the religious people of the forum by Greek philosopher Epicurus: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? I saw that quote..had to respond. Epicurus is a badass.. Here is another famous one... . . . death is nothing to us. For all good and evil consists in sensation, but death is deprivation of sensation. And therefore a right understanding that death is nothing to us makes the mortality of life enjoyable, not because it adds to it an infinite span of time, but because it takes away the craving for immortality. For there is nothing terrible in life for the man who has truly comprehended that there is nothing terrible in not living. [Death] does not then concern either the living or the dead, since for the former it is not, and the latter are no more. As for the arguement regarding identity...i can see both sides of the argument. Although I have a bias towards serbians and the fact that we modern greeks identify ourselves w/ byantine and christianity...i can also see what some albos here mean. However, I would like to point out to the albanians that ethnic identity is defined by a Group consouisness and not individual. A part of the reason why we accepted christian turks and booted out muslim greeks during the exchange with turkey.
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 16, 2009 9:01:20 GMT -5
albeit there were more muslim greeks than christian turks...so dont go there...
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Post by leshte on Feb 16, 2009 21:07:01 GMT -5
Epicurus is good to read. It makes you think and seek answers.
The difference between Albanians, Serbs and Greeks is that we Albanians have a clear defined line between ethnicity and religion. So religion can be personal while ethnicity is our Group consciousness. Greeks and Serbs on the other hand seem to not be able to distinguish between religion and ethnicity. To you guys religion equals ethnicity or ethnicity equals religion. That is why one cant be a catholic or muslim and Greek or Serb at the same time. That is why you you guys see the survival of your nation in your churches. If the Greek or the Serb church ceased to exist then I think most of you guys would think your nation would be in great jeopardy. To us Albanians on the other hand it doesn't matter weather churches (catholic and Orthodox) or mosques or Teqes cease to exist, we are still gonna be there as a nation. We don't see our nation's survival tied to any religious groups.
Also some of you guys are not real believers. It seems to me you are just a bunch of wacko zealots. Christianity does not teach any of you to feel superior about your religion, or to put down other religions. In fact it prevents you from doing that. Yet you do it. Now if you were real believers you would know that that attitude alone would close the gates of heaven for you guys, no matter how many times a week you go to church, no matter how may hail Mary's you say.
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Post by insomniac on Feb 16, 2009 22:20:55 GMT -5
We see ourselves as defending Europe from Islam.
Is that what you guys were doing in Croatia?
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Post by libofshe on Feb 17, 2009 3:03:19 GMT -5
We see ourselves as defending Europe from Islam.Is that what you guys were doing in Croatia? haha spot on, spot on!
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 17, 2009 6:13:13 GMT -5
Defending Europe from Catholics, duh!
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Post by leshte on Feb 17, 2009 21:42:33 GMT -5
Is that why Europe and Croatia ended up kicking your a$$es cuz you were defending them? !!!!!!
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 18, 2009 1:43:35 GMT -5
We see ourselves as defending Europe from Islam.Is that what you guys were doing in Croatia? haha spot on, spot on! ? We were forming the Vojna Krajina (translated as "War Frontier") against the Turks who were replacing us with Albanian Muslims. I thought that was pretty fundamental.
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Post by kapetan on Feb 18, 2009 1:50:51 GMT -5
Yea ...defending Europe from Islam....cuz the threat of a multi-ethnic, united and whole BiH with its nominal muslim lite Bosniak population was JUST TOO BIG!!!!!! Us Bosnians and Albanians in Kosovo got together and planned our takeover of Europe!
f**kin idiots. The only reason that conflict even turned into an ethnic war of survival was you morons. and thos ekind of delusions. Go back to the dark ages f*ggots. You and your retarted parents who keep teaching you this type of idiocy.
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Post by kapetan on Feb 18, 2009 1:53:28 GMT -5
? We were forming the Vojna Krajina (translated as "War Frontier") against the Turks who were replacing us with Albanian Muslims. I thought that was pretty fundamental. The people settled in Croatia and Bosnia by the Turks and Austrians were Vlachs. Even they called you Vlachs. Fact. It's clear, in their records. Plain as day. No book about the hisotry of BiH Or Serbs in Croatia will not mention this fact. Now these same vlachs fight for Serbdom like no other *waits for cliche repsponse about bosnians betraying their oriignal religion even though their original religion wasnt orthodoxy*
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 18, 2009 2:44:34 GMT -5
Yea ...defending Europe from Islam....cuz the threat of a multi-ethnic, united and whole BiH with its nominal muslim lite Bosniak population was JUST TOO BIG!!!!!! Us Bosnians and Albanians in Kosovo got together and planned our takeover of Europe!. f**kin idiots. The only reason that conflict even turned into an ethnic war of survival was you morons. and thos ekind of delusions. Go back to the dark ages f*ggots. You and your retarted parents who keep teaching you this type of idiocy. If only I had a dollar every time you said bi!ch or fvck... You're just jealous of our romantic idealism which actually quite true.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 18, 2009 2:52:49 GMT -5
? We were forming the Vojna Krajina (translated as "War Frontier") against the Turks who were replacing us with Albanian Muslims. I thought that was pretty fundamental. The people settled in Croatia and Bosnia by the Turks and Austrians were Vlachs. Even they called you Vlachs. Fact. It's clear, in their records. Plain as day. No book about the hisotry of BiH Or Serbs in Croatia will not mention this fact. Now these same vlachs fight for Serbdom like no other *waits for cliche repsponse about bosnians betraying their oriignal religion even though their original religion wasnt orthodoxy* Bosniaks are just as much ethnically Vlah as Serbs are. If anything probably moreso since Bosnia was mostly either Vlah or Serb. If they weren't Serb then which identity do you think they would have picked up in Bosnia? A law of ban Matej Ninoslav... "For deceit by a Vlach of a Serb, a Bosnian court was to be conveyed. But for deceit of a Serb over a Vlach, a court was to be convened in Dubrovnik." Stefan Decanski also passed laws discouraging marriage of Serbs & Vlahs in Kosovo... In other words the Romanized/speaking population of the Balkans was the main other group on people in Serb inhabited lands including Bosnia. The only combination is that Serbs & Vlahs integrated. The Bosniak identity only came well after that. Most subsequent use of the term was simply pejorative in regards to Serbs as rural people. How else would they be seen through large scale migrations fleeing their land? We didn't arrive in Krajina rich. Also, ethnic Vlahs still exist in Serbia & Macedonia but not in Bosnia. Btw, Vlahs can also be seen as Romanised natives anyway (Illyrians).
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Post by kapetan on Feb 18, 2009 5:24:53 GMT -5
The people settled in Croatia and Bosnia by the Turks and Austrians were Vlachs. Even they called you Vlachs. Fact. It's clear, in their records. Plain as day. No book about the hisotry of BiH Or Serbs in Croatia will not mention this fact. Now these same vlachs fight for Serbdom like no other *waits for cliche repsponse about bosnians betraying their oriignal religion even though their original religion wasnt orthodoxy* Bosniaks are just as much ethnically Vlah as Serbs are. If anything probably moreso since Bosnia was mostly either Vlah or Serb. If they weren't Serb then which identity do you think they would have picked up in Bosnia? LMFAO *stops there since obviosly you have no hope* it's insane what serv kids belive, and even worse belive it off no real basis but their nationalistic bulls**t that's become so infamous its laughable. just think about why everyone has always called you vlachs and not us and why we STILL call you that. Why it became such a common name that even others who are orthodox started being called that. it didnt happen by accident. in no history book will you ever find bosniaks called vlachs unless its to say a small amount of muslim vlachs might've been assimilated. nitey nite serv
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