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Post by atlantis on Mar 18, 2008 9:24:57 GMT -5
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Post by atlantis on Mar 18, 2008 9:27:57 GMT -5
According to Cubrilovic, Royal Yugoslavia could achieve political stability through two parallel processes:
1.Serbian colonization of lands with non-Serbian population and 2.Expulsion of some nationalities from the country.
The results of the Serbian colonization until 1937 were not satisfactory, said Cubrilovic.
Nonetheless, the Serbian Academician saw the Albanians as the most dangerous nationality. They should be expelled to Albania and Turkey. The expulsion of the Albanians from Yugoslavia would solve at the same time the problem of the fifth "dangerous" nationality, Slavic Muslims: "With the removal of the Albanians, the last link between our Muslims in Bosnia and Novi Pazar and the rest of the Muslim world is cut" (p. 110). Cubrilovic was aware of the difficulty of the task. The few successes already achieved in colonization he saw as the result not of good organization, but rather of the "colonizing qualities of our race [nase rase]" (p. 117). Since the gradual colonization of Kosovo was not a solution:
It is impossible to repulse the Albanians only by means of gradual colonization [...], the only way and the only means to cope with them is the brutal force of organized state power [brutalna sila jedne organizovane drzavne vlasti] in which we have always been superior to them. (p. 111)
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Post by Mimi on Mar 18, 2008 10:42:33 GMT -5
bcs we are to strong for them ;D they demended assimilation but we refused, we were determend to take back what belong to us and we did it
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Post by donnie on Mar 18, 2008 11:11:28 GMT -5
Absolutely right. The Serbs attempted on quite a few occasions to alter the demographic makeup of Kosova by a combination of expulsions/massacres and forceful assimilation (the latter prooved so unsuccessful that it was abandoned early on ... with half-a*ssed attempts to Serbianize our surnames and such being the only tactic that lingered on). But they could never break us. I think this further angers them because they have been fed with the idea of us Kosovar Albanians, the 'Siptars', being uncivilised mountain villagers in 'need' of Serbian civilization.
But quite on the contrary, whether as illiterate farmers (our predecessors who were killed in 1912) or as an enlightened youth with energy (today), we posses an inner strength that has prooven unbreakable even at the mercy of Serbian artillery and machinery. One that makes me conclude that Serbs are unworthy enemies who'd do best and pack their things and move back to whatever wretched place they crawled up from.
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Post by Kastorianos on Mar 18, 2008 12:35:05 GMT -5
You are too strong? Come on if there werent the Americans and Euros you would still lick their balls...
Oh well so Serbs are unworthy enemies and Serbs came from wretched places...rofl...let me tell you something.....its exactly vice versa. What will come next? You eked out your independency? rofl...
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Post by atlantis on Mar 18, 2008 12:43:21 GMT -5
The Greater Serbian Ideology The case of Serbia raises the question of the responsibility of intellectuals in a particularly drastic way. The spectacle of intellectuals succumbing to uncritical and, eventually, utterly unrestrained patriotism and even jingoism is by no means rare, in particular in our century, when Julien Benda rightly characterized as one of "intellectual organization of political hatreds" (Benda 1955:21). But Serbia's war on Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, and now Kosova, is not just another unjust war. It is rather a systematic onslaught of a large and well-equipped army and police force, together with assorted militias, on the civilian population of these countries, which initially had hardly any armed forces to speak of. The aim of this onslaught was - in the case of Kosova is - to conquer all or most of their territories, "cleanse" them of their non-Serb inhabitants and of all traces of their history and culture, settle them by Serbs, and annex them to Serbia. In the course of this war, the Serbs have perpetrated war crimes and crimes against humanity, including genocide, that had not been seen in Europe since World War II.
Moreover, the nature of the Greater Serbian ideology is such that these crimes have not been committed by individuals and groups acting on their own, in contravention of the official policies. War crimes of the latter sort are committed in virtually any war; some have been perpetrated by the Croats, Muslims, and possibly Kosovars, too. The Serbs, unlike their foes, have committed their crimes systematically and on a mass scale, in the course of carrying out orders and implementing the grand national program. The explanation of this apparently baffling fact is simple. Almost all other types of expansionist nationalism and pan-movements are after other peoples' lands, abut are willing to annex them together with their inhabitants. The fate of native inhabitants is never enviable, but it is neither extermination nor expulsion. The Greater Serbian nationalism, on the other hand, calls for the setting up of a greatly expanded and at the same time, "ethnically homogeneous" nation state. This is to be accomplished in an ethnically extremely mixed part of the world. The sole way of accomplishing this is by conquerings other peoples' lands and "ethnically cleansing" them by genocide and mass expulsion, the way the Serbs have been acting since 1991. That is why the Greater Serbian nationalism, if unchecked, ends up in "ethnic cleansing," and in the twentieth-century European context can be compared only to that of the Nazis.
Interestingly enough, some of the prominent Greater Serbian thinkers have been quite straightforward about this. The import of their ideology is spelled out in the titles of some of its basic texts: "Until Extermination, Yours [i.e. the Croats'] or Ours" by Nikola Stojanovic, "The Expulsion of Albanians" by Vasa Cubrilovic, "Homogeneous Serbia" by Stevan Moljevic (Grmek 1993). These titles announce the ideas advanced in the texts quite accurately. As early as 1902, Nikola Stojanovic depicted Croats as neither a people nor a tribe in their own right, but a mere shapeless mass that lacks a culture or language of its own and has always been ruled by others. Their hisotry is now entering its final stage, a fateful conflict with the superior, freedom-loving and state-building Serbs. "This battle must be fought `until extermination, ours or yours.' One side must succumb. The Croats will be the losing side; that is guaranteed by the fact that they are less numerous [than the Serbs], by their geographic position, by the fact that everywhere they live mixed with Serbs, and by the process of general evolution, in which the Serbs embody the idea of progress" (Stojanovic in Grmek 1993:61).
In 1973m Vasa Cubrilovic called for ridding Kosova of its Albanian population in order to settle it by Serbs. He praised the successful "cleansing" of Serbia proper of all "foreign elements," carried out by earlier governments (Cubrilovic in Grmek 1993:111), but pointed out the limited results of Serbian colonization of Kosova and argued that "the only way ... is the use of brutal force by organized state authorities" (Cubrilovic in Grmek 1993:113). He went on to present an elaborate blueprint for expulsion by systematic state terrorism supplemented by legal and economic pressure. There was no need to worry about public opinion abroad: "if Germany can expel tens of thousands of Jews, while Russia transfers millions from one end of the continent to another, the expulsion of a few hundred thousand Albanians will not cause a world war" (Cubrilovic in Grmek 1993:114).
Writing in June 1941 in German-occupied Belgrade, Stevan Moljevic argued that "the Serbs' first and fundamental duty" was the setting up of a Serbian state "uniting all Serbs and all lands where Serbs live" (Mojevic in Grmek 1993:128 & 131). This Greater and ethnically "homogeneous" Serbia was to include all lands where any Serbs lived, together with whatever additional territories they might want for economic, strategic, or other reasons. That added up to almost 70% what had been Yugoslavia, a third of Albania, and large chunks of Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary. This was mandated by the Serbs' "historic mission," which was hegemony in Yugoslavia and throughout the Balkans (Mojevic in Grmek 1993:130).
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Post by fannoli on Mar 18, 2008 13:08:46 GMT -5
Serbs hate every Albanian not just the Kosovo ones. Not only that but the hatred goes more to Muslims in Bosnia and Croats too especially.
Who really gives a chit though? The point is to protect our own interest not to change other peoples perception of us.
They can think what they want; if we are strong and united then no need to worry.
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Post by atlantis on Mar 18, 2008 13:59:45 GMT -5
Actually...little bit scared ... being strong is not enough ...... I think being smarter is the point .......
Unfortunately Serb Academy build a kind of propaganda based on billion $$ spreading it all over the world In this way they make too many people believing their point...they start as a tribe and grew up as a civilization ........to Yugo-Slaves and we have to accept their achievement Otherwise Albanians can not be challenged......
They came in Balkan Peninsula as a poor and barbar people ....hungry for Illyrian culture speculating, assimilating and stealing most of it and here you have them as an empire, falling down now.... I have to accept.. they make to believe some Albanians too, their fiction, bad Albanians Karagjorgjevic ones...
The autochthon people of Balkan were rich fuelled up and didn’t need more, living slowly .......that’s the way of revolutions
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Post by rex362 on Mar 18, 2008 15:21:24 GMT -5
Come on if there werent the Americans and Euros you would still lick their balls...
oh kastor ...I never would of thought this from you
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Post by Kastorianos on Mar 18, 2008 15:42:33 GMT -5
Rex...we are talking here about kossovar albanians...you are tosk from the Prespes...you are far more related in blood to me than to donnie or any other kossovar...
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Post by rex362 on Mar 18, 2008 15:49:56 GMT -5
never mind ....your screwed up and have no comprehension of anything ....
if your related to me ....your also automatically related to donnie and all the Kosovars ....
now lets dance .....make a circle
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Post by toskali4springbrk on Mar 18, 2008 16:27:26 GMT -5
You cannot even begin to understand how offensive that is to a southern Albanian.
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Post by sotneser on Mar 18, 2008 17:01:30 GMT -5
Rex...we are talking here about kossovar albanians...you are tosk from the Prespes...you are far more related in blood to me than to donnie or any other kossovar... What a retarded statement! WOW
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Post by myzeqari on Mar 18, 2008 17:06:53 GMT -5
You are too strong? Come on if there werent the Americans and Euros you would still lick their balls... Oh well so Serbs are unworthy enemies and Serbs came from wretched places...rofl...let me tell you something.....its exactly vice versa. What will come next? You eked out your independency? rofl... bitch if u didn't carry out gratuitous fellatio pleasure to the EU and nato turkey would have anally penetrated u decades ago so shut the fuck up, hows those fly by-s over athens these days? the turks still pissing over ur bitch asses? hows that memory of that greek officer who got picked off by the turkish soldier? fell over the flag pole like a little bitch, and u motherfuckers have e proper army... u wanna talk about a defenceless population unarmed and unprotected taking on the serbian military war machine? u fuckin faggot!!!! that is so even handed right? why didn't the serb paramilitaries and army demolish the KLA? how many KLA soldiers died? i can guarantee you if you pansies scoured the darket and the deepest recesses of ur miserable history u can't find a hero like the IMMORtAL ADEM JASHARI, the guy walked in front of a fuckin hail of bullets, the guy sacrificed his whole family, 25 in total for his motherland, so go fuck urself and keep shoving the same old propaganda up ur faggot ass, coz u know u bitches don't even have a fifth of the heart albos have and nobility. so watch ur mouth next time before i unleash my turkish homies to ride on bitch asses, fuck's ur problem? sticking up for the serb cause, stay in ur lane and choose the words carefully.
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Post by bordura on Mar 18, 2008 17:13:29 GMT -5
i'm Lab and tosk from my family born and raised in Tirana. yo a Greek maybe i'm related in blood through millenias of living next to each other, but to a Kosovar i'm not related i'm am the same. what you say it is ofensive, not because relating southern Albanians to Greece, but considering Albanins of different regions "related". Kastro you seam to be most of the time a fair dude. This time ...
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Post by donnie on Mar 18, 2008 17:14:49 GMT -5
Licking balls is a Greek custom, not an Albanian one. And where was the US & Europe prior to 1999, pederast? The conflict did not start 1998. It began in 1912, and back then, much of Europe sided with the Serbs on the Kosovar issue. Kosova was ceded to Serbia which had its hands relatively free to conduct operations of ethnic cleansing in the former province. But we weren't broken -------------------------- Welcome back Meltdown. How's life?
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Post by atlantis on Mar 18, 2008 17:44:36 GMT -5
No one in the regions has a warriors heart like an Albanians from ancient to present.
Dance with warriors; Vallja Skenderbeut- Kruja
Vallja Shkupi
Vallja Dardanian men
- Korca
North-South Dance
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Post by Kastorianos on Mar 18, 2008 19:45:20 GMT -5
its not about offensive or non offensive.....but truth.
Give this guy the comedian tag. Its unbelievable...
I somewhat feel provoked when tourko donnie says "we are strong"...and when he thinks kossovar albanians are something better than serbs......donnie let me tell you that... there comes more s.hit from your mouth than from the exit of a sewerage...
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 18, 2008 19:57:03 GMT -5
I am not touching this one with a ten foot long pole.....
Rex...let's dance...opa!
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 18, 2008 20:40:20 GMT -5
Serbs don’t hate Albanians that live in Kosovo. Serbs only hate Albanian soldiers that rampage around Kosovo; slaughtering, raping and torturing Serb civilians.
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