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Post by sotneser on Mar 18, 2008 20:42:44 GMT -5
ky Kastorianos qenka ma budall se budalla, ncncn, hahaha qka nuk ka kjo bote.
=================================== please ...attack the ideas not the members...thank you for understanding!
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Mar 18, 2008 21:46:00 GMT -5
Because we are better looking than them and their chicks go for us rather than them. Serbian girls are crazy after Albanian men and it has always been that way since 1912.
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Post by zgembo on Mar 19, 2008 3:39:07 GMT -5
Albanians used their favourable status as Muslims under the Ottoman Empire to settle and conquer a region which was (prior to the Ottomans) the center of the Serbian Empire. It all really begins with that.
Prior to the Ottoman conquests of the Balkans, the Serbian Empire was one of the strongest states in Europe, a forerunner of cultural and social development. The Turks brought an end to it. For 500 years Serbs used the memory of that golden age (the rule of the Nemanjici, notably that of Dusan), along with a partially mythical interpretation of the Battle of Kosovo, to preserve their religion/identity. After getting freedom came the desire to restore that great period in time. Unfortunately, the centre of that Empire was now populated by remnants of the Turks who thought the land belonged to them. Therein lies the dislike of Kosovo Albanians by Serbs. Fannoli can insist we hate all Albanians as much as he wants, but the only issue is Kosovo. Otherwise, our relations would be as congenial as Serbo-Romanian relations are.
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Post by donnie on Mar 19, 2008 6:32:05 GMT -5
Being called "turk" by a Greek ... lol. And I am talking sh-t, haha.
Wrong. Kosova became depopulated as a result of wars. Consequently, a vacuum emerged which was filled with waves of immigrants from the highlands, both Catholic Albanians and Orthodox Slavs ('Montenegrins'). The favorable treatment Orthodoxy received made it easier for the Slavs to preserve their religion, while Catholicism was viewed as a threat due to Western Europe, an enemy of the Ottoman empire, being predominantly Catholic. Thus, the Albanians converted to Islam due to cultural and political reasons after they had already settled Kosova.
The Serbian "empire", while not acknowledged as such by any except herself, was shortlived and not a forerunner of cultural and social development. It was a kingdom characterized by the suffering of its landtied serf class, where laws of mutilation prevailed. The Ottomans' arrival provided more rights to the exposed farmers than they had enjoyed under Dusan's era. This is very apparent when you read 'Dusanova Zakonik'.
And the notion of Kosova and it holding the key to Serbia's "glorious past" was not an onliving concept, but rather a fabrication of 19th century nationalists who saw the past as a mean of justification to territorial expansion.
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Post by sotneser on Mar 19, 2008 7:22:02 GMT -5
Teuta, Teuta disappointed ;D
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Post by Duke John on Mar 19, 2008 7:33:56 GMT -5
o yea, where does that kind of kosovo and albanian soldiers exist? in the self bullchitting reality that your tiny head has created to feel less frustrated?
Krrrkkk Croatia,Bulgaria,Hungary! ta hongsha motren.
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Post by Kastorianos on Mar 19, 2008 8:29:35 GMT -5
Tourkalvane. ;D
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Post by rex362 on Mar 19, 2008 9:18:50 GMT -5
Kastor has a serbian girlfriend ...she plays serbian marching patriotic war hymns while they make slow motion love he's screwed
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Post by Kastorianos on Mar 19, 2008 10:06:34 GMT -5
Forgive me rexopoule.
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Post by atlantis on Mar 19, 2008 10:12:42 GMT -5
Albanians used their favourable status as Muslims under the Ottoman Empire to settle and conquer a region which was (prior to the Ottomans) the center of the Serbian Empire. It all really begins with that. Prior to the Ottoman conquests of the Balkans, the Serbian Empire was one of the strongest states in Europe, a forerunner of cultural and social development. The Turks brought an end to it. For 500 years Serbs used the memory of that golden age (the rule of the Nemanjici, notably that of Dusan), along with a partially mythical interpretation of the Battle of Kosovo, to preserve their religion/identity. After getting freedom came the desire to restore that great period in time. Unfortunately, the centre of that Empire was now populated by remnants of the Turks who thought the land belonged to them. Therein lies the dislike of Kosovo Albanians by Serbs. Fannoli can insist we hate all Albanians as much as he wants, but the only issue is Kosovo. Otherwise, our relations would be as congenial as Serbo-Romanian relations are. I told you the history didn’t start here...... However, I could agree with you, Slaves came to Balkan Peninsula and create a big Empire but not as a migration (this is a term used nowadays) I’ve read some by your history... saying Slaves migrated to Balkan settled on empty land ....this looks like a joke ....nobodies can believe Dardans, who were there, died within 1 day and the land was empty waiting for Slavs.... You forgot to mention, Stefan Dusan was called by Serbs as a King of all Balkan Peninsula (Serbs, Albanians and Greeks) how comes.....simple a Empire need to extend power and land.. And many Slavs migrated toward Albania, via Egnatia settled in Grace Territories too, Myth of the Battle of Kosovo was an attempt to stop Ottomans, with an international army (Serbs, Albanians and Hungarians) of course on the top was Dusan, trying to save his power of Kingdom... but was shame destroyed from Ottomans..... so is completely unimportant in the world History....there were Albanians fighting against Ottomans, what world knows, under the best leadership Gjergjg Kastriot Scanderbeg....This is the real story and not Slavian myth Battle of Kosovo.... According to this comparison preferred status seems to be for Serbs not for Albanians....it was Dusan crown that make piece with ottomans, married princesses of Serbs Kingdom with Sultans.... when Albanians were fighting as lions against Turks.... The other thing is Austria-Hungary clarify as autochthon and give Kosovars favorable status more than Ottoman Empire.... The story comes and goes one time Kosova and the other time Serbia but the origin of the land and the people, mach only with Albanian Kosovars today....
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Post by montenegrodeki on Mar 19, 2008 10:45:45 GMT -5
Because we are better looking than them and their chicks go for us rather than them. Serbian girls are crazy after Albanian men and it has always been that way since 1912. Yeah your are right!, it must be that half an egg hat you guys wear! ;D Joking aside, i dont think Serbs hate Albanians totally, there are thousand of Albanians who live in other parts of serbia, Belgrade included and have good lives. One of serbia'a most famous Narodna singers is Albanian 'Djogani' Kosovo is the only reason for Serbia's dislike of kosovo Albanians, perhaps the fact you were allied to the Nazi's didnt help too!
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Post by leka123 on Mar 19, 2008 10:52:07 GMT -5
Firts of all we always lived in our land. Serbs didn't rule kosovo for 500 years give me a brake. I was under the impression that skadar was the cradle of their civilzation. illyrians and albanians lived in kosova, the dukagjini family ruled it, league of prizren was born there, and republic of kosova was declared there.
Serbs tried to take albanian land all the way to durres. i wonder what kind of bullshit they would have thought up about durres. probably something with gjergj balsha. lol.
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Post by zgembo on Mar 19, 2008 11:04:41 GMT -5
Wrong. Kosova became depopulated as a result of wars. Consequently, a vacuum emerged which was filled with waves of immigrants from the highlands, both Catholic Albanians and Orthodox Slavs ('Montenegrins'). The favorable treatment Orthodoxy received made it easier for the Slavs to preserve their religion, while Catholicism was viewed as a threat due to Western Europe, an enemy of the Ottoman empire, being predominantly Catholic. Thus, the Albanians converted to Islam due to cultural and political reasons after they had already settled Kosova. Muslims received favourable treatment with regards to land laws in Kosovo and it contributed to establishing their dominance in Kosovo. You denying this is pathetic. Even Shpata, an ALbanian, admitted that was the case on the old forum. The Serbian "empire", while not acknowledged as such by any except herself, was shortlived and not a forerunner of cultural and social development. It was a kingdom characterized by the suffering of its landtied serf class, where laws of mutilation prevailed. The Ottomans' arrival provided more rights to the exposed farmers than they had enjoyed under Dusan's era. This is very apparent when you read 'Dusanova Zakonik'. And the notion of Kosova and it holding the key to Serbia's "glorious past" was not an onliving concept, but rather a fabrication of 19th century nationalists who saw the past as a mean of justification to territorial expansion. Why do you have to be a broken record? Whatever your view of medieval Serbia, you cannot deny that Serbs used the memory of the Serbian Empire and of the Battle of Kosovo to preserve their identity for those 500 years. Much of the Nemanjic dynasty was venerated into saints and most Ottoman-era poetry revolves around the Battle of Kosovo and figures from the Nemanjic dynasty. That is how the memory was preserved and nurtured.
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Post by atlantis on Mar 19, 2008 11:48:12 GMT -5
Vaso Cubrilovic Expulsion of the Albanians (1937)
The Albanians cannot be repulsed by means of gradual colonization alone: they are the only people who, during the last millennium, managed not only to resist the nucleus of our state, Raska and Zeta, but also to harm us, by pushing our borders northwards and eastwards. Whereas in the last millennium our ethnic borders were shifted to Subotica in the north and Kupa in the north-west, the Albanians drove us from the Skadar and its region, the former capital city of Bodin, from Metohija and Kosovo. The only way and the only means to cope with them is the brute force of an organized state, in which we have always been superior to them. If since 1912 we have had no success in the struggle against them, we are to blame for this, as we have not used this power as we should have done. It is not possible to speak of any national assimilation of the Albanians in our favor. On the contrary, because they base themselves on Albania, their national awareness is awakened and if we do not settle accounts with them at the proper time, within 20-30 years we shall have to cope with a terrible irredentism, the signs of which are already apparent and which will inevitably put all of our southern territories in jeopardy.
As we have already stressed, the mass removal of the Albanians from their triangle is the only effective coursefor us. To bring about the relocation of a whole population, then the first prerequisite is the creation of a suitable psychosis. It can be created in many ways.
Like you can see they cant afford us in a real battle, the only way for them to defeat us is : ETHNIC CLEANENCE __________________
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Post by zgembo on Mar 19, 2008 12:01:15 GMT -5
Vaso was totally right. Unfortunately, he was not part of the government of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. He was only an academic at the time, giving his opinion.
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Mar 19, 2008 12:03:54 GMT -5
Because we have a bigger penis size.......?
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Post by donnie on Mar 19, 2008 12:07:44 GMT -5
Except that is not what you said. You implied that the Albanians of Kosova came as already converted Muslims. This is false. Albanians came as Catholic immigrants searching for a better life than that found in the rugged terrain of 'Free Albania' (Northern Albania and contemporary Montenegro). The Turks' unfavourable treatment of Catholics, the weak attempts of the Papacy to protect its followers in the Balkans and so forth, were all contributing factors to our conversion.
That privileges followed as a result is true. But then again, you had your own era of expansion and favours during the Byzantine era as an Orthodox people.
Actually, it is you who are a broken record, using outdated Serbian arguments to try and justify your presence in a territory that's anything but Serbian now, just as in antiquity.
Yes, members of the Nemanjid royal family were venerated as saints, the most prominent of which was Saint Sava. However, this was a religious matter, not a specifically Serbian matter. You're projecting modern nationalism a little too far into history. There was barely a Serbian national consciousness; for a period, nineteenth century monks in Visoki monastery identified themselves as 'Russian', while many Kosovar Serbs simply called themselves 'Kosovci' and their language as 'nas jezik'.
What I mean to say is that yes, Serbian Orthodoxy lived as did the saints it cherished. But, this was a religious matter, a way to preserve an Orthodox identity when nationalism was still to emerge. Kosova's importance wasn't as grand as you make it to be; infact, the only reason why it has received such an honorary position in your revisionist historiography is because of the battle fought there 1389. And the reason why that battle is important is because a Sultan happened to meet his end there at the lance of an unkown warrior (legend says it was Milos Kopilic, who's existance is speculative). Kosova, how it was perceived in 1389, during the Ottoman period and presently, are three different things. Its borders have been fluid, and only in the 19th century was it given the central position in Serbian historiography it currently posseses. In Dusan's era however, this wasn't the case; Kosova was a mere plain near Prishtina, not the political unit that today is the Republic of Kosova. Skopje, outside Kosova, was his capital. Rashka, outside Kosova, was the cradle from whence the Serbian kingdom emerged. And Montenegro was from where the Nemanjici originated.
The myth that is Kosova is a fabrication that had political motives. Balads of the battle in 1389 were indeed preserved, but also among Albanians. And amidst the Serbs, a traitor was more praised than Prince Lazar or Milos Kopilic, namely Marko Kraljevic, who together with Dejan Konstantinovic fought on the Ottoman side in 1389!
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Post by zgembo on Mar 19, 2008 13:30:58 GMT -5
I don't know why you insist on teaching me Serbian history. Consider the main points I have made, and strop detracting from them with irrelevant facts or opinions.
I said two important things:
- Albanians used the privilege of being Muslim to achieve domination in Kosovo during Ottoman Rule (a FACT which you cannot discount).
- Serbs used the Nemanjic era and the Battle of Kosovo to preserve their religion and consequently their identity; monuments that were related to the peak of that Nemanjic Era, which the Serbs felt an attachment to, were located in Kosovo (this is an indisputable FACT too, which you are also incapable of disproving... everything you else you mention is irrelevant to those points, you are just adding facts and tidbits, you are not disproving my main points)
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Post by fannoli on Mar 19, 2008 13:35:16 GMT -5
Fannoli can insist we hate all Albanians as much as he wants, but the only issue is Kosovo. Otherwise, our relations would be as congenial as Serbo-Romanian relations are.I never denied that. I said that Serbs hate all Albanians for whatever issues they are including Kosovo. Take me for example. I am from Southern Albania and an Orthodox in case you would like to use the religion card. I am pretty disliked. Maybe Serbs expect us to bend down to Kosovo and accept your ways of handling things for you to be good neighbours. That simple is not going to happen. The thing is that you do not only have problems with us. How much do Serbs really hate/envy Croats inside? How many of them are bitter because of Krajina and wish they could have the power to do something. All im saying is that we shouldn't try to change peoples perceptions. Often changing peoples perception involved a bit of loosing pride and bending over. All i hear in this forum is: Why do greeks do this, why do serbs dislike us. You cant force somebody to like you. We should focus on getting ourselves powerful enough so we are not vulnerable to our neighbours.
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Post by donnie on Mar 19, 2008 15:19:50 GMT -5
You mean just like you try to teach me about Albanian history? You don't have to be a Serb to read about your history.
This control was limited. And it still does not account for how we became a majority. The Albanians in Epirus were also Muslim, and Albanian governors controlled much of what was and is Epirus & Thessaly. Despite of this, the Greek majority remained intact, except for Thesprotia ... where Albanian domination had been achieved PRIOR to the Ottoman arrival.
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Then why did Marko Kraljevic, a traitor and collaborator, receive more praise and attention by the Serbian folklor than Milos Kopilic or Prince Lazar? Again, you're projecting nationalism a little too far into history. Your modern perception of Kosova as the cradle and centre of Serbdom are 19th century fabrications. This is clear to anyone who isn't blind by Serbian BS, such as yourself.
P:s Croatia, Hungary and Monaco recognized Kosova. That's a fact too, since you like facts so much, pidhuc.
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