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Post by SKORIC on Dec 23, 2008 8:09:33 GMT -5
^ Half the thread was deleted
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Post by ilirdardani on Dec 23, 2008 8:51:24 GMT -5
So why was my post deleted? (wow)
Ok here it goes again,
Great pics, and my question is did the army uniform change after the break up with Crna Gora or it stayed the same? (I don't see whats so offensive asking this questions admin, or whoever deleted it)
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 23, 2008 8:55:58 GMT -5
It wasnt deleted its on the first page now lol
And to answer your question i believe it has.
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Post by ilirdardani on Dec 23, 2008 9:17:29 GMT -5
It wasnt deleted its on the first page now lol And to answer your question i believe it has. lol But yeah I thats what I thought as well Skoric, from the look it seems it has changed a lot. (most of their uniforms)
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 24, 2008 0:28:50 GMT -5
"Great pics, and my question is did the army uniform change after the break up with Crna Gora or it stayed the same? (I don't see whats so offensive asking this questions admin, or whoever deleted it) " Yes it has, but the process is still ongoing. The old pattern from VJ is still in use, especially with draftees and reservists, a second pattern of camouflage was initially adopted including new field caps, and NCO's and Officers wear them, but VS has now decided to go with a digital pattern, there pics of it online, can't look now but i can post them later, but it is a new domestic pattern not NATO or Russian. In addition to the camouflage service BDU's the VS will also have its Honor Guard, Ceremonial and Dress uniforms completely redesigned as they are still the same worn by the JNA. Rumor has it on the ceremonial/dress side that they will do the same thing the Polish did in 92 and reinvent the 1930s uniform patterns, but im not sure. MiG and Marko, thank you for your honest inputs anytime dude!!
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Post by boscrocop on Dec 24, 2008 0:34:58 GMT -5
There was an article somewhere, about digi camo. Anyways it explained how it worked, and "showed" a photo of how ordinary camo, plain green, and digi camo were seen in the landscape. I have to admit, I don't get why more countries do not use digital camo uniforms. Is there any difference in costs?
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Post by MiG on Dec 24, 2008 0:39:38 GMT -5
^ Not really. Isn't it nice to be nice.
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Post by boscrocop on Dec 24, 2008 0:47:05 GMT -5
Not really what, the cost or how good they workd?
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 24, 2008 0:47:08 GMT -5
"There was an article somewhere, about digi camo. Anyways it explained how it worked, and "showed" a photo of how ordinary camo, plain green, and digi camo were seen in the landscape. I have to admit, I don't get why more countries do not use digital camo uniforms. Is there any difference in costs?"
Canada was the first country to develop the pattern, but it was originally influenced by the German Flecktarn pattern(just as effectiv) that came about in the early 90s. It's a different process to make digital cammo, it's not necessarily more expensive, like MIG said, but when you are introducing a new uniform pattern in the army it is something of a logistic feat. Uniforms have to be produced in quantities five or six time the actual number of troops. So it has to be a gradual process. And in most armies with smaller budgets and even larger armies, uniforms are not priority and keep getting pushed back on the "to do" list
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 24, 2008 0:47:38 GMT -5
Isn't it nice to be nice.we got a sweet deal there
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Post by ilirdardani on Dec 24, 2008 0:48:39 GMT -5
"Great pics, and my question is did the army uniform change after the break up with Crna Gora or it stayed the same? (I don't see whats so offensive asking this questions admin, or whoever deleted it) " Yes it has, but the process is still ongoing. The old pattern from VJ is still in use, especially with draftees and reservists, a second pattern of camouflage was initially adopted including new field caps, and NCO's and Officers wear them, but VS has now decided to go with a digital pattern, there pics of it online, can't look now but i can post them later, but it is a new domestic pattern not NATO or Russian. In addition to the camouflage service BDU's the VS will also have its Honor Guard, Ceremonial and Dress uniforms completely redesigned as they are still the same worn by the JNA. Rumor has it on the ceremonial/dress side that they will do the same thing the Polish did in 92 and reinvent the 1930s uniform patterns, but im not sure. MiG and Marko, thank you for your honest inputs anytime dude!! Thank you, that's what I was looking for.
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Post by boscrocop on Dec 24, 2008 0:49:14 GMT -5
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 24, 2008 1:32:29 GMT -5
Good link I always thought ARPAT was retarded, one design for three environments? It is so highly visible in vegetation its not even funny, just look at some of the pics from Iraq
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Post by MiG on Dec 24, 2008 4:19:54 GMT -5
"There was an article somewhere, about digi camo. Anyways it explained how it worked, and "showed" a photo of how ordinary camo, plain green, and digi camo were seen in the landscape. I have to admit, I don't get why more countries do not use digital camo uniforms. Is there any difference in costs?" Canada was the first country to develop the pattern, but it was originally influenced by the German Flecktarn pattern(just as effectiv) that came about in the early 90s. It's a different process to make digital cammo, it's not necessarily more expensive, like MIG said, but when you are introducing a new uniform pattern in the army it is something of a logistic feat. Uniforms have to be produced in quantities five or six time the actual number of troops. So it has to be a gradual process. And in most armies with smaller budgets and even larger armies, uniforms are not priority and keep getting pushed back on the "to do" list When you look at the history of War in the 20th Century, the German Wehrmacht got their uniforms in such patterns (If I'm not mistaken in 1940, first the elite units, than the rest), and were the first in history to recognize that simple mesh and camouflage patterns really helped in some cases. Ever since WW2, Armies across the world use the "Uniform to Terrain Pattern" outfits. BTW, good note on the Iraqi Greens camo. Looks very visible, and makes the soldiers great target practice for enemy snipers.
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 24, 2008 6:23:31 GMT -5
Yep! The first cammos were already developed at wars beginning in 1939, and were being ridiculed by the General staff as unprofessional and comical. There was never a official uniform pattern and a bunch of designs were used, mostly Waffen SS but some regular Heer units as well. But the German cammo patterns were light-years ahead of their time, the Russians and American both understood the advantage of it and copied it, but in very limited numbers, like some Russian shock troops and US marines in the pacific. Funny thing is, at the end of the war, both the US and the Soviets discarded cammo for the most part, and all regular forces went back to solid colors like olive green. Most west European countries adopted the US olive green uniforms. In Vietnam the US experimented with various patterns like the tiger stripe (also used by the French, it faded to fast ), but never adopted any of them. The Germans looked at their old WWII patterns when they came up with flecktarn, which offended a lot of people, but its a very good pattern.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Dec 24, 2008 7:41:57 GMT -5
MIG & Marko, u two seem to know alot about Army/weapons and stuff... Im impressed!!
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Post by MiG on Dec 24, 2008 16:27:44 GMT -5
Yep! The first cammos were already developed at wars beginning in 1939, and were being ridiculed by the General staff as unprofessional and comical. There was never a official uniform pattern and a bunch of designs were used, mostly Waffen SS but some regular Heer units as well. But the German cammo patterns were light-years ahead of their time, the Russians and American both understood the advantage of it and copied it, but in very limited numbers, like some Russian shock troops and US marines in the pacific. Funny thing is, at the end of the war, both the US and the Soviets discarded cammo for the most part, and all regular forces went back to solid colors like olive green. Most west European countries adopted the US olive green uniforms. In Vietnam the US experimented with various patterns like the tiger stripe (also used by the French, it faded to fast ), but never adopted any of them. The Germans looked at their old WWII patterns when they came up with flecktarn, which offended a lot of people, but its a very good pattern. Yeah, and it just so happens that only special forces (Spetznaz, SEAL, SAS, ASASR etc etc. used them after 1960's), while regular armies, and even Shock Regiments (Soviet) and Marines (American) had solid colors. It would only make sense that since the Germans had the right idea, that they would copy it like everything else. BTW, on the note of the German High Command finding it comical, the Wehrmacht finally noticed how useful it was in 1941 months into Operation Barbarossa. Can't remember who wanted more uniforms for regular armies like that (Maybe Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel, can't remember), but they didn't get it until April 1944, well into the Wehrmacht's retreating stages on the eastern front. MIG & Marko, u two seem to know alot about Army/weapons and stuff... Im impressed!! Jebiga bro. Happens when you read a lot of History and Military History .
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 23, 2009 19:20:03 GMT -5
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Post by MiG on Feb 24, 2009 0:14:06 GMT -5
^ Great pictures Skoric. Keep 'em coming. ^ Why are you guys bashing on Serbian Air Forces. In the very region, they are one of the only 2 nations that has the ability to produce domestic jets. I don't see Albania even owning MiG-21's, let alone MiG-29's. You should STFU while you're ahead, and not let the jealousy in your head seep through your face. Do you even know what a Jet is kiddo? Sportplanes dont count as Jets. And those MIG are from Yugo time, its not they bought it later, they took them when Yugo collapsed, go make some homework kiddo. Your making Croats look stupid. Secondly, Im from Kosova not Albania but who cares same country. O SNAP!! Dude I didn't even notice this until now Pendejo.. erm, Pejoni.. Sorry. HAHA! Damn, I'm glancing through the pics, and there I see this.. You are an awesome and intelligent young man, at least you'd like to think so. BUT in all fairness, I'll give you a point JUST for trying. Anywho, to answer your question, pendejo, here is how we start; Yes, I know what a "jet" is. Kiddo? Who're you calling Kiddo. Dude, for all you know, I could be your pops. But for the sake of being realistic, my child would never be as stupid as your dumbass. Jet; 1 /dʒɛt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [jet] Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, jet⋅ted, jet⋅ting, adjective –noun 1. a stream of a liquid, gas, or small solid particles forcefully shooting forth from a nozzle, orifice, etc. 2. something that issues in such a stream, as water or gas. 3. a spout or nozzle for emitting liquid or gas: a gas jet. 4. jet plane. 5. jet engine. –verb (used without object) 6. to travel by jet plane: to jet to Las Vegas for the weekend. 7. to move or travel by means of jet propulsion: The octopus jetted away from danger. 8. to be shot forth in a stream. 9. to move or travel rapidly: The star halfback jetted toward the goal line. –verb (used with object) 10. to transport by jet plane: The nonstop service from New York will jet you to Tokyo in 13 hours. 11. to shoot (something) forth in a stream; spout. 12. to place (a pile or the like) by eroding the ground beneath it with a jet of water or of water and compressed air. –adjective 13. of, pertaining to, or associated with a jet, jet engine, or jet plane: jet pilot; jet exhaust. 14. in the form of or producing a jet or jet propulsion: jet nozzle. 15. by means of a jet airplane: a jet trip; jet transportation. Source: dictionary.reference.com/browse/JetNeed more...? See a jet is a wide range of things used to describe one to about 30 different components on any given Aircraft... Ya get it? Or do you need me to break this down into a 50 page essay with stick figure drawings so someone as simple as your arrogant šiptar ass can understand? (No offense to any other Albs here, just getting a piece of Pendejo...) "Shortplanes" don't count as jets? Hell, I haven't seen a single "Shortplane" (Which isn't even a word by the way). Every single aircraft displayed here is Jet-Propelled. Jet, not propeller. You know the difference? Let me give you direction, so as to not wonder all over the internet trying to get a freakin' clue. Jet: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_aircraftPropeller: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PropellerGettin' it yet? You understand yet? Or maybe its your nature to be an ignorant f**k and dismiss anything your simple and feeble brain cannot understand? Moving on... Those MiG's are from Yugo times.. Duhh really? s**t, even if they were from Pre-WW2 Yugoslavia, it would still be better than the s**t Albania has, let alone "Independent Republic of Kosova". They took them when Yugoslavia Collapsed? Really? Wow, you're like the damn Kosovar wikipedia, but just like everything in Kosovo, you're a century behind; Even when it comes to information. "Go make some homework"? What in the hell is that supposed to mean dude? Are you serious? ROFL! And if I was making the Croats look stupid, maybe I'd be ridiculed by everyone, kind of like you are, constantly. Right? Because you're so smart? Right "kiddo"? You maybe be from Kosovo, and may be an Albanian, but your pride sure as hell cannot compete with the Serbian Air Force, and its fleet of Fighters/Interceptors, ya dunce. BTW, don't insult my intelligence, when CLEARLY in a matter like this, your brain cannot compete with one single solitary cell from mine. f*g. No offense to any Albanian members, but this douchebag pissed me off with his ignorance.
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 24, 2009 0:39:46 GMT -5
MiG you should go make some homework, seriously.. LOL
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