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Post by libofshe on Jan 7, 2009 6:47:47 GMT -5
touche, touche.
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Post by highduke on Jan 7, 2009 8:48:36 GMT -5
No it takes a great people misguidedly degenerated by 50 years of Cold War politics & 20 years of Consumerist Democracy. When all Greeks rise to the level of the forum Greeks, which is slowly happening, Greece will once again become the epicenter of greatness, as Russia resurects the Megali Idea & W. Turkey, Cyprus & S. Albania reunite with the Hellenic Motherland.
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Post by greek1234 on Jan 9, 2009 6:20:32 GMT -5
"Greece will once again become the epicenter of greatness, as Russia resurects the Megali Idea & W. Turkey, Cyprus & S. Albania reunite with the Hellenic Motherland."
I like the sound of that. ^
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Post by libofshe on Jan 9, 2009 6:58:15 GMT -5
I am from south albania....and that sounds like a terrible idea
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 9, 2009 8:44:35 GMT -5
Albquitman "I don't understand all this passion about Russia, especially from Greeks, when history tells us that if it wasn't for Americans and British, Greece would had been today just another country in the east block. Maybe is the religion, or just because some of you simply hate America and whoever is the next super-power, just be on her side, even if it was Ottoman Empire." --------------------------------------------------- First of all its not a passion. Its logic. We need 2-3 or even 4 super power so as equilubrium to exist. Look what happened when USSR collapsed; Americans started 100 wars all around globe for their interests. When USSR was big... a piece and a second thought existed. One and only super power is... bad. "My understanding is that Greece is making a wrong choice by siding with Russia. " -------------------------------------------- You're wrong. Not only Greece.. but the old Europe starts siding with Russia. France is the leader in energy sector. Europeans have start to understand that Russia is next to us... and USA is far away. Its better to have good relationships with a neighbor than with a guy for a different neighborhood. Russia is Europe.. and US is not. Simple. Our future.. like or not.. its inside Europe. We gonna live here.. we gonna die here.. so.. we protect our neighborhood. Thats it. Also... Russia has not bombed any European country and Russia has not "forced" Europe to accept Russian military bases. They seem to respect us more than Yankees. "Not all empires bring prosperity in the countries that are under their umbrella. Another example is the Roman Empire and the Ottoman Empire. Wherever Romans went, they brought prosperity and development, but that wasn't the case for the Ottoman Empire...we Balkanians know that well." -------------------------------------------------------- Who said we gonna be under their umbrella? Our dream is not Russia to be the substitute of US! Russia will be EU's partner. Not EU's conqeror like US is today. "I know that you might say that Russia is not red anymore. That's true, but I don't think that the super-power mentality of Russia has changed. We're talking about a super-power with almost zero ethnic and cultural diversity, with a homogeneous population that can't swallow easily the other cultures...and that tells us a lot, tells us that the tolerance for the others will be almost zero...I don't think anyone will like that, even the ones with the same religion as Russians." ---------------------------------------------------- Maybe you're right... but US is the moral substitute? . Come on.. "America's history has some gray and black spots, but comparing to Russia is a much better choice if you can't live without being affiliated with a super-power..." ---------------------------------------------- I care less for both. I want a country to trade and have peacefull relations. US is not that country as it is prooven. They are into Europe's political life to much. Russia on the other hand.. its not. So.. there are more possibilities for my dream with Russia than Pax Americana right now.
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Jan 9, 2009 11:42:59 GMT -5
I am from south albania....and that sounds like a terrible idea lol me too, and hey we're both Orthodox and as they can see we hate the idea
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Post by albquietman on Jan 9, 2009 22:58:22 GMT -5
Basil
I have to agree with you on that, should be an equilibrium when it comes to superpowers, but that doesn't have to do at all what Greece is doing by siding with Russians. On the other other hand, wars, even when USSR was a superpower never stopped. Just go back in time and you'll see Korean war, Vietnam war, Cambodians killing each-other and other wars that are directly connected to these superpowers and their policies to create their influence zones on the planet.
Of course Russia is next to you, or at least closer geographically, but in the world of today, the geographical distances do not have the same importance like in old times, and that's because of technology, and our small sized planet. Having good relationships with the guy next door doesn't spell always good relationship, and Europe, and especially Balkans have proven that and is still proving it. Russia may have not bombed Europe yet (I'm not sure if America did, and I wish you were more specific on that), but I don't know if you have read the news about the gas dispute between Russia and Ukraine...it is Russia that did cut off the gas and left millions without heat in the middle of the winter in some European countries, and yes, they are her neighbors...I don't think that a good neighbor should do that.
USA is in Europe's political too much for reasons that we all know. USA didn't tell Europe to start two world wars so far and destroy herself. It was Europe that dragged USA in her business, more specific the British. We all know that after the WW2 Europe was almost destroyed. It was USA that helped Europe to get on her feet again, and of course, nothing is free. But I wonder where did you get that impression that only thing that Russia wants is to help Europe with no conditions at all. Superpowers do not know anything about unconditional love. They are in that business to make the other do whatever they say, no wonder they get that word "super" before the word "power". But talking about Russia and her unconditional love with the others, I don't think that ex-socialist countries are suffering from nostalgia since the time that they broke-up with Russia...Russia maybe, but not them...
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 10, 2009 2:33:38 GMT -5
LOL. Then we will all live in a nice happy and free world where all get along. Palestinians will be housed by Jews and Jews will marry Palestinians. Suddenly global warming will seem to lower while gas price worry becomes obsolete as humans found a way to run their cars on hot air. Equality will be for all and no one will be poor. All our social ails will disappear and our lives will suddenly become longer, safer and cleaner. All disease will be destroyed and a cure for cancer will be unnecessary since all humans will become immune to it.
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 10, 2009 8:23:34 GMT -5
Guys you have to understand how things work. Czechs, Polish, Oukranians and Georgians are friends and allies of US. They have agreed to host American missiles despite EU's advices to keep neutral as the rest of EU on this missile crisis. They're bordering with Russia. Now, if ever war starts between Russia and US.... the FIRST bombs on this war will be from Russia to these countries on the borders. First Russia will secure the borders. I'm not gonna say who is gonna win and who is gonna loose. The only sure is that Poland, Czech, Oukraine adn Gergia will go back to the stone age the first day of war. America may survive.. America may win... but these countries will elliminated. Now... if I was a Polish or one person of this countries... what would I think to be more of my interest? To gain today some thousand of dollars (and we agree we need them) ... and in 5-10 years to need 1000 more dollars than the ones I gained today to reconstruct my country if it is any left from it? ....... or to be neutral to the Russia-US dispute, stick to EU and strengthen it and take less money of it today, and start cooperate with Russia? Things are simple; a) US was "helping" Vietnam anti-red gvnmt and people against North Vietnamese. When war started and US lost and fled away... these Vietnamese anti-red people were the ones who paid the price. Not US.. the Vietnamese ones! b) US was helping Georgians in Ossetia issues to cope with Russians. Georgians believed that with the military aid they took they will invade Ossetia and will kick out the Russians. We all know what happened... Question: where were the Americans when Russians were kicking the butts of Georgians in the counter attack? Are they helping now the rebuild of Georgia? c) US was pushing the "Orange (anti-Russian) revolution" in Oukraine. They have succeed in making Oukraine allies and enemies with Russians. Now... that Oukraine is freezing to death due to the cut of gas from Russians.... what Americans are doing to help Oukraine? You know nothing about US! We know them. We have seen how they thing and how they act. They dont have likes and dislikes. They just follow their interests around the world, they "divide and rule" areas so as to be there as referees and they dont care for the consequnces when they are not into these consequnces. Yes.. US has plans for Polland, Oukraine, Czech, Georgia, Kossovo, Fyrom etc etc. and helps economically these countries today... but if something goes wrong.... Pollish, Oukraines, Czechs, Georgians, Kossovars and Fyromians will be the vicitims; Not the US citizens. So.. if you are asking me why Russia... my answer is.. I dont want to be the first victim in the search of interests of Americans. They search for gold.. let them be the gold dickers. I will not play that role for them and for sure.. I prefer to die for Europe than to die for US search for cold. I dont say that Russians are the good boys... but for sure... today at least.. they cannot use me. Americans can.. and these are the ones that I should resist. If someday... and I say IF because it is very hypothetical.. Russia takes the role of US... then Russia will be my target. For the time being, in a Europe of France, Germany, Spain, Italy etc etc... Russia cannot play that role. So... go neighborhood go! PS. Remember what happened when Albanians were the dickers for the gold of Nazis and Ottomans... Who payed the price more? Albanians became the number one target in their neighborhood. Was this a smart move?
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