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Post by pagane on Mar 24, 2008 6:32:26 GMT -5
No need of that. We can speak as civilized people.
Bulgaria is a Bulgarian state, we speak Slavic but with some distinguishable features form the rest of the Slavic languages and we have lots of Thracian and Bulgar habits that have remained, although slightly modifies through Orthodox religion. And yes, we were subjected to pan-slavic propaganda, throughout the whole period from our liberation movement to recent years. We were told that we were nothing but Slavs, that all those people who established our state have melted in the Slavic sea without a trace and similar nonsenses. As if they have all evaporated in the air.
I am not ashamed of my Slavic blood, I just want fair recognition to the rest of the peoples who have formed us.
And Novi, Pan-Slavism is a Russian imperial politics that served their interests, just a tool to implement their goals. Do not make this mistake to consider Russians so much Slavs, because they are not.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 24, 2008 18:33:10 GMT -5
"No need of that. We can speak as civilized people."
I absolutely agree.
"Bulgaria is a Bulgarian state, we speak Slavic but with some distinguishable features form the rest of the Slavic languages and we have lots of Thracian and Bulgar habits that have remained, although slightly modifies through Orthodox religion."
I believe so, but the dominate habit is the slavic one....same can be said about the slavs of former illyrian regions too. Greek traditions are also blended into the south slav culture as well.
"And yes, we were subjected to pan-slavic propaganda, throughout the whole period from our liberation movement to recent years. We were told that we were nothing but Slavs, that all those people who established our state have melted in the Slavic sea without a trace and similar nonsenses. As if they have all evaporated in the air."
Well if you have one bulgar and one thracian + 10 slavs what will be the dominate trait at the end of the day. Don't get me wrong, others have helped create what is bulgaria today but the slavs are the dominate factor in all of this.
"I am not ashamed of my Slavic blood, I just want fair recognition to the rest of the peoples who have formed us."
Fair enough, but l'm worried that too much will be highlighted on the contributions of thracians or bulgars than the slavs.
"And Novi, Pan-Slavism is a Russian imperial politics that served their interests, just a tool to implement their goals. Do not make this mistake to consider Russians so much Slavs, because they are not."
This weakness is what the Germanics want to play. I agree there is some interest in all of this, but do you think the Germanics will protect u when the crap hits the fan
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Post by pagane on Mar 25, 2008 4:19:50 GMT -5
"I believe so, but the dominate habit is the slavic one....same can be said about the slavs of former illyrian regions too. "
I am not so sure because it is not really known what the precise Slavic habits were. Now it is all blended through the language but is it one and the same thing?
"Well if you have one bulgar and one thracian + 10 slavs what will be the dominate trait at the end of the day."
This is true if your equation is correct. But the latest researches show that the number of Bulgars was above 300 000. It was not a small number for those days.
"Fair enough, but l'm worried that too much will be highlighted on the contributions of thracians or bulgars than the slavs."
As a matter of fact, the contributions of the Slavs are still not well known. None of our rulers was a Slav and no significant noble has been recorded of being of Slav origin.
"I agree there is some interest in all of this, but do you think the Germanics will protect u when the crap hits the fan"
I don't think Russians will protect us either. Actually, I do hope there will be no need of protection.
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Post by iskender on Apr 1, 2008 17:41:06 GMT -5
We be called Rumelia if Bolghars give to us and East Rumelia.To be complet
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Post by ioan on Apr 1, 2008 23:39:16 GMT -5
Why dont u merge with the whole of Bulgaria so that the historic justice to be done?
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