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Post by kapetan on Dec 22, 2008 2:29:46 GMT -5
From modern day OSBiH and ARBiH, to WWII, WWI and before, let us celebrate the Bosnian-Herzegovinian/Bosniak soldier. It will be a thread with all these pics in one place. Plz no bulls**t, mods plz delete any posts from idiots attempting to wreck the thread. People DO NOT get into some idiotic argument. Either post pics or comment on pics in a normal fashion. I'll start with WWI and WWII. WORLD WAR I.The Bosnian-Hercegovian Infantry Regiment No.2 was the one,
which received the greatest number of Golden Bravery Medals in
the entire Austro-Hungarian Empire. They earned 42, the other
Bosnian regiments each an avarege of 20, while most others
earned 8 to 12.
On almost all fronts, the Bosniacs proved their bravery, in
particular at the Southern Front against Serbia and the
unfaithful Italy, which left the Triple Alliance and joined the
Western allies in 1915. The war in the mountains with its twelve
battles on the Isonzo River was one of the bloodiest and
heaviest of the whole World War.  Monument in Slovenia.                                 WORLD WAR IISS Handzar - Himmler was inspired by the success of Bosnian infantry regiments in WWI.
Georges Lepre wrote that "Himmler endeavoured to restore what he called 'an old Austrian' tradition by reviving the Bosnian regiments of the former Austro-Hungarian army in the form of a Bosnian Muslim SS Division. Once raised, this division was to engage and destroy Tito's Partisan forces.                                                    Bik i Dek.  |
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Post by kapetan on Dec 22, 2008 3:14:51 GMT -5
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Post by boscrocop on Dec 22, 2008 3:48:14 GMT -5
Does this forum have the "spoiler" function, that would help out a lot on all the photo threads, anyways, this site has VFBiH info on it, how much they took into the OSBiH I do not know. But this is one of the best sites so far. www.sig.cjb.net/I must say that I filled with sadness looking at the state of our armed forces, seen as, well they are not enough to defend our selfs.   But our airlift by helicopter capability is rather decent for the region, with 19 transport helicopters and 1 trainer. But I am not so sure as to how many of them are in flying condition. |
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Post by kapetan on Dec 22, 2008 4:06:07 GMT -5
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 22, 2008 4:12:24 GMT -5
19 is a decent number for a small force as long as all can be kept operational and some are heavy lifters. Because of Bosnia’s terrain Helicopters should be a priority for future procurement. I would in fact disband Tank formations, get rid of MBT's completely, instead invest in a good IVF or APC with a good AT Missile system, which is cheaper then a bulky MBT and more versatile, and with the money saved invest more into helicopters. Analysis of the war in the 90s showed that MBT's were almost never used in their intended role as armored spearheads, breaking enemy lines, pincer maneuvers and engaging enemy tanks, instead they were mostly used as infantry support vehicles deployed in piecemeal fashion or as mobile point artillery, all things which are better suited for SPA's and IVF's.
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Post by boscrocop on Dec 22, 2008 4:20:03 GMT -5
19 is a decent number for a small force as long as all can be kept operational and some are heavy lifters. Because of Bosnia’s terrain Helicopters should be a priority for future procurement. I would in fact disband Tank formations, get rid of MBT's completely, instead invest in a good IVF or APC with a good AT Missile system, which is cheaper then a bulky MBT and more versatile, and with the money saved invest more into helicopters. Analysis of the war in the 90s showed that MBT's were almost never used in their intended role as armored spearheads, breaking enemy lines, pincer maneuvers and engaging enemy tanks, instead they were mostly used as infantry support vehicles deployed in piecemeal fashion or as mobile point artillery, all things which are better suited for SPA's and IVF's. Well, there are few places in BiH that are suited for classical tank operations, but I would never get rid of the MBT formations. A country of Bosnia's size should have up to date MBT and given the terrain, lots and lots of IFV, okey, what I am posting now does not have anything to do with realism, seen as the founding for the army school and health system etc is a joke. Other then that, well, the closest we come to a heavy lifter is the Mi-8, but we have few of those. I doubt most of them are operational. Anyways, something that i find sad is that Bosnia does not have fixed wing aircraft, only rotary. |
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 22, 2008 5:04:20 GMT -5
^ Yes but in most cases the terrain is not that well suited for MBT's and an IVF with an AT missile launcher can take out a MBT just as well as another MBT. The US M1 and the Leopards are very heavy, I think 15 tons heavier then say the M-84, not practical when for example a Swedish Stridsfordon 90 IFV has only a third of the tonnage of a M1 Abrams, and can be fitted with a tank turret, missile launchers, still maintains troop transport capability, costs more or less half per unit as a M1 and less expensive on fuel consumption and maintenance. Yes it lacks in armor compared to a full MBT, but most modern MBT could not survive a direct hit from a current generation first strike AT missile hit anyhow. Iraq is not a good example since old RPG systems were used primarily, but in the recent Lebanon war, the Hezbollah was using the latest Russian AT missile systems, and they showed themselves to be very effective in taking out Israeli Merekva tanks, which are some of the best in the world. So IFVs more cost effective, lighter, versatile (especially the new generation modular types), can engage Tanks at long range and carry their own troops.
As far as fixed wing aircraft goes, I’m not sure I see the benefit of having a small air force of fighters and ground attack craft in such a confined space as Bosnia, especially considering the cost associated with Jet fighters, fuel consumption, high engine maintenance and wear. Better of with a good sized squadron of Gunship’s like the Apache Long Bow or the Russian Havoc, or even the ugly Tiger, or the good old Hind.
I wonder how serious NATO is in helping the Bosnian army reach nato standard. In all the years since Dayton, the state of army isn’t exactly good, it's hardware is hopelessly outdated, and then Infantry receives that god awful M16A1 as a "improvement" while the Tankers are stuck with a jigsaw puzzle of different types, M60, AMX-30 and the M-84
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Post by bosanskinovi on Dec 22, 2008 8:36:28 GMT -5
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Post by srbobran on Dec 22, 2008 11:11:21 GMT -5
Whose Hadzi Lojo?
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Post by bihvojska on Dec 22, 2008 11:46:10 GMT -5
i believe this could be one of the best post yet so far, but anyway all those men and women who fought for the freedom of BIH and its people are to be thanked very much for risking there lives for others. Yea we arent the best army and we dont got the biggest and yea we are little outdated due to bad finance and blah blah, but were getting there every year we get better armor and better stuff over all. I would agree with the heli thing tho we do need alot of them since our terrain is such a bitc h, they can move fast, they have power to scare the others and they can transport troops pretty quick. NEK SE RADI NEK SE GRADI <<<OSBIH>>>>
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Post by kapetan on Dec 24, 2008 13:43:47 GMT -5
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Post by kapetan on Dec 24, 2008 14:26:42 GMT -5
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Post by Boško Buha on Dec 24, 2008 14:50:05 GMT -5
Kapetan thanks for posting these pictures. All I have to say is the Handzar division is scary  . Was Husko a convert to islam? |
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Post by kapetan on Dec 24, 2008 14:51:28 GMT -5
No he wasn't. I know, his last name is odd lol. But on rare ocasions certain last names can be found amongst all 3 groups. Not all Bosniak names were changed. Like alot of Herzegovinian Bosniak names have no arabic sounding words in them or anything like that but still only Bosniaks have them. If Huska WAS a convert himself then it would be more likely that his name woulda been changed to something else probly.
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Post by kapetan on Dec 24, 2008 15:11:12 GMT -5
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Post by Boško Buha on Dec 24, 2008 15:34:28 GMT -5
No he wasn't. I know, his last name is odd lol. But on rare ocasions certain last names can be found amongst all 3 groups. Not all Bosniak names were changed. Like alot of Herzegovinian Bosniak names have no arabic sounding words in them or anything like that but still only Bosniaks have them. If Huska WAS a convert himself then it would be more likely that his name woulda been changed to something else probly. I can relate. |
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Post by kapetan on Feb 22, 2009 21:27:36 GMT -5
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Post by kapetan on Feb 22, 2009 21:35:08 GMT -5
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Post by tito on Feb 22, 2009 22:11:37 GMT -5
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Post by kapetan on Feb 22, 2009 22:42:58 GMT -5
World War I World War II World War II (Partizans) This is interesting too might as well put it up. Bosnians (of all kinds) seem to always be the bravest!  National Heroes of Yugoslavia  A total of 1,307 Order of the National Hero awards were awarded in Yugoslavia by 1957. By place of birth (not ethnicity)SR Croatia - 282 SR Bosnia and Herzegovina - 284 SR Serbia - 256 SR Montenegro - 247 SR Slovenia - 156 SR Macedonia - 63 |
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